Mitt Romney blocked routine birth certificates for children of gay parents

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IdreamofHIME said:
As someone who is also outside the US, I love it. Obama is a boring and safe president. I can't help but think of all the gaffes and stupid stuff Romney will do over the next 4 years if he gets in. He'll be even better the George W. was.
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Yes, let's all enjoy and imagine the fun things Romney might do in the next 4 years. Everyone around the world will love him because he will be as bad as Bush, if not worst.
 
nVidiot_Whore said:
Since the main gay rights issues GENERALLY are at the State level, I imagine many gays aren't as concerned with the Presidents position on the issue.
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Which is such a ridiculously short-sided and naive view, considering presidents appoint justices to the Supreme Court and a number of SSM-related cases will undoubtedly come before SCOTUS in the very near future. Just look at DOMA, for heaven's sake.

But yeah, I know a hardcore gay Republican and it boggles my mind. I'm more concerned about his civil rights than he is. It's so bizarre.
 
Romney, the same guy who said that he doesn't want us to be at all like Greece...but yet encourages austerity as a goto economic growth solution.
 
Duffyside said:
The idea that all people have a right to know who they come from strikes me as absolutely true, and that the social agenda for "gay rights" would trump that is more than a little irksome.
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Adoption law trumps it, not a social agenda. Even for straight parents.
 
BertramCooper said:
Which is such a ridiculously short-sided and naive view, considering presidents appoint justices to the Supreme Court and a number of SSM-related cases will undoubtedly come before SCOTUS in the very near future. Just look at DOMA, for heaven's sake.

But yeah, I know a hardcore gay Republican and it boggles my mind. I'm more concerned about his civil rights than he is. It's so bizarre.
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Yeah the SCOTUS is an important and not often brought up aspect of electing a President.

And I agree, something that should be brought to the attention of homosexual voters if they are thinking the POTUS vote doesn't matter much on rights issues.

I didn't intend to downplay it.. but I think it is where at least some of the logic comes from for some people.. including gays and pro-gay rights supporters alike.. Hardcore GOP homosexuals are a different story altogether.

Or I dunno.. maybe I'm wrong and they just have other motives for their support. Or maybe they just aren't concerned with marriage rights.. could be too young to care.. and younger people are also often most affected by whatever their family or sub-culture they are a part of generally supports.
 
nVidiot_Whore said:
Yeah the SCOTUS is an important and not often brought up aspect of electing a President.

And I agree, something that should be brought to the attention of homosexual voters if they are thinking the POTUS vote doesn't matter much on rights issues.

I didn't intend to downplay it.. but I think it is where at least some of the logic comes from for some people.. including gays and pro-gay rights supporters alike.. Hardcore GOP homosexuals are a different story altogether.

Or I dunno.. maybe I'm wrong and they just have other motives for their support. Or maybe they just aren't concerned with marriage rights.. could be too young to care.. and younger people are also often most affected by whatever their family or sub-culture they are a part of generally supports.
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No worries; I didn't mean to suggest you were.
 
Mercury Fred said:
I tend to think that everything you post is worthless and you don't nor have you ever had anything to add to the conversation.
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Yes, but are you looking forward to my suicide? Be careful, I once saw a conservative poster perm'd for calling someone a hypocrite, even after apologizing. If you say yes, there's a slight chance you may be scolded by a Mod via private message.

Edit: I stand corrected. And accept I may be whooped as well.
 
Duffyside said:
Yes, but are you looking forward to my suicide? Be careful, I once saw a conservative poster perm'd for calling someone a hypocrite, even after apologizing. If you say yes, there's a slight chance you may be scolded by a Mod via private message.
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Suicide? Of course not. That doesn't make me wish I never had to see your posts again though.
 
I guess I don't find this very controversial or rage worthy because he's a republican and conservative. This is basically what the people who vote for him want.

That right there should be the focus.
 
Forever said:
Yours too.
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Forever
Banned
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Forever Banned, indeed. Encouraging suicide is one of the lowest things anyone can do to another human being.

Kaijima said:
Breaking news from years ago but even so, let me just say:

Fuck you, old white man. Fuck you and everything you stand for. Fuck your wholesome conservative families with their ham fisted daddies who beat their gay children and kick them out on the street. Fuck your claims to moral superiority when wholesome straight couples are as much the poster children for divorce and spousal abuse as anyone else's form of inhumanity. Fuck your entire degenerate culture and that's just related to the homophobic parts. I don't have time today to write the fucking novel required to cover the rest of it.

To the people of the future, enjoy your world where men like this and his retrograde kinsman are known only as curious figures in your holographic history files. You should be able to find them sorted by genre. The one with the upstanding moral crusaders who ran re-education schools for Navajo children that took their names away, and the people who put civilians into fenced camps because their eyes were the wrong shape.
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Pretty much this. I roll my eyes anytime someone claims the absolute moral high ground while simultaneously working to snuff out views that don't align with their own simply because they feel threatened by said views' very existence.
 
ssolitare said:
Romney, the same guy who said that he doesn't want us to be at all like Greece...but yet encourages austerity as a goto economic growth solution.
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That's why it irritates me when people vote for him out of fiscal reasons. I mean someone who still believes austerity works better? And on top of that he is a greedy and heartless sack of shit? What reason is left to vote for him?
 
Confusing move there Mitt. He's not wrong for wanting to promote a family unit, they are beneficial. Both biological parents in a low conflict loving family unit, the ideal, hardly realized though. I dont understand him deciding to deny a child that is already born their birth certificate though, whats that going to do? The one party that cant speak up for itself is getting hosed...the child . They had nothing to do with being carried/adopted for a same sex couple so the move confuses me.
 
Is it normal to change the birth certificate to the adoptive parents?

I know a gay couple that adopted twins from india but I never really thought about what it would say on the birth certificate. Would they even have a birth certificate if they where born in a different country?
 
If I were gay I think it would be kind of neat to show my kid someday that I was one of the first fathers after the law had been changed. Showing the crossed out form would be like a badge of honor.

But yeah, fuck you Mitt.
 
ReBurn said:
Sexuality aside, it seems weird to me that a person who did not contribute DNA to a child would be listed on the birth certificate in the first place. But I'm not an expert, so I won't pretend to have a valid opinion on the matter.
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Duffyside said:
Not that I can convince anyone, but it is always fun to see the meltdowns;

I'm troubled people are only concerned with the same-sex parents, and not the child, though you would think I wouldn't be since that's a common theme for the entire country -- to view children more like property than individuals with very important, delicate rights.

The idea that all people have a right to know who they come from strikes me as absolutely true, and that the social agenda for "gay rights" would trump that is more than a little irksome. And before anyone asks; yes, I would be in favor of laws preventing anonymous sperm donation, so that if a single woman were to become pregnant, the child could still know who their father is.

Still, the right approach would seem to be to have spots on the Birth Certificate for the father and mother, but then additional categories for "additional guardian, married to mother (or father)" or something of that nature. In the end, this doesn't seem like a big deal at all, and if reported at say FoxNews, could actually help Romney.

But, this is coming from a guy who really likes fast food chicken sandwiches, so, y'know... go crazy.
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The thing is, a birth certificate isn't so much of a historical document as it is a legal document. I know who my mother was, she raised my until she died when I was 11. My father remarried and his wife adopted me. Since then, her name is on my birth certificate as my mother. Really bugged the shit out of me when I found out cause it's like my mother didn't exist. Anyway, the gay parent thing isn't the only time that there are inconsistencies on a birth cert.
 
someday said:
The thing is, a birth certificate isn't so much of a historical document as it is a legal document. I know who my mother was, she raised my until she died when I was 11. My father remarried and his wife adopted me. Since then, her name is on my birth certificate as my mother. Really bugged the shit out of me when I found out cause it's like my mother didn't exist. Anyway, the gay parent thing isn't the only time that there are inconsistencies on a birth cert.
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Interesting; thank you for sharing. Though I think your information would only add to my belief that it should be an historical document for the child, rather than a legal document for the parents. That doesn't strike me as right that your mother's name was replaced. I feel that there should be an additional document to record an adoption, but not the certificate of birth.

As I said earlier, I feel this way about all circumstances I can think of, whether it's an infertile couple using a surrogate woman to deliver a baby, or a single woman on her own using a donor, or a gay couple -- both biological parents should be listed, and then, as Riposte so eloquently stated, additional legal guardians as well.
 
But don't hospitals keep records of birth that goes into the child's medical file that's separate from the birth certificate?

I could have just made that up though.
 
GOP is so incredibly tiring. I shouldn't be surprised by their antics anymore but it still makes my heart sink still when I read their latest exploits.
 
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