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well when you believe in a secular government and religious agencies are trying to legislate their religious beliefs on more than half of the country who want choice in their personal lives and have been granted that choice in the constitution ... you need to tell it like it is and nudge them off of their pillar of sanctity that they feel allows them such an infringement.
Synth_floyd
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It's hard to convince people who believe in god to think otherwise. It's essentially a "brainwashed" conviction. Most people who believe in god think so just because that's what they grew up thinking and everyone around them thinks that too.
yes he wasn't trying to convert them... he was saying just because you think you have the "moral high ground" ... you don't, because many of us think religious dogma is an invalid argument for forcing control of free people. or at least... agree with their religion but don't believe it should be imposed on everyone including other religions in this country the way Romney's side plan on doing.
I always get my atheists mixed up.
He's right though either way.
Also just saw the proceed governor moment. Romney completely blue-screened. It was amazing.
had Romney not been so in need to be "right" he could have taken Obamam's stern admonishment of his shallow politicization of the dead and turned it into a chance to expand on his moral and empathetic feelings in how he would care as a President and show depth.
Instead the back up robot tape got loaded and he proceeded to complete the program.
speculawyer
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Anyway. Richard Dawkins has been chiming in on Mittens today. Ouch.
That's actually probably quite insulting to any resident creationists and Mormons, if we have any I apologise - don't shoot the messenger!
Yeah, he needs to shut the fuck up. He's pointed out that if he were to testify in a creationism trial, it would probably end up helping the creationist side. (They'd ask whether his understanding of evolution helped make him an atheist and he'd have to say 'yes' which would not go over well with an American jury.) Well, he is helping Mitt with such tweets.
speculawyer
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Love the response. Please keep trolling.
Red Blaster
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What do your girlfriend and wife think
oh you've done it now!
The word binder is used all the time, not sure what your so excited about exactly. I can assume any of us who work in a professional field will hear the term used all the time. Maybe not if you dig ditches, serve fast food, or are a garbage man................but for the rest of us, yeah.
The left is reaching for anything they can to hold to since the election began slipping from their grasp. I understood exactly what he was saying and so did everyone else, it's just desperation.
Short answer: it's dehumanizing to suggest that you can reduce people to a piece of paper that fits in a binder -- not even to their job, but to their resume.
Longer answer: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=43304527&postcount=54
Red Blaster
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Well apparently not everyone else because it went viral for a reason
stay free in your reality distortion field
If he really wants to raise a good question about Mitt, all he would need to ask is this: Mitt was born in 1947. The Mormon church stopped being openly discriminatory against African Americans in 1978. And During these 31 years, Mitt got to the role of Bishop in his church. Was Mitt alright with this policy of discrimination for all that time?
I don't think he was suggesting that people are reduced to a piece of paper. I thought he was saying essentially binders full of resumes, and he was referring specifically to women. I mean, I'm not defending the guy, but I feel like everybody is else trying to create an issue out of something that was not worded exactly to their liking even if it meant the same thing. This just seems like the most insignificant thing in the world. There were other things he said about women that I though were off, but this binder thing just perplexes me.
faceless007
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I don't think anyone is really using the word "binder" as a serious attack on Romney, it's just a really awkward Romneyism and another in a long line of his attempts to sound involved and empathetic about a certain issue in a way that really just makes him sound hopelessly ill-informed and self-absorbed about it (see also "I can't have illegals, I'm running for President" and "I'll bet $10,000"), and it being a particularly odd example of that, has become a viral meme for no good reason, just like all viral memes.
That said, even on the substance, it's a stupid thing for Romney to say, as a reader of Andrew Sullivan's explains:
Red Blaster
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Awkward turn-of-phrase by an awkward person and works as a buzzword to encapsulate his shitty policies on women's rights.
What's not to get?
The Technomancer
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Yeah, there's not a whole lot of content to the "binder" criticism, but its gone viral because its fucking funny
I think the binders full of women is just funny.
What is definitely concerning though is his remarks after that Since he insinuated that women need flex-time so that they can go home early to cook and take care of the kids. And that companies prefer men because they don't need flex-time, but that he will create such a booming economy that Companies will even want to hire women
His attitude towards women seem stuck in the 1950s, and i cant imagine that undecided women voters appreciated Romney not saying anything about equal pay, and basically saying that companies prefer men over women, but its okay, we will need everyone working in my booming economy
But he didn't say "binders full of resumes of qualified women." If he had, no drama. People aren't résumés -- that's why they don't fit in binders. Seriously, read the thread I linked which is literally all about this.
Okay, so it's not that that particular phrase was wrong, but more it, being kind of an odd phrasing, is being used to further dehumanize him. Thanks for the clarification.
gamergirly
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The thing about it is he said what he meant. Just like the 47% comment. The "real" Romney has shown its face many times in the last 18 months. I don't get why he keeps changing his mind on his stances. If he was just honest, he wouldn't seem so stiff while talking to audiences. But then he wouldnt have been the nominee either
faceless007
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Making fun of someone for being out of touch and naive of certain issues as shown by his own words is not dehumanization.
See now that part struck me as odd for sure.
If you would like to reintroduce the topic of The Presidents 20 year attendance and exhaltation of the black liberation doctrine of his extremist pastor and mentor, then by all means do it. Jeremiah Wright is just as extreme and bigoted, the only difference is that his doctrine has not changed nor is he apologetic for any of it.
I'm more than fine with people asking that question also.
speculawyer
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Yeah . . . the actual phrase 'Binders full of women' is just a funny bizarre phrase that only Mitt could come up with. The real issue is more about flex-time so they can go cook, single mothers cause gun violence, etc.
I H8 Memes
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Oh it's you again. And with this again.
How about an avatar bet? Romney wins, I wear an avatar of Ayn Rand. Obama wins you wear an avatar of Karl Marx. Wear it for the entire 4 year term.
Snowden's Secret
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I haven't seen any commentators mention that Romney kept whiffing on all his attacks. Remember "mine isn't as large as yours?" Romney, out of nowhere, remembered one of his prepared zingers and started rambling about Chinese investments and trying to pin a soundbite on Obama.
Obama simply sidestepped and donkey punched Romney. No play in the media though, it's all binders.
Obama simply sidestepped and donkey punched Romney. No play in the media though, it's all binders.
I'll also make this bet with anyone who wants it, except with an avatar of Romney and Obama respectively, chosen by the winning party.
Mitt Romney isn't a flip flopper. He holds all positions simultaneously. He is Schrödinger's Candidate.
Deified Data
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Yeah, thanks for giving Fox a post-debate talking point to piss and moan about, Dawkins. Really productive. "Evil fucking liberals think we're stupid!"
bodyofanamerican
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If Romney and the GOP as a whole just played it as "we just want to know what exactly happened so we can prevent this from ever happening again, and the President isn't being clear enough" and didn't have their Obama bloodlust, it would be a clear winner for them.
But don't forget that government doesn't create jobs, so maybe not even that.
I H8 Memes
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Has this already been covered?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ucuMHuVlIW0
Skip to 26:44
Seems "sketchy".... Maybe this is was a conference call that the one CEO that said his employees would loose their job if Obama won, participated in..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ucuMHuVlIW0
Skip to 26:44
Seems "sketchy".... Maybe this is was a conference call that the one CEO that said his employees would loose their job if Obama won, participated in..
I cant imagine HR would approve. HR SAYS NO! Bad boss, bad
RustyNails
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Romney the Quantum Candidate has been on the internets for a while too.
Escape Goat
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I really do love Rachel Maddow's breakdown of events. Shes obviously a liberal but I can't recall her ever blindly rejecting facts out of hand to suit her agenda. As far as journalistic integrity goes I'd say I'd trust hers over any of the other pundits. What does GAF say?
Thunder Monkey
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Generally I'd agree.
She's got that goofiness of a new generation journalist, but without having to rely on gimmicks or bias. Just a quick wit and teh facts.
This scares the shit out of those with no wit who distort facts. She's one of the best of this new era.
speculawyer
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It is clearly an opinion show and clearly very liberal. But she does a good job and is very diligent about sticking to the facts. There are only a few times when I know she pushed something that she should not have.
She does a good job staying away from the fringey conspiracy theory stuff . . . sometimes even missing out on a good story. She knew about the 47% tape months ago but didn't run with it because they could not fully verify that it was 100% real.
Red Blaster
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Rocket Punch
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Let's contrast Maddow's position with a more level headed analysis of the debate:
Take it away Rush.
/SARCASM
Take it away Rush.
/SARCASM
adamsappel
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What? Kosmo's back?
Bulbo's fine. He even works for the government!
This would be so stupid. Do you imagine Romney is going to say something like he hates black people because they have the mark of Cain and they'll never ascend into heaven? Even Romney could spin an answer about hating discrimination and how he worked behind-the-scenes to change that policy.
They got his alt.
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