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[Gvaz]

The appropriate term for this group is Roma. "Gypsie" is derogatory.

I say "gyp" all the time. *crosses arms*

There's no gypsies whatsoever in my neck of the woods.

 

[Razek]

He was, it was confirmed.

Wow, really? I mean, I didn't really agree with pretty much any of his political or morality views, but he was a fun poster at times. (I haven't read the thread that ended him yet).

 

[Shouta]

hey bjork, I missed you.

Where can I send you a beer? I bet you need one after a hard day destroying souls like every iteration of Final Fantasy XIII that gets released.

 

[Dead Man]

I say "gyp" all the time. *crosses arms*

There's no gypsies whatsoever in my neck of the woods.

Yeah, when I found out the root of gypped was gypsy I was gutted. But I found new words, so can you.

Hey, I had no idea until I was told. I had no idea how these people are discriminated against.

Yeah, I remember learning a lot in that thread but I have forgotten most of it since it is not a common topic around here.

Travellers would also work.

Cool.

 

[Boss Doggie]

This is the first for GAF having mass bannings?

For now. The directive is to focus back on the topic, but if it gets out of hand again, then there will be bannings.

Ah I see, I thought OP was being condensing in this thread, but I guess it's for another time (and I was reading the posts because holy shit sudden many pages! hahahaha)

 

[Gvaz]

I'm usually pretty flexible but I don't know, I like the word.

 

[Kraftwerk]

Where can I send you a beer? I bet you need one after a hard day destroying souls like every iteration of Final Fantasy XIII that gets released.

Paging Kagari.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

I say "gyp" all the time. *crosses arms*

There's no gypsies whatsoever in my neck of the woods.

Gypsies dont usually announce they are gypsies so you never know.

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

Survivors guilt will pass.

It may, It may not.

 

[SteveWinwood]

This is the first for GAF having mass bannings?

Like the thousandth.

 

[Cyan]

I'm usually pretty flexible but I don't know, I like the word.

You should switch to "Indian giver."

 

[maxxpower]

Sunday mass

Spoiler

bannings

 

[Sye d'Burns]

I say "gyp" all the time. *crosses arms*

There's no gypsies whatsoever in my neck of the woods.

I don't really see that being a valid defense, although, *crossing your arms* could be interpreted as a defensive gesture, it looks as though it was meant to be more obstinate.

Something like the "You can't sink me. I'm the Titanic" defense.

 

[Lionel Mandrake]

Sunday mass

Spoiler

bannings

Bloody Sunday
The Creepocalypse
... Those are the only two I can think of.

 

[Gvaz]

You should switch to "Indian giver."

I say that too.

I also say "reneg" as in like "don't reneg on me bro"

 

[TheGreatDivide]

If gypsies was an offensive term Channel 4 wouldn't have made millions off it.

 

[SteveWinwood]

I never knew that "jewing" someone out of something was even a thing until someone said you should use gyp as a replacement for it. I had always used gyp, which I also thought was jip.

Sort of like I always used jerry rigged. We were at a home depot and talking about jerry rigging something together, and a guy turned around and said we shouldn't use that phrase as it's offensive to germans. We thought back to WWII movies and went huh yeah I guess it probably is. But we sure as hell aren't going to use a different variation on that phrase. I guess I might just use jury rigged, but jerry is so ingrained in me.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Like the thousandth.

Something along the context of nearly everyone in the thread getting banned?

 

[Gvaz]

I never knew that "jewing" someone out of something was even a thing until someone said you should use gyp as a replacement for it. I had always used gyp, which I also thought was jip.

Sort of like I always used jerry rigged. We were at a home depot and talking about jerry rigging something together, and a guy turned around and said we shouldn't use that phrase as it's offensive to germans. We thought back to WWII movies and went huh yeah I guess it probably is. But we sure as hell aren't going to use a different variation on that phrase. I guess I might just use jury rigged, but jerry is so ingrained in me.

As someone who likes jewish people has has dated some, I think jewed is a more offensive word than either of those I mentioned, by far :\

 

[Partial Gamification]

I never knew that "jewing" someone out of something was even a thing until someone said you should use gyp as a replacement for it. I had always used gyp, which I also thought was jip.

Sort of like I always used jerry rigged. We were at a home depot and talking about jerry rigging something together, and a guy turned around and said we shouldn't use that phrase as it's offensive to germans. We thought back to WWII movies and went huh yeah I guess it probably is. But we sure as hell aren't going to use a different variation on that phrase. I guess I might just use jury rigged, but jerry is so ingrained in me.

I believe it is "gerry" rigged, i.e. booby-trapped. A derogatory term for the Germans from the War.

 

[B-Dubs]

Something along the context of nearly everyone in the thread getting banned?

It's happened before, but never like this. We've never had something like this, usually a thread and a bunch of posters disappear if you don't happen to be on.

 

[Sye d'Burns]

Sort of like I always used jerry rigged. We were at a home depot and talking about jerry rigging something together, and a guy turned around and said we shouldn't use that phrase as it's offensive to germans. We thought back to WWII movies and went huh yeah I guess it probably is. But we sure as hell aren't going to use a different variation on that phrase. I guess I might just use jury rigged, but jerry is so ingrained in me.

I believe it is "gerry" rigged, i.e. booby-trapped. A derogatory term for the Germans from the War.

Although their etymologies are obscure and their meanings overlap, these are two distinct expressions. Something poorly built is “jerry-built.” Something rigged up temporarily in a makeshift manner with materials at hand, often in an ingenious manner, is “jury-rigged.” “Jerry-built” always has a negative connotation, whereas one can be impressed by the cleverness of a jury-rigged solution. Many people cross-pollinate these two expressions and mistakenly say “jerry-rigged” or “jury-built.”

http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/jerry.html

 

[cutmeamango]

Since when gypsy is derogatory?! What is GAF smoking lately.
Next thing we know, any denotation will be derogatory as long as someone use it as so.
"Humans" pff.

 

[Razek]

I never knew that "jewing" someone out of something was even a thing until someone said you should use gyp as a replacement for it. I had always used gyp, which I also thought was jip.

Sort of like I always used jerry rigged. We were at a home depot and talking about jerry rigging something together, and a guy turned around and said we shouldn't use that phrase as it's offensive to germans. We thought back to WWII movies and went huh yeah I guess it probably is. But we sure as hell aren't going to use a different variation on that phrase. I guess I might just use jury rigged, but jerry is so ingrained in me.

I'm sympathetic to this post because this is the first time I've heard either of these 2 things being classified as hateful. I guess I need to get out more and won't be saying it again. I hope I haven't offended anyone before, yikes :/

 

[Orayn]

I believe it is "gerry" rigged, i.e. booby-trapped. A derogatory term for the Germans from the War.

A quick look at Wikipedia suggests that the term is much older and based in sailing terminology, but I guess it could have picked up offensive connotations during WW2 regardless.

 

[Lionel Mandrake]

How the hell did this thread turn to racial slurs?

 

[shanshan310]

Oh, its un-stickied. Does that mean its over?

 

[Cyan]

I say that too.

I also say "reneg" as in like "don't reneg on me bro"

Sure, what's wrong with "renege"?

 

[Blair]

If gypsies was an offensive term Channel 4 wouldn't have made millions off it.

I think UKGAF has been resigned to simply waiting for the rest of the world to catch up with words.

 

[Gvaz]

Sure, what's wrong with "renege"?

Some people say it's too like, related to racial black stuff or whatever? I don't know or care.

No one takes it offensively, so it's not an offensive word to worry about. Just another word in the english language.

 

[MormaPope]

Oh, its un-stickied. Does that mean its over?

Yup, all the people that had reasons to be banned were banned. I'm going to assume a lot of offenses were minor and a lot of the people will be back in a week or two.

 

[Platy]

Meh .. expect it to pass the "lesbian moms with transgender kid" bannings but i guess that thread is unbeatable ... but it was close

 

[Cyan]

Some people say it's too like, related to racial black stuff or whatever? I don't know or care.

Oh, I see. Yeah, it's not related at all, though I've heard there are "clever" anti-Obama bumper stickers saying "Don't re-nig."

 

[Nyoro SF]

I think UKGAF has been resigned to simply waiting for the rest of the world to catch up with words.

This explains a lot.

 

[bishoptl]

Where can I send you a beer? I bet you need one after a hard day destroying souls like every iteration of Final Fantasy XIII that gets released.

I'm drinking Strongbow and running eval on concept docs.

On a more general note, I'm glad this is done. For those of you wondering why I stickied both threads with that message, it was to engender on a wider scale what this thread has focused on - a public round of self reflection and a shitload of discussion on more than the nature of moderation, but the behavior in those threads. It shouldn't be that way, but like the great warrior poet Bruce Hornsby once sang, "that's the way it is".

This thread is a safety valve that I think the forum needs, and I hope it stays that way - good or bad.

tl;dr - don't start no shit, won't be no shit

Spoiler

and no I won't be answering your questions about when people are coming back (if at all)

Spoiler

props to Evilore for letting me do what must be done, even when not always agreeing with my methods

 

[Dead Man]

Some people say it's too like, related to racial black stuff or whatever? I don't know or care.

No one takes it offensively, so it's not an offensive word to worry about. Just another word in the english language.

Niggardly. The word is niggardly. There is no controversy about renege.

 

[Partial Gamification]

A quick look at Wikipedia suggests that the term is much older and based in sailing terminology, but I guess it could have picked up offensive connotations during WW2 regardless.

I think you are right about the re-appropriation. From the 16C "gerry" had suggested excrement (Devon dialect). Probably why the word was used during the war. I'm not seeing anything about sailing in Jonathon Green's Dictionary of Slang.

[edit:] doesn't invalidate the sailing claim.

[edit2:] unless it is just "shitty rigging."

 

[Orayn]

props to Evilore for letting me do what must be done, even when not always agreeing with my methods

LORD, WILL YOU GRANT ME JUST A LITTLE TIME? FOR THE PROPER BALANCE OF THINGS. TO RETURN WHAT WAS GIVEN. FOR THE SAKE OF PRISONERS AND THE FLIGHT OF BIRDS.

LORD, WHAT CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR, IF NOT THE CARE OF THE REAPER MAN?

 

[Dead Man]

LORD, WILL YOU GRANT ME JUST A LITTLE TIME? FOR THE PROPER BALANCE OF THINGS. TO RETURN WHAT WAS GIVEN. FOR THE SAKE OF PRISONERS AND THE FLIGHT OF BIRDS.

LORD, WHAT CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR, IF NOT THE CARE OF THE REAPER MAN?

Someone needs to put Bish's head on this.

 

[Razek]

So wait, you did actually do that whole thing by yourself?

I thought every single ban these days on this forum was done through group modding?

 

[NaM]

So the tl at the end of bishop is for The Law?

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Sunday Bloody Sunday

 

[Foxix Von]

I have to.


Dude was legit panicking, too. Then he got over it only to get banned later. Agghhhh

I meant it when I said I would miss him.

 

[Shouta]

I'm drinking Strongbow and running eval on concept docs.

On a more general note, I'm glad this is done. For those of you wondering why I stickied both threads with that message, it was to engender on a wider scale what this thread has focused on - a public round of self reflection and a shitload of discussion on more than the nature of moderation, but the behavior in those threads. It shouldn't be that way, but like the great warrior poet Bruce Hornsby once sang, "that's the way it is".

This thread is a safety valve that I think the forum needs, and I hope it stays that way - good or bad.

tl;dr - don't start no shit, won't be no shit

Spoiler

and no I won't be answering your questions about when people are coming back (if at all)

Spoiler

props to Evilore for letting me do what must be done, even when not always agreeing with my methods

Mmm Strongbow and concept docs. A potent combo.

But yeah, don't start shit and there won't be shit is basically it.

I'd also like to point out that most people have fairly valid opinions but presenting them like a stream of puke coming from your mouth that's been set on fire doesn't really help you very much.

 

[MormaPope]

and no I won't be answering your questions about when people are coming back (if at all)

props to Evilore for letting me do what must be done, even when not always agreeing with my methods

Damn, with info like that I'll just say to those banned reading this thread, salud. Hopefully people won't remember the dumb shit you recently banned people said in that thread and remember better threads you people were involved in.

 

[Partial Gamification]

a stream of puke coming from your mouth that's been set on fire

That sounds like a fraternity party with candles and 151.

 

[HamPster PamPster]

Oh man poor Blasty. Leaving him/her for the second wave to let the false hope build... harsh man harsh

On the bright side I did like the avatar - whats the statute of limitation on these things. I mean, its not like Blasty needs it any more...

 

[A.E Suggs]

I am glad that its over. I will say this though: I only posted once in that thread, and decided that with not only the dog piling on Devo, but the general feel of many of the posts that my opinion would have likely been torn into just like hers was. As I don't have the backbone that Devo does, way more stress than I needed.

It sometimes feels that way in any thread that is basically about sexism or rape (barring the Hot Girls Ugly Guys thread, though of course there is some there too). I love this forum more than any other because some of that shit IS addressed, unlike most other places on the Internet, but it still feels a bit hostile at times if you are a female poster. Examples include the creeper thread, that thread about the girl on the train getting screamed at for not wanting to talk to someone, and nearly every 'female gamers' thread.

Well there's nothing they can really do about that, at least nothing I can think of. I do however feel that topics about sexism and or rape are things that should be discussed at home or in person so people have a better understanding on how to deal with it. Trying to make someone understand over the internet just doesn't really work as its just not the best way to reach someone.

 

[Orayn]

Well there's nothing they can really do about that, at least nothing I can think of. I do however feel that topics about sexism and or rape are things that should be discussed at home or in person so people have a better understanding on how to deal with it. Trying to make someone understand over the internet just doesn't really work as its just not the best way to reach someone.

This has been discussed at length with mods and admins in other threads, and it's not a lost cause. The best we can do is act decisively and publicly to show people when behavior is not okay, and eventually they'll start coming around. Bloodbaths like this one are more than just spectacle.

 

[H.Protagonist]

Well there's nothing they can really do about that, at least nothing I can think of. I do however feel that topics about sexism and or rape are things that should be discussed at home or in person so people have a better understanding on how to deal with it. Trying to make someone understand over the internet just doesn't really work as its just not the best way to reach someone.

But they're brought up here regardless, and just seeing them go south so predictably is a painful thing to watch. And, I think it's possible to reach understandings over the internet. At the very least we get to share our ideas and let others know there's more than one POV. I think that's worth something.