Is GAF too strict?

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Haha, at first I thought worldrevolution was just mimicking Blackace. Then I checked post history and realize you both always do the super annoying dot thingy.

Mods should have proper punctuation, IMO :|

I type like I'd talk.. commas and elipses where I'd insert a pause for emphasis or flow smoothly from one idea to another. It's pretty baller. I also like to put shit in quotation marks like I'm doin air quotes. Also gangsta.

Blackace and I have more in common as well. Some how after browsing gaf for years I only just found out like last week that he had been living in Japan about as long as me, married as well. I'll admit though I never gave much attention to J-gaf.
 
Not that I'm at all salty (seriously, I'm just curious), but is this what you'd consider one of those contexts? Keep in mind, 10 minutes later (almost 50 posts, mind) was when I realised and figured context along with it being in a quick-moving thread would've been taken into account.

Again, not out for blood, but I hardly think such usage warrants two weeks in the slammer.

Yes, that is one of those contexts.

And I agree that two weeks would be harsh for that - and you were only banned for 10 days.

It's not that I expect brevity, but..c'mon now.. Charlequin, Opiate, Stump.. these guys type some wordy posts. Though Tekno quoting posts by actually putting them in quotations definitely trumps all for "wtfness".

Well as long as I am innocent!

You mean... ellipses?

Blackace usually has two periods, though. It feels so incomplete!
 
We know it is not the same in the UK/Europe in general. As was explained when the issue was first brought to Footie-GAF's attention, "NeoGAF is an international forum, populated by people from many countries. To maintain a reasonable environment for all our users, that means words that are inappropriate in one English-speaking area are inappropriate across the board on GAF. Usage in England doesn't matter because the meaning of "cunt" in the US/Canada is enough on its own to ban it for everyone."

There is no reason to allow carte blanche on "cunt" as an insult, any more than we would allow posters to use fag / faggot / gay as insults, though those things are all nigh ubiquitous - and not necessarily particularly offensive among those who use it - among adolescent Americans.



You are referring to either ProdicalFlame in the Euro 2012 thread, or possibly Musha_Soturi in the UK-GAF Community thread, and in both cases the objection was not something I had said. ProdicalFlame said that she was insulted by the presumption that she was offended by the word; Musha similarly said at some point that I had been attempting to speak for them.

I had not. As I explained in the topic, I did not argue that any particular individual woman would take offense; I argued that it was an implicit insult. This is true, whether or not one takes offense at that implicit insult or not.

You ain't innocent. Look at this monstrosity.

Also three periods was deemed to mean "speechless" back in the AOL days. No one would use three periods in an online convo as ellipses lol..


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Yes, that is one of those contexts.

And I agree that two weeks would be harsh for that - and you were only banned for 10 days.

Can I ask why that'd be considered one of those contexts?

I respect GAF's rules, but it'd be nice to have it cleared up fully.

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"There is no reason to allow carte blanche on "cunt" as an insult, any more than we would allow posters to use fag / faggot / gay as insults, though those things are all nigh ubiquitous - and not necessarily particularly offensive among those who use it - among adolescent Americans."

Nevermind, just saw this in a quoted post above.
 
Oblivion said:
Since we're on the subject, can someone update me on the rules regarding posting of hot wimmenz?

Guys, for the third time, this is an honest question. >:(
 
Yes, that is one of those contexts.

And I agree that two weeks would be harsh for that - and you were only banned for 10 days.
Well, it's still 10 days. But (and not wanting to backseat mod here) a 24hr ban would likely have the same impact (unless the poster is a complete tool), allowed the person banned to edit it if necessary and the lesson would be learned.

It's been done and obviously I wouldn't dream of doing it again... but it just seemed like overkill that got more people offside (not just myself) than was actually necessary.
 
Well, it's still 10 days. But (and not wanting to backseat mod here) a 24hr ban would likely have the same impact (unless the poster is a complete tool), allowed the person banned to edit it if necessary and the lesson would be learned.

It's been done and obviously I wouldn't dream of doing it again... but it just seemed like overkill that got more people offside (not just myself) than was actually necessary.

Not really, 24 hours is just one day of not posting, 10 days really makes you think about what you posted. Getting banned for a month or longer is even worse.
 
Guys, for the third time, this is an honest question. >:(

The rules are contextual. I take a Potter Stewart approach to the issue of when someone is inappropriate and discuss with other moderators.

Well, it's still 10 days. But (and not wanting to backseat mod here) a 24hr ban would likely have the same impact (unless the poster is a complete tool), allowed the person banned to edit it if necessary and the lesson would be learned.

It's been done and obviously I wouldn't dream of doing it again... but it just seemed like overkill that got more people offside (not just myself) than was actually necessary.

To be honest, these days a week is a pretty standard "short" ban. Bans that are shorter than that either tend to have some extenuating circumstance or are exceedingly mild offenses.
 
Not really, 24 hours is just one day of not posting, 10 days really makes you think about what you posted. Getting banned for a month or longer is even worse.
But what other point needs to be gotten across other than "that word you used is banned, don't use it again?". The way I see it, a warning or a 24-hour thing should be enough to get the point across that it's not accepted around here (which I totally have no problem with, don't get me wrong). After that, obviously severity should escalate.

But if all frowned-upon behaviour like that was carried over to real life, people would lose their license for travelling 10kph over the speed limit. In those cases, a fine is enough to make people think about their actions, but not enough to remove people's privilege for an unwarranted amount of time.

Anyway, I'm liking that this discussion is going on. While I obviously don't agree with some things, I'm glad that mods are actively discussing this and not just taking a "what we say, goes"-type attitude.

PS. FWIW, I have no problem with "the c-word" being banned here. I can completely understand why, but just as some cultures deem it highly offensive, there should be some understanding that other cultures may not have even thought possible the level of offence that is actually taken with it.
 
I wanted to respond to TToB's comment about snarky ban messages. By and large we've gotten better at using descriptive messages instead of snippy ones. You'll have to take me at my word, unfortunately, but we really have. Circa 2005-2007 or so most ban messages were pretty insulting and self-congratulatory. These days, largely stoic and informational.

I make sure to include past ban history and rule references when I can.

Thanks man.

That last ban irked me because a greenhorn got railroaded by fools putting words in my mouth, which really ground my gears.

Yeah, some days I articulate myself for shit, and that's not free license for you to infer some other meaning that I never typed, or meant to imply.

Another post type that irks the crap out of me is narcissistic crap like this in obituary threads. Read as, "I have nothing to contribute, but am pressing Post Reply anyhow!"

You're on the internet you human turd! If you don't know who is being discussed, click on your search engine widget before you press Post Reply.

Would you walk into a funeral home and blurt out, "Who was this guy? Oh, I don't know him." and then continue on your way to Burger King? :|

Youth ain't the only thing wasted on the young. The Internet, and the tracts of knowledge available therein is wasted on them too. >:|
 
Haha, at first I thought worldrevolution was just mimicking Blackace. Then I checked post history and realize you both always do the super annoying dot thingy.

Mods should have proper punctuation, IMO :|
Full Stop...
 
I type like I'd talk.. commas and elipses where I'd insert a pause for emphasis or flow smoothly from one idea to another. It's pretty baller. I also like to put shit in quotation marks like I'm doin air quotes. Also gangsta.

Blackace and I have more in common as well. Some how after browsing gaf for years I only just found out like last week that he had been living in Japan about as long as me, married as well. I'll admit though I never gave much attention to J-gaf.

That's pretty much it

Oddly enough I write, and when do write I am for the most part grammatical correct.

But when I am talking...

Funny that my habits had somehow became a topic in is too strict but whatever


Yeah remember seeing that we should get out for beers sometime
 
Yeah remember seeing that we should get out for beers sometime

No can do! Packed up the fam and came back to the states this May, first time back in seven years. Why I came to OT..to reeducate myself on western life. It's been interesting.
 
Well editors help..

But is it relative to GAF being strict or not if I write perfectly when posting? Don't be a troll

GAF being strict is about standards right? This thread went many places, including the usage of words. I don't think a note about punctuation and grammar is that out of place in a thread about being strict, it's just another standard.

Since I was the one who brought this up, you basically indirectly called me a troll.

I'm not sorry for bringing this up, because proper and improper writing influences how your posts comes across. As an example, here's a funny quote from bash.org:
#14207 +(10174)- [X]

<h|tler> HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU TELL THAT I'M 13 BY LOOKING AT WHAT I'M WRITEING?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

There are times mods are just people and there are times mods put out well thought out posts. In case of the latter, it would help yourself but also others who read it a lot when you don't write like it's a chatterbox.

That's my opinion on the matter. I don't see how this is trolling.
 
GAF being strict is about standards right? This thread went many places, including the usage of words. I don't think a note about punctuation and grammar is that out of place in a thread about being strict, it's just another standard.

Since I was the one who brought this up, you basically indirectly called me a troll.

I'm not sorry for bringing this up, because proper and improper writing influences how your posts comes across. As an example, here's a funny quote from bash.org:


There are times mods are just people and there are times mods put out well thought out posts. In case of the latter, it would help yourself but also others who read it a lot when you don't write like it's a chatterbox.

That's my opinion on the matter. I don't see how this is trolling.

The standards are in place to create a safe posting environment and in no way does my forum posting habits impact that at all... suggesting that it reads or looks anything like your example or does make an unsafe posting environment is definitely troll material
 
The standards are in place to create a safe posting environment and in no way does my forum posting habits impact that at all... suggesting that it reads or looks anything like your example or does make an unsafe posting environment is definitely troll material
Bolded: except that's not what I did. I merely compared an improper writing style to possibly being perceived as a non-serious post by the receiving party. I also stated that it was my opinion that I value good grammar and punctuation. Just because my opinion doesn't compliment your behavior doesn't mean you should label me as a troll. It's not an ill-meant suggestion.


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I honestly don't see why you're still going on about it. It's tangential to the thread at best.
Well, since I don't want to make yet another post for something so silly, I'll just edit this in here. My initial post was a simple yet fun observation of another poster who posts like Blackace. Then I was labeled a troll (and directly referring to me, but indirectly by not quoting me mind you), which I didn't appreciate. So I clarified, stood by my opinion and defended myself, now I'm suddenly a bad guy. I didn't make a big deal out of it, I made a big deal out of calling me a troll. I don't throw insults like that to people who correct me on my grammar or spelling mistakes, why do I get that treatment?

I'm completely fine dropping something so nonsensical, but as far as I know, trolling is not allowed and bannable. If I said something bannable, then I am completely baffled.

Which in the end is kinda funny, suddenly this 'drama' is putting me in the mindset "Huh? Is GAF too strict?".
 
Bolded: except that's not what I did. I merely compared an improper writing style to possibly being perceived as a non-serious post by the receiving party. I also stated that it was my opinion that I value good grammar and punctuation. Just because my opinion doesn't compliment your behavior doesn't mean you should label me as a troll. It's not an ill-meant suggestion.
Never had an issue stressing the seriousness of my posts before nor an issue with moderating

Also no one asked for compliments, so that makes little sense

So if have a point relevant to the issue at hand I suggest you make it


I honestly don't see why you're still going on about it. It's tangential to the thread at best.

It has nothing to do with the thread
 
I don't think GAF is too strict but it feels somewhat arbitrary.

I guess this is inevitable considering the mods are human.

But my main gripe would be that some posters seems to get away with constantly being rude and demeaning to others without consequences - probably because their views are reasonably closely aligned with several of the mods.
 
Never had an issue stressing the seriousness of my posts before nor an issue with moderating

Also no one asked for compliments, so that makes little sense

So if have a point relevant to the issue at hand I suggest you make it




It has nothing to do with the thread

sometimes i try to sound more like blamespace by typing everthing wrong


teehee

Kinda. I know that if people tried to be as offended as they seem to be on Gaf where I work they'd probably laughed out of the job or worse.

This is something I say often in relation to the mentality of pretty much anywhere on the internet that's not 4chan:

Everyone is offended.

Everyone is a victim.

Here on the webernet intertubes, it's pretty much impossible to really know a person. Reality will always be stretched to suit the needs of the wanting to maintain a semblance of balance and safety. That's one step away from no rules and there can't be an intermediate.
 
I thought about this question for a couple of months now and event's over the last couple of weeks I've witnessed and even something that's happened to me recently has led me to ask it here even if I haven't got the tact to properly phrase it. Ad to be clear, it's not angled at any specific member.

Is it just me or are there people on GAF who try and get others banned by "playing up" being offended when civilized discourse could easily clear up any discord? I'm not talking about racism, classism, sexism, homophobia or other real cut-and-dry sort of things but rather simply poorly phrased remarks and things of that nature leading the general group to dog-pile after a stink is raised until the matter is out of control.

Do mods take these kinds of situation into consideration or is part of the punishment handed out based on the general reaction by the community. I don't believe we post in bubbles but at the same time, a small group also doesn't speak for the community as well.

Is this a thing on GAF or am I just imagining it? For those who don’t yet have me on ignore, I'd appreciate the feedback.
 
I thought about this question for a couple of months now and event's over the last couple of weeks I've witnessed and even something that's happened to me recently has led me to ask it here even if I haven't got the tact to properly phrase it. Ad to be clear, it's not angled at any specific member.

Is it just me or are there people on GAF who try and get others banned by "playing up" being offended when civilized discourse could easily clear up any discord? I'm not talking about racism, classism, sexism, homophobia or other real cut-and-dry sort of things but rather simply poorly phrased remarks and things of that nature leading the general group to dog-pile after a stink is raised until the matter is out of control.

Do mods take these kinds of situation into consideration or is part of the punishment handed out based on the general reaction by the community. I don't believe we post in bubbles but at the same time, a small group also doesn't speak for the community as well.

Is this a thing on GAF or am I just imagining it? For those who don&#8217;t yet have me on ignore, I'd appreciate the feedback.

I noticed it pretty quickly when I started lurking a few years ago. Trust me on this: it's nowhere near as bad as it used to be. Obvious ban bait threads where the OP gets special protection and the rest of pages 1-3 are banned for misreading the OP or having a differing opinion are a thing of the past. I think it went away due to a change in moderation and I've seen the posters who got away with it post much less often since it stopped. I guess they lost interest when they couldn't have their power trips anymore.
 
I noticed it pretty quickly when I started lurking a few years ago. Trust me on this: it's nowhere near as bad as it used to be. Obvious ban bait threads where the OP gets special protection and the rest of pages 1-3 are banned are a thing of the past.

not really
 
Well if you don't react in a bad way to ban bait, you won't get banned right?

Am I missing something here? Cause to me not getting banned has always seemed incredibly easy.
 
I noticed it pretty quickly when I started lurking a few years ago. Trust me on this: it's nowhere near as bad as it used to be. Obvious ban bait threads where the OP gets special protection and the rest of pages 1-3 are banned for misreading the OP or having a differing opinion are a thing of the past. I think it went away due to a change in moderation and I've seen the posters who got away with it post much less often since it stopped. I guess they lost interest when they couldn't have their power trips anymore.

I can't imagine why people would want to do that to other posters. It would make sense if it was some grudge or something but what I've seen has been random... almost like people were bored. I mean... you you're bored, you should just stop posting and find something else to do right?
 
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