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[Parallax]

cyke X tobais fumke

that would be more fitting if he was in a shower.

 

[Kizer]

We all do. This was when they stopped making him a Boy Scout who lead because daddy said so, and because he was a leader dammit. And before AvX where they forgot he wasn't Magneto.

RIP

Stories would be pretty dull if characters never developed or changed in some way.

 

[Nesotenso]

No, it was that Wolvie wanted to ditch the island and keep the kids from becoming part of Cyke's military. Cyclops wanted to risk everyone's lives to save Utopia. Schism was all about whether mutant kids can be kids or if they are automatically part of an army because of their genes.

It all led from the Wolverine solo story where he is tricked into killing all his kids and he didn't want to endanger any more children.

I see the difference as more that that. When Cyke asks kids to join the fight, no one is obligated to follow his orders. I see his stance as, if you are born a mutant with powers, it learning to control those powers to protect yourselves and others as essential.And facing the reality that use of those powers will involve force and violence. He sees that as central to the mission of the X-men, all the way from the first Uncanny Issue and how the original five were taught. Logan on the other hand wanted a blanket ban.

And yeah, he also a safe mutant homestead as essential to their survival.

 

[WanderingWind]

Stories would be pretty dull if characters never developed or changed in some way.

Stories also become dumb when you throw out decades of character development to prop up a shit story.IMO.

 

[Maklershed]

I don't know if these are considered graphic novels more than comic books but I'm new to this whole scene and I got my first two books .. Y: The Last Man 1 and Hellblazer 1. Looking forward to hopefully getting into a new hobby.

 

[Viewt]

Honestly, I feel like this was the last time Scott Summers was a character I actually liked.

Joss Whedon's Astonishing X-Men for the uninitiated.

 

[Auron_Kale]

Honestly, I feel like this was the last time Scott Summers was a character I actually liked.

Joss Whedon's Astonishing X-Men for the uninitiated.

God... Now I want to re-read Whedon's run - so good.

 

[Sblargh]

I don't know if these are considered graphic novels more than comic books but I'm new to this whole scene and I got my first two books .. Y: The Last Man 1 and Hellblazer 1. Looking forward to hopefully getting into a new hobby.

Awesome choices. To me, a graphic novel is simply a comic book not originally launched as a monthly multi-part series; those two are more like compilation of monthly comic books. But this is a minor technality, what matters is that you made pretty good choices.

 

[jon bones]

I don't know if these are considered graphic novels more than comic books but I'm new to this whole scene and I got my first two books .. Y: The Last Man 1 and Hellblazer 1. Looking forward to hopefully getting into a new hobby.

welcome! y: the last man is really truly brilliant stuff, you're sure to love it. never read hellblazer but i've heard good things.

a graphic novel is just a collection of single comic books. you can just say 'comics', though.

that would be more fitting if he was in a shower.

or at a doctor's office.

doctor: i'm sorry, i need you completely naked.
tobias: ...i am completely naked.
doctor looks at notes

 

[bengraven]

Aw yeah Broadway Comics!

lol My first signed comic is a Jim Shooter-signed Fatale 1.

 

[LiQuid!]

I don't know if these are considered graphic novels more than comic books but I'm new to this whole scene and I got my first two books .. Y: The Last Man 1 and Hellblazer 1. Looking forward to hopefully getting into a new hobby.

Hope you brought your checkbook.

 

[Kizer]

Stories also become dumb when you throw out decades of character development to prop up a shit story.IMO.

I'd say the choices cyclops himself has made makes sense with what has happened in the past years. Desperate men do desperate things.

 

[Lothars]

Stories also become dumb when you throw out decades of character development to prop up a shit story.IMO.

I don't think they threw out his development in AvX or that it was a shit story.

My main complaint about AvX is that it was 12 issues and I think it should have been around 8-10 issues at the most, I liked the story in general.

 

[Kizer]

I don't think they threw out his development in AvX or that it was a shit story.

My main complaint about AvX is that it was 12 issues and I think it should have been around 8-10 issues at the most, I liked the story in general.

My issue was that many times it did seem the Avengers were the heroes and the X-men (or Phoenix five in particular) were the bad guys. I have no problem with the five going nuts and everything, but I think that they should have worked harder in making the "good guy/bad guy thing" a bit greyer.

That being said, as we clearly see here, there are some people who agree with either/or side. I am sure in other places there are debates here and there about this. That is good. At least, that is what I wanted this event to be.

 

[Parallax]

I don't think they threw out his development in AvX or that it was a shit story.

My main complaint about AvX is that it was 12 issues and I think it should have been around 8-10 issues at the most, I liked the story in general.

having not read the series, i can at least say because there was an actual payoff for this event its better than some of the lackluster "events for the sake of events" that we had this decade.

 

[Retrocide]

I have to wonder if the people who have the X-gene suddenly thrust on them will consider Cyclops a hero. From an ordinary life to a life of being hunted and feared. Seems like a recipe for some interesting stories.

 

[Kizer]

I have to wonder if the people who have the X-gene suddenly thrust on them will consider Cyclops a hero. From an ordinary life to a life of being hunted and feared. Seems like a recipe for some interesting stories.

good call. I didn't even think about this.

 

[LiQuid!]

I have to wonder if the people who have the X-gene suddenly thrust on them will consider Cyclops a hero. From an ordinary life to a life of being hunted and feared. Seems like a recipe for some interesting stories.

Wonder how many of them just straight up melted like that kid from Generation Hope... X gene can manifest in some pretty cray ways.

 

[Parallax]

I have to wonder if the people who have the X-gene suddenly thrust on them will consider Cyclops a hero. From an ordinary life to a life of being hunted and feared. Seems like a recipe for some interesting stories.

theres a chance that it was already there. if she reactivated the x gene, then theres not much that can be said against him. it would be nice if there was some sort of time warp mission that could undo all of strikers shit post no more mutants. we lost some potential.

 

[Sblargh]

My issue was that many times it did seem the Avengers were the heroes and the X-men (or Phoenix five in particular) were the bad guys. I have no problem with the five going nuts and everything, but I think that they should have worked harder in making the "good guy/bad guy thing" a bit greyer.

That being said, as we clearly see here, there are some people who agree with either/or side. I am sure in other places there are debates here and there about this. That is good. At least, that is what I wanted this event to be.

Which is no different than Civil War. The argument that super-heroes are walking weapons and thus need government oversight is a very good one; and then Tony Stark and Reed Richard created a murderous Thor clone, a negative zone prison for honest superheroes while pardoning supervillains.

As I said last thread, Marvel events have great ideas and bad execution and when the great idea is a legitimate two-sided debate, the execution consists in flattening one of the sides so the other can be seen as the good guys.

 

[Rafa=FedKilla]

we should be so lucky



cyke X tobais fumke

Lol.

 

[CorvoSol]

I don't think they threw out his development in AvX or that it was a shit story.

My main complaint about AvX is that it was 12 issues and I think it should have been around 8-10 issues at the most, I liked the story in general.

I dunno, man. Cyclops actively desiring the Phoenix's power when it has repeatedly taken steps to ruin his life struck me as out of character. Namor and Emma wanting it, no, but you'd think Cyke would have been the first person against it.

 

[Supermanisdead]

I dunno, man. Cyclops actively desiring the Phoenix's power when it has repeatedly taken steps to ruin his life struck me as out of character. Namor and Emma wanting it, no, but you'd think Cyke would have been the first person against it.

Yeah they didn't properly explain why he thought it was going to be good. He hadn't seen the Phoenix since Endsong and Warsong where it fucked up shit, a lot. At least Emma had seen Jean during the Sisterhood Arc and was told to "be prepared" or something. And then later she saw Hope manifest the Phoenix at the end of Second Coming, right before 5 lights came on. Emma should have been the one who wanted Phoenix.

 

[Kizer]

Which is no different than Civil War. The argument that super-heroes are walking weapons and thus need government oversight is a very good one; and then Tony Stark and Reed Richard created a murderous Thor clone, a negative zone prison for honest superheroes while pardoning supervillains.

As I said last thread, Marvel events have great ideas and bad execution and when the great idea is a legitimate two-sided debate, the execution consists in flattening one of the sides so the other can be seen as the good guys.

One day one of these civil war/avx like events will be done in a way that pleases both of us. When that happens, it will be glorious.

Yeah they didn't properly explain why he thought it was going to be good. He hadn't seen the Phoenix since Endsong and Warsong where it fucked up shit, a lot. At least Emma had seen Jean during the Sisterhood Arc and was told to "be prepared" or something. And then later she saw Hope manifest the Phoenix at the end of Second Coming, right before 5 lights came on. Emma should have been the one who wanted Phoenix.

It was explained that the Phoenix is a symbol of rebirth and that is what cyclops was banking on just as the Avengers were more concerned with with the destruction aspect of the beast. Hope is believed to be the "mutant messiah" so it seems everyone put two and two together and this was the prophecy everyone believed so much in. I also think something happened that hinted this farther in X-sanction.

 

[Hero]

Nnnnot necessarily.

Spoiler

She had to get to point where she could reject the phoenix. It's not clear that she would/could have done it without the Avengerses counsel.

The point is that Captain America showed up on Utopia and demanded Scott and the X-Men hand over Hope, the character that they've been protecting for years now on their own, to the Avengers who haven't done SHIT for them. Instead of working together to solve the problem all the Avengers did was start a war (invading the island), complicated matters further (attempting to destroy the Phoenix on the moon, which only ended up in the Phoenix 5) and even when all the Phoenix 5 were doing GOOD around the world, they continued to fight and forced Scott to finally order a hit on all Avengers.

 

[Parallax]

The point is that Captain America showed up on Utopia and demanded Scott and the X-Men hand over Hope, the character that they've been protecting for years now on their own, to the Avengers who haven't done SHIT for them. Instead of working together to solve the problem all the Avengers did was start a war (invading the island), complicated matters further (attempting to destroy the Phoenix on the moon, which only ended up in the Phoenix 5) and even when all the Phoenix 5 were doing GOOD around the world, they continued to fight and forced Scott to finally order a hit on all Avengers.

what was the good done by flooding wakanda?

 

[krypt0nian]

Thank you, Big Bang Theory for making me fall madly in love with this tshirt. It will be mine one day soon. Oh yes. Mine.

 

[Retrocide]

Consequences be damned...

 

[Supermanisdead]

what was the good done by flooding wakanda?

Black Panther can finally move out and become interesting.

 

[Kizer]

what was the good done by flooding wakanda?

Namor thought it might get him laid.

Consequences be damned...

This book. I am interested.

 

[BuddyJoeHooker]

AvX: It's finally over, the confrontation of Cap and Cyclops was really awkward. They don't really have a history and hardly know each other. At least Cap sees the need for reform and wants to integrate teams. #Cyclopswaswrong

ASM: I liked the issue, I want to see old school Hobgoblin seriously kick some ass.

UXM: I picked this up because it was recommended by the comic shop owner. I like seeing this side of cyclops more but what was up with beast, did he transform back into the more ape like beast? #Cyclopsisstillwrong

Can't wait for Uncanny Avengers.

 

[jon bones]

wait what happened to wakanda : ( ?

btw this blog is awesome

http://www.tencentticker.com/projectrooftop

 

[Nesotenso]

Cap and Cyke were both written as trigger happy and unreasonable for the sake of conflict. I don't see how Steve ever had the moral high ground. Constantly poking and aggravating the X-Men. At least Cyke's faith in Cable's belief about Hope turned out to be right. Reintroducing Bishop right about now would be great.

Also

 

[Deleted member 13876]

I wonder what direction Bishop's gonna take with Hope's new status quo. Does he still have a reason to hunt her? Does he flip out and become even more insane?

 

[Nesotenso]

I wonder what direction Bishop's gonna take with Hope's new status quo. Does he still have a reason to hunt her? Does he flip out and become even more insane?

I think the future he belongs to and where Hope was responsible for the sate of the mutants is coming true or at least the writers could take it that way. AvX seems to be leading the mutants to be the boogeymen again.

 

[ReiGun]

what was the good done by flooding wakanda?

Hopefully, it will lead to T'Challa killing that piece of shit Namor.

Thank you, Big Bang Theory for making me fall madly in love with this tshirt. It will be mine one day soon. Oh yes. Mine.

See, kryp, why you gotta do this? I'm over here trying to save money and you drop this on me? C'mon man.

 

[SpiderJerusalem]

damn, I'll wear that shirt

 

[krypt0nian]

It's damn fine. Damn fine.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

BBT?

 

[Parallax]

Black Panther can finally move out and become interesting.

He is interesting. The man without fear series was very well done

Namor thought it might get him laid.

Rumor has it he was mentally getting laid while dropping the hammer on wakanda

Hopefully, it will lead to T'Challa killing that piece of shit Namor.

God, a namor manhunt by panther would be fucking amazing.

 

[Spike Spiegel]

God, a namor manhunt by panther would be fucking amazing.

Marvel Comics Presents: Herman Melville's Moby Dick

Starring T'Challa of Wakanda as Captain Ahab

Namor McKenzie as the White Whale

Tony Stark as a b*tchslapped Ishmael

And Logan as Queequeg

 

[Sblargh]

Neo-Utopia will be on the bottom of the ocean. The New Brotherhood of Evil Mutants will be Cyclops, Namor, Emma Frost, Magneto and Tiger Shark.

 

[Parallax]

Marvel Comics Presents: Herman Melville's Moby Dick

Starring T'Challa of Wakanda as Captain Ahab

Namor McKenzie as the White Whale

Tony Stark as a b*tchslapped Ishmael

And Logan as Queequeg

Knowing him, he'll flee to latveria. Is he still a welcome guest there?

 

[Supermanisdead]

I liked the fact that while Namor was destroying Wakanda, he was having psychic sex with Emma. What a boss.

 

[Parallax]

Neo-Utopia will be on the bottom of the ocean. The New Brotherhood of Evil Mutants will be Cyclops, Namor, Emma Frost, Magneto and Tiger Shark.

I don't think scott would join up with them. Why is magneto on the run?

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

South Carolinians Cola-Con is coming up this weekend.

I'd love to check this out, but I have no money to make it.

Some other member of pasty-ass GAF will have to report back.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

I don't think scott would join up with them. Why is magneto on the run?

No sensible reason whatsoever. My biggest nitpick with the event actually.

 

[krypt0nian]

BBT?

Of course. And the fact that TV GAF hates it makes it all the more sweet.

 

[Affeinvasion]

No sensible reason whatsoever. My biggest nitpick with the event actually.

Probably because he knows that the mutants will rightfully be blamed for the earth burning, wakanda, etc. Magneto knows what's up.

 

[BuddyJoeHooker]

I liked the fact that while Namor was destroying Wakanda, he was having psychic sex with Emma. What a boss.

Phoenix P.E.N.I.S. it only does everything.