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Obama with an infinitely better showing.

The first round seemed like Uncle Mitt was ready to spank Obama again.

Turned quickly at around 9:30. Romney never got it back. Close to tipping the scales back with the Chinese pension investment stinger, but lost it shortly after with the "Act of Terror" transcript.

We all know what Obama was inferring at the time, but the moderator kinda crushed Mitt then and there. She shouldn't have done that.
 
This one was a handy win for Obama imo. Far better on policy and more positive and affirmative too. Romney seemed agitated and imo far too negative. You could see the crowd on the tickers were off on the constant barrage of negativity, from both of them, but it seems Romney's main focus was on the negatives, and the luster for that has worn off somewhat.

Loved how Obama shot down Romney's politisising of the Libya tragedy, and said he found Romney's assertions offensive. Very powerful moment.
 
Obama clearly beat down Romney on specifics, speaking, tone and poise. He was very Presidential and that was key... and yet people are saying Romney won? How is that even possible?
 

oh wow. Internets works fast.

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CNN: Romney did good, Obama did better, it was a draw, slight edge to Obama

This is really pretty much the narrative and how it will likely play. And that's a big win for Obama in terms of the election at large.

Romney needed a big win tonight to get over the hump and breakthrough his glass ceiling. He didn't get it. I don't see him making much headway on the strength of this debate.

This debate should either maintain the current status quo or slightly tip things back towards Obama.
 
My comment about Romney being a "white fuck" was unacceptable and I probably do deserve a ban for that. If I am allowed to return, should probably avoid heat of the moment posting.

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EMPLOYMENT

Romney

- Make college affordable
- Grow scholarships and loans accessible
- Help college grads get a job
- Will create "good" jobs again
- Fewer people working than when Obama was elected
- 5 point plan to create 12 million jobs over 4 years and a raise in take-home pay.
- Obama stole his ideas for Detroit's bailout.

Obama

- Investnment in higher education
is critial to whole nation
- Keep creating more jobs (over 5 mil created)
- create more manufacturing jobs
- give incentives to companies creating jobs in us, and exporting to new markets
- Ensure we have best education system by investing.
- Investing in new energy.
- Reinvest military spending into rebuilding American infrastructure.
- romney has a 1 point plan. Make the rich richer.

ENERGY

Obama

- Increased oil and gas production
- Increase in coal production and employment
- Have to look to future - double fuel efficiency in cars.
- Doubled clean energy production
- Contributes to lowering energy imports.
- Open new areas for drilling.
- 600,000 jobs in new natural gas production
- Need to figure out efficient energy. This will help reduce demand and keep gas prices lower.
- Romney wants to let industry write policy.
- Want to keep new energy jobs in US not overseas.
- Demand has gone up, but efficiency is going up.
- We are encouraging natural gas production.
- Romney shut down a coal plant in Mass.
- Investing in Clean coal tech. - Same with gas and oil.
- Effieciency and production will reduce savings.
- Oil companies were leaving public leases unused. Use it or lose it. We are reletting.
- Prices were low in 2008 due to recession.
- Have built enough pipeline. But can't ignore clean energy jobs.

Romney

- Oil production was through private enterprise.
- Fed licenses were cut in half.
- Obama is prosecuting producers
- Want to increase coal, gas, nuclear and renewables (ethanol).
- Obama is not helping coal or gas. He is putting up obstacles with new regulation.
- Make US energy Independent with more drilling and more federal permits.
- Bring pipline from Canada.
- Obama cut licenses. Production on public land is down by 14%.
- Coal is not up.
- Prices at pump show Obama's strategy is not working. Gas and elec. is up.
- If the strategy works, costs will go down.

TAXES

Romney

- Bring rates down. Simplify code. Lower taxes for middle-income.
- Incomes for middle-come is down by 400.
- Utilities and food costs are up.
- Limit deductions and credits and exemptions for high income.
- High income (top 5%) will continue to keep same tax burden (60%).
- Middle income will have standard 2500 deduction, and rate will also go down.
- No tax on capital and dividends and interest for those earning under 200K.
- Under Obama, middle class will face 4K more in taxes.
- Lowering rates will help create jobs. Lots of businesses are taxed as individuals.
- Energy independence in 5yers. Opening trade and championing small biz will create
new revenues.
- Romney plan adds up. Ran a business, a state and the Olympics with a balanced budget.
- Obama record is to double deficit and increase the debt.

Obama

- Tough spending cuts.
- Ask wealthy to contribute a bit more to balance out cuts.
- 250k and less don't face an increase.
- Romney thinks cuts to wealthy grows economy and he will cut their taxes
- I think small business and middle class grows economy.
- Romney's cost of lowering rates for every body along with eliminating estate taxes
and corporate tax reductions will cost 5 trillion. Increasing military
spending will call 2 trillion. Romney's plan increases spend by 8 trillion.
However he cannot explain where the difference will come from.
- We have no specifics from Romney.
- The math does not add up. This will increase deficit.
- People will lose deductions with Romney's plan.

EQUALITY/EQUITY

Obama

- Approved a bill to make salaries transparent (missed this?).
- Salary equity is a family issue.
- Expanded college loans to millions of people, included women.
- Give loans directly to students and eliminated the middle men.
- Will enforce the laws. Will not tolerate discrimination.
- Romney failed to support ledbetter bill.
- Women need access to better health care. Insurance companies
need to provide contraceptive coverage.
- Romney opposes this and thinks employers should decide who
gets contraceptive coverage.
- Romney will eliminate funding for planned parenthood. that will hurt pocket book of women.
- Providing child care credits.
- These are family and economic issues.
- Make sure women have same opportunities.

Romney

- Worked to find qualified women for his Mass. Cabinet.
- Due to recruiting effort and work flexibility.
- Have employers that are willing to create jobs.
- In Obama administration ~550,000 less women are working.
- Need to improve economy. Creating a stronger economy will
help women get work.
- Don't believe gov should dictate health care choices.

BIG BAD BUSH

Romney

- Bush and I are different. Times are different. More possibilities.
- We can get all of the energy we need inside US.
- Will open trade with China (or get tough?). More FTA.
- Will balance budget.
- Champion small business. Rep. focussed too much on big bussiness. Will
help small business with lower taxes. Current tax policies discourages small
businesses from hiring.

Obama

- Administration started during tough times.
- Created 5.2 million new jobs (timeframe?).
- Romney's economic plan is tax cuts. This is what created deficit in first place.
- Romney helped pioneer outsourcing to China. Invested in companies that did business
with China.
- Cracked down on unfair business practices. Romney thinks this is protectionist, but
this saved jobs.
- Romney will turn medicare into a voucher, calls for self-deportation, will eliminate
funding for planned parenthood. Difference with Bush and Romney is in social policy.

OBAMA YOU STINK, SOMEWHAT

Obama

- Killed Osama bin Laden.
- Created a plan for affordable health care.
- Created 5 million jobs.
- Saved auto-industry.
- People are struggling, new plan will help manufacturing and reinvest
military spending into America.
- Romney has signed a no tax pledge for the wealthiest. He will repeal Obama care (same
plan as Mass.).
- Choice is to decide which promises are better for you.

Romney

- Last 4 years not as good as President described.
- Will get a repeat of last 4 years.
- 9 million americans without work.
- Obama has:
- no plan to reform medicare or social security yet.
- No immigration plan yet.
- Did not cut the deficit.
- Middle class is crushed under President.
- 15 million more on food stamps.
- Obama policies have not helped economy.
- Regan's recovery created twice as many jobs as Obama.

IMMIGRATION

Romney

- Nation of immigrants.
- Want legal system to be streamlined and clearer.
- Grant green cards to skilled workers.
- Stop illegal immigration. Will not grant amnesty.
- Put in place employment verification system.
- WIll not give driver licenses to illegal immigrants.
- Children should have a pathway to citizenship.
- Obama said he would reform immigration. Did not do it.
- Did not say Arizona law is model. E-verify is a model - not
whole law.
- Obama did not file legislation. He should have kept his promise.
- We will not round up illegals and deport. We will let them
make their own choice. In favour of deporting criminals.
- My investments are in a blind trust.
- Obama's pension will have investments in chinese and foreign companies.

Obama

- We are a nation of risk takers, but of laws also.
- Streamlined system and reduced back log to make
sure legal immigrants can gain entry.
- invested in border enforcement.
- Will focus enforcement on criminals.
- Young people should have a pathway to citizenship.
- Romney will veto citizenship access to young people
- Will create life so miserable, that immigrants will leave.
- Administration did engage congress/senate to fix system.
- Republicans are not interested in supporting.
- Romney top advisor on immigration designed Arizona law.
- People see America as land of promise.

ATTACK ON US EMBASSY IN LIBYA

Obama

- US diplomats are in harms way. They have a risky job. Concerned
for their safety.
- Instructed State Dept. to beef up security, investigate what happened,
and find out who did this and hunt them down.
- Romney put out a press release for political points. Not how CIC operates.
National Security is not a political issue as it happens.
- Ended war in Iraq.
- Transition out of Afganistan.
- Taking out Al-Qaeda and took out bin Laden.
- I am ultimately responsible for what happens out there.
- Sec. Clinton has done and extraordinary job but President is responsible.
- Stood in Rose Garden and laid out my plan.
- Was at repatriation and with families.
- We do not play politics with these events.

Romney

- President is responsible for failure.
- Sympathetic to families of lossed ones.
- Many days passed until we knew it was a terrorist attack.
- What took so long?
- Day after assissination, the President flew around to fund raisers.
- Puts doubt in President's policy in middle-east.
- Iran closer to bomb.
- Syria is...(?)
- His strategy is unravelling.
- President says it was an act of terror? Moderator confirms.
- Administration took a long time to admit that it was an attack by a terrorist group.

GUN CONTROL

Obama

- Believe in 2nd Amendment.
- Have to comfort families of gun violence too many times.
- Weapons designed for war don't belong on streets.
- How do we reduce violence? Get an assault weapons ban re introduced.
- Also discuss how to give young people opportunity and schools that work.
- Help police intervene before violence happens.
- Get into communities to prevent violence.
- Romney was for an assault weapons ban before he was against it (LOL!)
- Believe in the importance of parents and schools.
- Better screening for gun owners.
- Give people a chance to succeed. Setting up training programs.

Romney

- Not in favour of new gun legislation
- automatic weapons are already illegal
- enforce laws that already exist.
- change culture of violence. Improve education.
- Need parents to help raise kids. Help have two parents
in the hom.
- Encourage marriage. It reduces poverty and helps improve lives of children.
- Don't repeat Fast and Furious. A greaty tragedy. The administration has
prevented information from being released.
- In Mass. both interest groups worked to create legislation together.
Mutually agreed upon. Need more of this in Washington.
- Need leadership for that.

THEY TOOK OUR JERBS!

Romney

- .5 million manufacturing jobs lost.
- Obama made it less attractive for business to stay in america.
- Will not create more regs. Will make America more attractive to business.
- Ensure countries play by rules in trade. China has not. They artificially deflate
currency.
- Will label China a currency manipulator. This will allow us, if necessary, to put
tarrifs on chinese imports.
- Will lower business tax rates to stay competitve with other countries.
- Obama tripled business regulations. This is a deterrent.
- Can compete with world as long as playing field is level (currency and ip).
- Encourage expansion of business.

Obama

- Need to create jobs. Will lower corporate tax rate.
- Will close loop-holes in tax code,though (off-shore profits).
- Romney wants to expand tax breaks to overseas profits.
- The jobs that creates will go overseas.
- We will double our exports. This is creating 10,000s of jobs.
- Romney will crack down on China? But his old business help China take away
american jobs.
- Some jobs will not come back. We want high skill high wage jobs. Need to
invest in advanced manufucturing and science and research.
- This investment will create innovation and innovators.

I AM WHO I AM!

Romney

- President's campaign has distorted my character.
- Care about America, its kids, and future.
- Spent life in private sector.
- Believe in god, we are all children of god. Served as
a missionary and worked with folks through their tough times.
- Helped the olympics get on track.
- Got Mass. schools ranked no. 1 in nation.
- Can get country back on track.
- Don't have to settle for unemployment, 47 million on food stamps, college grads with
not jobs.
- Reform medicare and socialcare. President has not done this.

Obama

- Free enterprise system is engine of prosperity.
- Rewards to risk takers and innovation.
- Everyone should have a chance. We should all play by the same rules.
- Romney is a good man. However, I believe he has given up on 47%.
- Those 47% are parents, soldiers, and low-income folks. I will fight for them.
- Government programs do help grant opportunity.

Whoa. Thanks for keeping up with all this, I missed quite a bit.
 
Romney lost the election on that Libya comment.

He looked like an absolute fool and got laughed at.

And that's what should have been his strongest topic.
 
Seeing Fox News, it's really fucking obvious Obama won. They're trying soooooo hard to make it a wash, haha. Even they aren't going "ROMNEY WON", which is telling.
 
Megan Kelly making a solid point for once. The likability was at an all time low for both. Arguing and talking over one another was really grating to listen to.
 
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