does your respect for someone plummet if they endorse the wrong person?

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So I just read that Meat Loaf appeared at a Rally for Mitt Romney and that kinda made me feel bad for liking some of his music (especially the Rocky Horror Picture Show).
And that got me wondering about other (famous) people endorsing the "wrong" person, and it really does influence my feeling towards said people.
On the other hand someone I really like endorsing someone (or something for that matter) would not suddenly make me change my mind and make me say I was wrong all along, but thank you Samuel Jackson for showing me the light.

And it makes me think it must be very risky for someone who might have been neutral before hand to state publicly who they support be it in an election or any other issue that might split the people.

But nevertheless I am convinced it is important for everyone to think long and hard about their opinions and then to voice them, especially on the difficult matters at hand..

So who has lost your respect or affection for endorsing the wrong people, things or causes?
 

Guevara

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Yes. It makes me question their judgement. You can support a Republican for a specific position and that's fine, but to support Romney? Nah.
 
I had a bad breakup earlier in the year that hit me really hard. Saw her "like" Mitt's Facebook page. Realized I dodged a bullet there.
 

Collete

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If my friend endorsed the wrong person and they are open minded, I would probably talk to them about it and look at it from a different light.

If they are closed minded, I made the wrong friend.
None of my friends are like that so it's cool.
 

LuchaShaq

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If they endorse someone that supports hatred/anti intellectualism? I lose all respect.

If they endorse someone who I simply disagree with on issues but isn't an insane sack of shit? No problem at all.
 

Metrotab

Banned
I don't let politics influence my friendships nor my perspective of people.

This might be different in America though since the Republicans went outright crazy.
 
Eh...sometimes. Meatloaf endorsing Romney hasn't really changed my perception of him, so much as the weird Cold War-era paranoia he's using to explain his endorsement. I like a few of his songs quite well, and will continue to do so despite his political idiocy.

If it's a distant Facebook acquaintance or something, then yeah, I'll probably begin to distance myself from them.
 

DietRob

i've been begging for over 5 years.
I don't care who votes for whom. However, I do have a problem with any celebrity endorsing a candidate. They are likely not well informed on the issues and are just using it as another form of 'product endorsement' or doing it for headlines.
 

Eusis

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Depends on why really. Clint Eastwood for example just doesn't seem to give a fuck and may really be embittered with politics period more than anything else, whereas Chuck Norris's "1000 years of darkness" blew up what credibility someone grotesquely elevated by the internet even had. Then there's people who seem to want to vote Romney more out of habit of sticking with Republicans than anything sensible, I think they really just need to stop, abandon their older views of the parties, and look at what they currently are and work from that so that at least voting Republican isn't simply a matter of habit.
 
absolutely, depending on how voraciously they defend their views.

respect, for me, encompasses and separates among many facets of a persons personality. i can find a person reprehensible and unrespectable concerning certain issues, but respect their work in other areas.
 
Clint Eastwood supports Romney but I still love his work. I think you can chalk up political views under personal beliefs, like crazy Tom Cruise worshiping Xenu but damn, he sure makes good movies.
 

jon bones

hot hot hanuman-on-man action
yeah if someone supports Romney, their ignorance* really shines through

*unless they're wealthy, then their douchbaggery and lack of patriotism shines through
 

Leunam

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One of my coworkers voted for Romney because he "wants to keep more of his money." His reasoning is a bit flawed and he didn't do much to learn about either candidate.

That's not to say that he shouldn't vote for him, but his reasoning skills certainly make me think less of him.
 

WanderingWind

Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Nah. More like how they endorse a candidate. Treat Obama like Black Jesus (aka Jesus) who is going to come down, wave a magic wand and solve your problems? I think you're an idiot. Endorse Romney because he's going to get rid of that socialist, Muslim Kenyan who terk yer jerb? I think you're an idiot.

And so forth.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
I don't give a shit who someone endorses. Everyone is free to make up their own damn mind without me trying to proselytize to them how horrible they are.

If they want to enter into a discussion about it, then fine, but there are a lot more aspects about someone's personality and character than just whom they vote for.
 

Amir0x

Banned
It's not the endorsement itself that would cause me to lose respect for Meat Loaf (well, if ever had any that is), it's the singing at the end of the endorsement that does it.

DeaconKnowledge said:
Stacey Dash supports Romney.

Like that porn star said: "if you're rich, you're voting in your best interest to get Romney in office!"
 
Nah. More like how they endorse a candidate. Treat Obama like Black Jesus (aka Jesus) who is going to come down, wave a magic wand and solve your problems? I think you're an idiot. Endorse Romney because he's going to get rid of that socialist, Muslim Kenyan who terk yer jerb? I think you're an idiot.

And so forth.

I can't help but agree, but at this point I'd have to ask, what would a logical endorsement of romney be? Then all of a sudden how they do it (in this particular case) doesn't matter.
 
I lost all respect for Dave Mustaine after he endorsed Santorum, but that is only because I thought he was much more left-leaning than that. Maybe I've been interpreting his songs the wrong way all these years.
 

A.E Suggs

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Nah. More like how they endorse a candidate. Treat Obama like Black Jesus (aka Jesus) who is going to come down, wave a magic wand and solve your problems? I think you're an idiot. Endorse Romney because he's going to get rid of that socialist, Muslim Kenyan who terk yer jerb? I think you're an idiot.

And so forth.

Honestly thats probably how the majority of people see both of the candidates. Neither of these guys are saviors.
 

WanderingWind

Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I can't help but agree, but at this point I'd have to ask, what would a logical endorsement of romney be? Then all of a sudden how they do it (in this particular case) doesn't matter.

I really couldn't tell you, to be honest. Military likes Republicans because guns and yellow ribbons, so those are the two reasons I hear most after the socialist/Muslim/jerb nonsense.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
I can't help but agree, but at this point I'd have to ask, what would a logical endorsement of romney be? Then all of a sudden how they do it (in this particular case) doesn't matter.

When one's overall disappointment of the incumbent qualifies that person to be unfit for office, which happens to be a stronger feeling than any unease towards the current challenger.

Which would explain the "anyone but Bush mentality" as well.
 

WanderingWind

Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
When one's overall disappointment of the incumbent qualifies that person to be unfit for office, which happens to be a stronger feeling than any unease towards the current challenger.

Which would explain the "anyone but Bush mentality" as well.

Romney really is the flipside of the Kerry coin, isn't he?
 
One of my best friends who voted for Obama in 2008 is voting for Romney in 2012, the rest of her family is fairly right wing. I know she has her reasons (even though I totally disagree) but I'm not going to go giving my friend shit over something that comes up once every 4 years.

Plus she's in Jersey so it's not like her vote is really going to affect the results there.
 

Lunchbox

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maybe

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I lost all respect for Dave Mustaine after he endorsed Santorum, but that is only because I thought he was much more left-leaning than that. Maybe I've been interpreting his songs the wrong way all these years.

That's always a weird feeling, yes. When you think you've got someone figured out and all of a sudden realize they're an entirely different person. It'd be like Stephen Colbert coming out as an actual conservative Republican, and then having to go back through his body of work and reinterpret everything.
 

Alucrid

Banned
Apparently my brother and his gf broke up because she told him he better not vote for Obama or her dad's business will have to pay more money because of Obamacare or something. Never knew she was that much of a cunt.
 

ShutEye

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I respect David Frum as a writer, even though I can't respect his decision to vote for Romney.

We all make mistakes, god knows I've made them.
 

oatmeal

Banned
No.

Most people don't even know why they're voting for someone and won't end up caring much either way.

There is more to life than politics.
 

Philia

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I've found a friend who's exactly fits the bill of this thread just recently.

I thought he was pretty awesome well-rounded guy. And then this whole Chick Fila mess got me wondering about his stance as a gay man while he's a Republican. So I asked him about in a message... and well...

Yes, I am still conservative Republican, and damn proud of it. Yes, I will be voting Mitt Romney for President of US. If Obama wins again, things will be worse than his first term. Bet on that! It will be very interesting election to see who wins. It is very close tight election between Obama and Romney. However, I do have a strong feeling that Romney will win. I had dream one night few months ago that Romney won. Hope this will come true. I did have dream one night that Paul Ryan will be nominate for Vice Presdient. And, it came true!!! Wow! Now, as for whole crazy liberal-whining campign against Chick-fli-A, I think it is stupid what liberal medias did! This is free country, and we ALL have the rights to say anything in our opinion and beliefs. The CEO of CFA has the right to express his opinion on against gay marriage, and that is fine. No hard feeling. Who cares! In fact, I do cheer for CEO and yes I am against gay marriage. I know I am gay man, but I just do not believe gay marriage at all. Yes, I do LOVE my partner and we have been together for 13 years now. I am HAPPY to be with him, share a home with him, share a life with him, etc. But, marriage is not for me. It is based on religion beliefs. Religions created marriage, NOT God. Gays just do not understand about marriages. I do not know how to explain. There are ALOT of gays that are against gay marriages. These gays are Republicans like me. It is just opinions and human being. My partner is strong Democratic voter and he supports Obama. So, yeah, it can be tough for me but we never talk politics at home because it is not worth it that could ruin our relationship.

You are cool, so there is nothing wrong for you to think that we should have options for such diversity. Obama is!!! He divided us. He made his party a bit racist. Republican Party is NOT racist at all, and no they are not against gays. It is the lies made by liberal medias. Republicans care about freedom, business, job, lower tax rates, smaller goverment, and super boarder sercue. Democratic is all about taxes, taxes, taxes, job killing, welcoming illegals to come into our land, HUGE government, etc. That's why I am a Republican.

And then I come to find out later that he watches Fox News. :\ His tirade on facebook just gotten WAY worse as the election came closer. Its awful to see. Its like he's completely oblivious to EVERYTHING. :( Ugh. Just pure... UGH.
 

Zee-Row

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I would find life boring if i surrounded myself with people that agreed with everything i liked. I welcome different opinions and views.
 

strobogo

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Not celebrities, but people I know personally, yes. When I see "____ likes Mitt Romney" and know that they make under $20,000 a year with 3 kids and legitimately need and rely on food stamps, free lunches, and other welfare programs so their kids can eat and pay their bills and are voting for Romney because of "social issues" that they don't actually give the slightest of fucks about and just use it as an excuse because they aren't comfortable with a black president, I lose respect for those people. When you're voting against the interests of you and your family out of spite, that's hard to respect.

And I can't honestly believe that anyone is legitimately excited for Mitt Romney.
 

someday

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Yes, for friends and celebrities. Now, I don't have any celebrities that I really admire so it's pretty easy to lose what little "respect" I had for them due to an endorsement. I can't really help it. I guess being black, female, and gay, someone voting Republican just seems like a massive slap in my face that I can't get over it. This has gotten worse since the party has gotten more "jesus based," I certainly didn't hate them before. Actually, since Bush 2 I admit to being rather intolerant toward anyone voting Republican and I'm ok with that. I don't yell or argue with them, I just seethe with hatred on the inside.

I'm joking. Sort of.
 

Imm0rt4l

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I don't lose respect for them, sometimes I might question their judgement though. Sometimes it gives me a sense of a persons empathy for his fellow man.
 

Sobriquet

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And then I come to find out later that he watches Fox News. :\ His tirade on facebook just gotten WAY worse as the election came closer. Its awful to see. Its like he's completely oblivious to EVERYTHING. :( Ugh. Just pure... UGH.

You could easily do a point-by-point rebuttal. Nearly everything that he wrote is factually incorrect.

I lost all respect for Dave Mustaine after he endorsed Santorum, but that is only because I thought he was much more left-leaning than that. Maybe I've been interpreting his songs the wrong way all these years.

He was liberal, for almost his entire career. Then he became a born-again Christian.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
I've found a friend who's exactly fits the bill of this thread just recently.

I thought he was pretty awesome well-rounded guy. And then this whole Chick Fila mess got me wondering about his stance as a gay man while he's a Republican. So I asked him about in a message... and well...
I can kinda see his religious argument about that, but I wonder why he'd want to forgo the legal benefits the status of marriage can give to couples in regards to taxes, inheritance, benefits, visitation rights, etc.

Unless he's against marriage and for civil unions or something.
 

Baraka in the White House

2-Terms of Kombat
I've found a friend who's exactly fits the bill of this thread just recently.

I thought he was pretty awesome well-rounded guy. And then this whole Chick Fila mess got me wondering about his stance as a gay man while he's a Republican. So I asked him about in a message... and well...



And then I come to find out later that he watches Fox News. : His tirade on facebook just gotten WAY worse as the election came closer. Its awful to see. Its like he's completely oblivious to EVERYTHING. :( Ugh. Just pure... UGH.

Got a friend like this. He never used to give a shit about politics up until about six months ago when he started posting tea party/Libertarian chain mail garbage all over his wall and talking shit about leeches this and moochers that. He's an intelligent individual so it's been strange watching him argue his (Fox News') political positions with the maturity of a tween.

So yeah, respect definitely lost. Especially since I happen to know that if it weren't for the seemingly endless patience and generosity of his parents he'd have a lot more in common with the "leeches" than he would care to admit.
 
The case for believing in or endorsing anything or anyone can be made, so what matters more to me is the evidence used to justify their reasoning. It's scary how a startling number of people seem to have put little thought into their justifications, however, resorting to tribalism and emotion instead. I try not to look down on someone for feeling different about something, whether I could classify it as morally repugnant or not, but it's not always easy.
 

Maddocks

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only if the person talks like they can predict the future.

Obama wins means hell on earth!
Mitt wins means puppies and rainbows!

thats when I judge a person. based on how crazy they get. or if they say they want to vote for a person who is not even running. throwing their vote away people.
 
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