Mitt Romney: We Dont Have People Who Die Because They Dont Have Insurance'
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The outcry would be quite hilarious though.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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Exactly. Glad you agree with Romney.
Sadly, it may be unavoidable at this point no matter WHO wins. Despite Obama being a liberal in American politics, he still leans far right compared to other world politicians and military strikes/interventions will not be taken off the table.
Obama's not exactly anti-war, you realize.
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NinjaFridge
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Especially when people from sites like GAF or reddit find out they aren't nearly as smart as they think they are.
LegendofJoe
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If that happens bring on Occupy the District of Columbia. I'll be there.
IQ tests are designed so that 100 is the mean with a standard deviation of 15, IIRC.
I sure as hell am not voting for him, but we have people in this thread openly advocating for assaulting and causing physical harm to him. It's disgusting.
FlashFlooder
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I am pretty sure that if Obama gets re-elected, there will be a new war. For all the same reasons.
Pretty much. Only people voting for Romney are disgusting racists.
It's the internet, there are people on GAF who call for assault and causing physical harm to someone who beats them at a video game.
Hyperbolic reactions to idiotic or outrageous statements is the official sport of NeoGAF.
ThatCrazyGuy
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I know it is not possible, but I wish we could vote on policies and not party line agendas somehow.
He has been vauge on everything, especially his healthcare plan. Spill the beans.
He has been vauge on everything, especially his healthcare plan. Spill the beans.
FlashFlooder
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But then people would have to actually do their homework
Yes, really. I question anyone that doesn't think this way about those two disgraces.
Romney is a man that will say anything to get what he wants. He's lied and flip flopped more than any single person I can recall ever knowing. I have no idea what his actual plans are. I have no idea what his beliefs are. I just know he wants to be president and that's about it. He's been pro life, pro choice and everything in between. His tax plan bears little resemblance to an actual plan at all. It seems that he jumped on healthcare in Massachusetts purely as a means to an end. He thought it'd be a good issue to get him into the white house, and as soon as that idea became toxic he abandons it and starts touting the emergency room. It seems he has an actual campaign strategy now of saying something moderate to one source, then having his campaign walk back on it and assure the right wing he'll really do the opposite. He's lied his ass off, in the debate and elsewhere, so many times I can't actually take any single thing he says as truth anymore. He has had everything in life practically handed to him compared to 99% of Americans and yet in his back rooms he can spout off bullshit about how he can't convince half of America to take personal responsibility for their own lives. He plays games with money for a living, socializing the risk and privatizing the profit, and yet he beliefs he's a harder worker than most of America. He fights to keep his preferential tax treatment and goes out of his way to not be taxed on the huge piles of money gained from, again, playing games with money and putting people out of work. He's a slimebag, and a real snake oil salesman.
And Paul Ryan is an immature delusional petulant child who thinks he's living in the fantasy world of an Ayn Rand novel. He used his fathers Social Security money to get his education and now thinks himself part of the class of "Makers" while he rails against people who have far less than him as "takers." He doesn't care about his fellow American in need. His plans are complete social darwinism, and he's a complete and utter fraud as a "numbers guy."
So you want a direct democracy? Terrible idea. See California for what happens when you defer tons of budgetary issues, especially tax policies, to the masses. Never mind everything else
Sirpopopop
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They aren't wrong in that deficit, tax structure, etc. can be concerning. However, I would also suspect that many of your fellow students, even if they lean to the conservative side also agree that austerity isn't working in Europe's present circumstances, supply side economics isn't a valid theory, and that Romney's policies will increase the deficit & debt.
Snkfanatic
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How anyone can support this guy I just don't know. Wow
Angelus Errare
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Well if we can survive Bush for 8 years, we'll survive Romney....hopefully.
grimshawish
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Fuck off Mittens. The 'Big Society' nonsense fails every time - tax people, that way the likes of you are forced to help pay your fair share.
If Americans are so charitable then they really shouldn't care.
If Americans are so charitable then they really shouldn't care.
Sirpopopop
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I take issue with the fact that we "survived" Bush. If you are referring to the United States as a country that still exists, then yes we survived. If you are referring to the United States as a country on an upward trajectory, and a country that has the capability to solve the problems facing it today, I disagree.
He was a far worse President than our worst nightmares, and we should remind ourselves of this every day.
This is critical. David Frum noted today that we pay about 33% more than other developed countries for worse health care. Closing that gap would free up a lot of money that could be used to improve our economy.
This was not the part I objected to. See my previous post.
Like the hat?
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I got a cat scan and some other scan when I didn't have insurance. It cost mine thousand fucking dollars.
It's not a matter of not getting treatment, it's a matter of not being able to pay after the fact.
It's not a matter of not getting treatment, it's a matter of not being able to pay after the fact.
Haven't you heard if you vote for Obama this country is going to hell?
He is going to turn America into a Socialist, Communist, Marxist State. He is going to take your guns away. He is going to declare Sharia law. He is going to put us in camps. America will cease to exist if this guy is re-elected. The very fabric of our freedoms are in great peril.
The western way of life is hanging by a thread. America! America! God shed His grace on thee......
ThatCrazyGuy
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I know that. I just wish this healthcare issue could be seperated from being grouped as "conservative" agenda point that is a party line.
I get the feeling he is against just because its demoratic policy and that is what is expected of him.
He never goes into detail about his healthcare plan. I care very much for my fellow Americans and these heathcare issues need to be resolved.Al the time dilly dallying around, people suffer.
Its all just a dream to me though,heh.
It's not even the surviving 8 years of Romney I'm necessarily worried most about. I'm worried about our democracy overall. If Romney wins that means that a party can just become obstructionist and throw the American people under the bus in favor of making the winner look bad. It means that's a good, legitimate strategy. It also means that you can flip around to whatever position anyone you're talking to at the moment wants to hear and lie your goddamned ass off every time you open your mouth and still win the presidency.
Also, it's more of the longer term ramifications of what Romney will put in place. The supreme court getting more conservative would change this country for a lot of my life. Also, getting medicare back from his shitty voucher idea would be near impossible. I'll be pissed at this dolt on into my old age...
which is why he later goes on to say we need to make sure everyone has the opportunity for insurance.
vitriol out in full force today i see.
Sirpopopop
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He could do that by keeping the current plan.
I got an ultrasound earlier this year because I felt a lump on my testicles and wanted to make sure it wasn't cancer. It cost nearly $600 for me with insurance. And this was after a 2 week wait after scheduling it. testicular cancer can double or triple in size during that amount of time.
(It seems to be some kind of a fluid buildup/cyst)
Maleficence
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The worst thing about American politics is how difficult it is to challenge people's bullshit.
LittleBoots
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Right. People tend to forget that insurance doesn't cover absolutely everything.
You're taking issue with me saying they I'd rather they be both taken out back and beaten than given positions as leaders of one of the most powerful countries in the world? I'm not advocating actually doing physical harm to them. I'm saying that there's one of those scenarios that they deserve more than the other. I'm saying that putting these two monsters in charge of the free world should be an almost unthinkable scenario such that taking them out back and beating them for their shitty "ideas" and stances would be a far more plausible scenario.
ThatCrazyGuy
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What's his plan for this?
Doesn't obamacare already try to make it so everyone has the opportunity as well?
I just want to hear his damn plan in detail and not ramblings on how he thinks the ER treats all illness somehow.
From what I can tell he's just advocating we go back to the system we had, where people have to stay on continuous coverage to be able to keep care for pre-existing conditions. That's his "opportunity for insurance," and we see how well that works. Here's a clue: It doesn't. He's using doublespeak, and deserves all the vitriol we can throw at him.
ElectricBlue187
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Step 1: Repeal Obamacare
Step 2: ...
Step 3: Maybe some states will make their own mandated insurance laws!
Guys, listen.
I understand it's cool to hate on Romney. And honestly, he sorta makes it easy from time to time.
But this is what you need to understand.
OBAMA AND ROMNEY ARE THE SAME. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH ONE YOU VOTE FOR, YOU'RE STILL FUCKED.
If you vote for Obama, the republicans will get enough folks into the House and Senate to pretty much make any significant change that would be for the people and not corporate lobbyists be voided. Same for Romney.
Romney has HUGE funding from oil and medical companies. His hands would be well greased if he was elected president. You don't pass laws against those who help you get into power.
Obama's financial advisors are former CEOS of the banking companies that were DIRECTLY responsible for the housing crisis and bank bailouts. WTF?
Both of them cater to the rich. Romney's simply a bit more transparent about it.
It really does come down to which is the lesser of the two evils. Do you really think that Obama is any less worse than Romney?
I understand it's cool to hate on Romney. And honestly, he sorta makes it easy from time to time.
But this is what you need to understand.
OBAMA AND ROMNEY ARE THE SAME. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH ONE YOU VOTE FOR, YOU'RE STILL FUCKED.
If you vote for Obama, the republicans will get enough folks into the House and Senate to pretty much make any significant change that would be for the people and not corporate lobbyists be voided. Same for Romney.
Romney has HUGE funding from oil and medical companies. His hands would be well greased if he was elected president. You don't pass laws against those who help you get into power.
Obama's financial advisors are former CEOS of the banking companies that were DIRECTLY responsible for the housing crisis and bank bailouts. WTF?
Both of them cater to the rich. Romney's simply a bit more transparent about it.
It really does come down to which is the lesser of the two evils. Do you really think that Obama is any less worse than Romney?
LegendofJoe
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Having known people who have died because they didn't have access to healthcare
Exactly, is it really so hard to understand why this comment is so offensive to people and instills thoughts of violence in some? We are literally talking about a life or death issue here.
edible_candle
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Especially all those states that are financially in the red. They'll get right on that.
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This false equivalence crap has to stop. "Oh both sides are just as bad, you are all blind! Listen to me on my pedestal of enlightenment!" Even if they were equivalent on economic issues (hint: they are not), the Democrat party is far and away better on social issues - equal rights for gays, equal rights for women - and environmental issues.
Sure, they both do their own pandering to the upper classes, but at least one party isn't exclusively catering to them.
If I'm being real, I'm not even particularly excited at the prospect of another 4 years of President Obama and his particular brand of nonsense, but every time the shadow of a hint of a thought of voting for Romney crosses my mind, Mitt comes out and says something else so over-the-top shortsighted, idiotic or dishonest that I flip right back to, "welp, guess it's Obama, then."
Sirpopopop
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EPA.
They both have two different visions for how the EPA should function. One administration will view global warming as a threat, and keep on pushing green. The other administration will not.
Yes, Obama doesn't have a perfect green record, but it's a far sight better than anything you can ever hope for out of a Republican administration.
ThatCrazyGuy
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This thread is about healthcare policy. And his ignorant and ill informed remarks on how the system works.
He remarks are stupid and uncaring of well being of many Americans and should be called out on.
Dreams-Visions
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He's a cartoon villain.
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