Mitt Romney: ‘We Don’t Have People Who Die Because They Don’t Have Insurance'

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mr jones said:
Guys, listen.

I understand it's cool to hate on Romney. And honestly, he sorta makes it easy from time to time.

But this is what you need to understand.

OBAMA AND ROMNEY ARE THE SAME. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH ONE YOU VOTE FOR, YOU'RE STILL FUCKED.

If you vote for Obama, the republicans will get enough folks into the House and Senate to pretty much make any significant change that would be for the people and not corporate lobbyists be voided. Same for Romney.

Romney has HUGE funding from oil and medical companies. His hands would be well greased if he was elected president. You don't pass laws against those who help you get into power.

Obama's financial advisors are former CEOS of the banking companies that were DIRECTLY responsible for the housing crisis and bank bailouts. WTF?

Both of them cater to the rich. Romney's simply a bit more transparent about it.

It really does come down to which is the lesser of the two evils. Do you really think that Obama is any less worse than Romney?
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If you just ignore the things that make them different then they're exactly the same, I agree.
 
dIEHARD said:
which is why he later goes on to say we need to make sure everyone has the opportunity for insurance.

vitriol out in full force today i see.
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Insurance wouldn't have necessarily kept the services from costing $9,000. Before he died my dad had an HDHP with a $10K per person deductible. He and my mom had to pay up to $20K per year out of pocket before insurance paid anything, including prescptions. My mom isn't eligible for Medicare yet, so she's paying $400 per month for that HDHP because after thyroid cancer she can't get individual coverage.

I guess my point is that access to insurance doesn't guarantee affordable access to healthcare, so what we have now doesn't go far enough. Obamacare doesn't go far enough, either. But at least it's a start.
 
Htown said:
If I'm being real, I'm not even particularly excited at the prospect of another 4 years of President Obama and his particular brand of nonsense, but every time the shadow of a hint of a thought of voting for Romney crosses my mind, Mitt comes out and says something else so over-the-top shortsighted, idiotic or dishonest that I flip right back to, "welp, guess it's Obama, then."
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I'm pretty much there with you, mang. Its just that I know that in the end, they can't help but be shady. They're FORCED to be. There's too much money involved in politics for them to be for the people. Not unless the people are the 1%.
 
doitlive said:
Lies. A lot of people avoid treatment because they have no way to pay for it, can''t take time off or are worried over immigration issues.
And his suggestion of emergency rooms is why they are so overburdened. Emergency rooms shouldn't be used as a free clinic, it should be for emergencies.
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I don't even understand Mitt's reasoning.

"Stop asking for socialized medicine. We've already done that with the emergency rooms!"
 
I hope he wins, a democracy with so many losers doesn't deserve better.

please Obama win, I fucking beg you.
 
ReBurn said:
Insurance wouldn't have necessarily kept the services from costing $9,000. Before he died my dad had an HDHP with a $10K per person deductible. He and my mom had to pay up to $20K per year out of pocket before insurance paid anything, including prescptions. My mom isn't eligible for Medicare yet, so she's paying $400 per month for that HDHP because after thyroid cancer she can't get individual coverage.

I guess my point is that access to insurance doesn't guarantee affordable access to healthcare, so what we have now doesn't go far enough. Obamacare doesn't go far enough, either. But at least it's a start.
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Or to put another way, your parents had to pay the insurance companies hundreds or thousands of dollar in premiums over the course of the year, and the insurance companies would begin to pay for a small percentage of your health care costs, but only once you had spent $10-20k on medical bills (not including insurance) already, and they would only pay a portion of additional costs (not the $10-20k you already incurred). And, of ocurse, this 10-20k figure reset once the year was over.

Isn't that just swell of them?
 
When I read the title of the thread, the first thing that came to mind is a little more well-known example than most. Veronica De La Cruz (news anchor) had a brother who died specifically because he could not obtain health insurance due to pre-existing condition. That's the efficiency of the free market right there.
 
norinrad said:
America scares me, I would not be surprise at all if you guys vote for Mitt, you did vote for W twice
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1. We all did not vote for Bush twice, just enough idiots did to drown out the intelligent voters.
2. If Mittens win it will be again...because there were more idiots who voted than intelligent voters.
 
dalin80 said:
As an outsider I have to say with a small degree of guilt that its going to be hilarious if this guy gets in the white house, will be very interesting viewing and I can only be grateful there is a ocean between us.
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That is not funny, Politics in America affects the world as a whole. You seriously do not want this guy leading America.
 
It's not that people "like" Mittens... its because he's not Obama, people don't like the direction the Country is heading with Obama, they're willing to make sacrifices to get him out. If Mitt wins, that's why.
 
The thing is though, that as far as I can tell, unless the republicans get 60 in the senate, which is unlikely, Romney would have a really difficult time repealing obamacare

Not to put it past him to go against the constitution, but it wouldn't look very good
 
mr jones said:
That's because the stuff that makes them different is pretty inconsequential compared to how they're similar.
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obama possibly appointing a new supreme court justice if the seat opens up in the next 4 years isn't enough of a reason to vote for obama? our current conservative justices gave us the citizens united ruling.
 
mr jones said:
That's because the stuff that makes them different is pretty inconsequential compared to how they're similar.
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Really? Are you saying that in a hypothetical Romney presidency these past four years the PPACA would have been designed and passed roughly the same? Or that the existence of PPACA is inconsequential? I find either claim extremely hard to swallow.
 
gazele said:
The thing is though, that as far as I can tell, unless the republicans get 60 in the senate, which is unlikely, Romney would have a really difficult time repealing obamacare

Not to put it past him to go against the constitution, but it wouldn't look very good
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Nah. Failure to fund, give out waivers to 50 states. Done.
 
I mean, he's technically right that you can't have an emergency and be refused service. You'll pay out your ass for it if you're not covered, and all of your assets will be seized, and then you'll be forced to file bankruptcy. So yeah, you'll still get covered in the ER, but I know of several uninsured people with medical conditions that should really be checked out, but they can't afford it so they're not going. It could turn into bigger issues down the line, but that doesn't matter right now as they just can't afford to get interim treatment.
 
mr jones said:
It really does come down to which is the lesser of the two evils. Do you really think that Obama is any less worse than Romney?
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Have you heard what some of the Republican reps have said recently?

Agent Ironside said:
It's not that people "like" Mittens... its because he's not Obama, people don't like the direction the Country is heading with Obama, they're willing to make sacrifices to get him out. If Mitt wins, that's why.
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Frankly, I'd be willing to bet most of these people described have been brainwashed by propaganda from you-know-where. Or they're racist.
 
I see people complaining about the romney comments, as usual. However pointing out that people are voting for his economic policy is rubbish. He doesn't have one, he hasn't made it clear, and he sure as hell hasn't made it clear for the lower-iq portion of the GOP vote to fully understand and grasp. I challenge everyone to come up with an exact plan, and maybe you could tell Romney it, as his plan was to have congress make a plan.

The only tangible thing people are voting on right now, is their disdain for Obama. Nothing else. Its a lie to pretend that people, large amounts of people, like the ones hanging chairs, are doing this because of their tax bracket.

These are people that say they want government out of their medicare. Sure, sure they understand his economic goals, and the course its going to take. Sure.
 
RustyNails said:
Like I said, he's leading Obama in the national polls right now.
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This isn't directed at you RustyNails, just saying...

All I keep hearing about is national polls, national polls, national polls. That has fuck all to do with actually winning the presidency. State polls fuckers, STATE POLLS! The Electoral College math hasn't shifted dramatically by Romney's recent uptick.
 
Freshmaker said:
Which basically means they want to vote for a white man.
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Why the fuck did they put him in office then? It wasn't black people, we hold what... 13‰ of the population and 30‰ of that can't legally vote. This is why I don't step into the world of politics. It's fucking maddening.
 
Agent Ironside said:
It's not that people "like" Mittens... its because he's not Obama, people don't like the direction the Country is heading with Obama, they're willing to make sacrifices to get him out. If Mitt wins, that's why.
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And no matter how common this is brought up as a reason, I still have no idea what the hell it means. Neither in general nor on a person to person basis.
 
GaimeGuy said:
Didn't this guy's party just try to ban public hospitals from providing care in the ER if someone didn't have ID on them? I remember that being pushed by the GOP during the health care debate.
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lol, where's your ID

It's in my wallet

Where's your wallet

In my pants pocket

Where are your pants

Oh, I left them with my leg at the crash scene lol

Well damn, sorry, can you go back and get it.
 
Holy Crap said:
Why the fuck did they put him in office then? It wasn't black people, we hold what... 13‰ of the population and 30‰ of that can't legally vote. This is why I don't step into the world of politics. It's fucking maddening.
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because when libs are desperate and scared.. they play the black card.. white people got him elected but now they smell fear.. so us white people be wanting a cracker.
 
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