Facebook election meltdowns and tasty, salty tears |OT|

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EmCeeGramr said:
No they weren't. No torture was used to get bin Laden.
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I would imagine we don't know this for sure either, right? I mean isn't anyone who says anything either way speculating? All the evidence on how the data was obtained is classified, isn't it?
verdures said:
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Well, then, Hearst Media Services...
 
CornBurrito said:
As far as I know, freedom of speech simply means that the government cannot do anything to limit your speech right? Why do people constantly try to make it seem like facing social consequences from peers is anti freedom of speech?
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Because people do not understand their rights, they just make assumptions based on common knowledge or phrases.
 
verdures said:
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I bet if [totally hypothetical situation that can't be easily tested] were to happen [results I'd want to happen to demonstrate a point] would occur.

"Why is that ok?"

I dunno. Maybe it isn't, because you just made up an entire story in your head and didn't like the ending you generated and that might not be an accurate representation of reality.
 
rbanke said:
Because people do not understand their rights, they just make assumptions based on common knowledge or phrases.
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One of the most tragic truths about civil rights. Uniformed people will harp on whatever seems convenient based on their interpretation of the words, while ignoring or championing the legitimate threats to civil rights that DO take place. Depresses the ACLU to no end, let me tell you.
CornBurrito said:
I bet if [totally hypothetical situation that can't be easily tested] were to happen [results I'd want to happen to demonstrate a point] would occur.
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Haha. Saving this. It's perhaps the weakest rhetorical argument one can make.

edit: God, the discussion it would generate if she actually sued for wrongful termination. I have this sort of resurgent idealism after the election that all of this ignorance coming out of the woodwork combined with the clear results of the electoral and popular vote will give us an opportunity to legitimately raise the level of debate in this country in the next 4 years.

Don't worry, I'm sure this feeling will be crushed by January.
 
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Several emails to 11Alive News expressed concern about the posts, because the woman making the offensive statements apparently worked for a family medical practice in Statesboro. One email to 11Alive asked, "Are African Americans safe at this office? Does this young lady care for African Americans as she does all patients?"
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That was more than enough reason to fire her.
 
TacticalFox88 said:
For all you people who think those on Welfare are moochers, you need to read this: http://www.timwise.org/2012/08/were...-the-never-ending-lies-of-the-american-right/


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There is MUCH more statistics in there. But anyone who tries to come at you with complaining about moochers should be bitchslapped with this essay
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Thanks for this. My heavily republican family brings up the moochers stance that all the time, so having this to throw in their face in the future is great.
 
Samyy said:
Are people really that opposed to higher taxes? Say 2-3% for instance.
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Yes.

Well, probably not if you put it that way I'm sure now the debt boogie man means that most people are open to it. But the problem is that marketing "I've lowed taxes, and the guy running against me wants to raise your taxes" is really easy. It hooks so many people. Millionaire assholes gain a fuckton from it. People who don't make jack won't make much, but it appeals to them because they don't make much of anything and hearing that someone wants to take more of that scares them even if realistically that person isn't going to take more from them specifically at all.

And on top of that you have one of the biggest lobbyists and shitstains around, Grover Norquist who has the entire Republican party signing a pledge to never ever under any circumstances raise any taxes. If a republican does, then he'll get primaried by someone backed by that lobby.
 
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This is worse than when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!
ForDeadPool 16 hours ago

really? the germans?
Joseph Mcdaniel in reply to ForDeadPool
 
mackattk said:
Really puts into perspective that black people were only 13% of the total vote - while white had 72% of the total vote. And racist people saying "well of course 95% of the black people voted for obama"

Shit swings both ways.
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I think the makeup of each candidate's votes split into white and nonwhite is potentially the most damning...

Romney: 88% white, 12% nonwhite
Obama: 56% white, 44% nonwhite

I don't believe race was the most important issue in this election by any stretch. I'm just saying, I'm proud to be part of the 56% rather than the 88%.
 
jaekwon15 said:
The reasons I voted for Romney include the deficit, in coming high taxes, theaffordable health care act, a failed stimulus package, unemployment is still high , the use of drones, leaving US citizens to die in Benghazi, using Bush policies to kill Bin Laden while taking credit and forgetting that he was against them.

As for making fun of the salty tears, I don't blame you, if by salty tears your referring to these disgusting and ignorant racist post of Facebook. Those people should be ashamed of themselves.
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'The Deficit' isn't a reason to vote for Romney. Please explain why 'The Deficit' pushed you to vote for Romney. I assume I already know the answer, but I'd like to hear if you even know why you're so scared of the deficit.

The incoming high taxes you mention, for who? Are you afraid of high taxes on the top 1%? If so, why?

The affordable health care act, again, isn't a reason to vote for Romney. Please explain WHY Obamacare pushed you so far. This is another one of those nebulous reasons that I'm assuming you can't quite articulate.

What failed about the stimulus? Economists are in universal agreement that it was needed at the time.

Unemployment will drop under Obama just as it would under Romney. Remember, Government can't create jobs. *:lol*

Every other reason you posted is too boring to break out.
 
RDreamer said:
Here's some real life salt:
Virginia store closes for a day to mourn the loss of America
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Oh man, one of the comments on that is just... wow...

"[republican party needs to modernize] on gay marriage, on the role of church in public life, on abortion, on contraception, on education"... so are you saying, support an unnatural abomination, suppress the gospel of Christ, endorse murder, promote population reduction, and brainwash kids toward godlessness... ?? So modernize = the moral decay of society? ... wow
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Incredible. Especially the "brainwash kids toward godlessness" remark. What the hell?
 
Some of the posts from my Facebook feed have been kind of vexing.

One guy was complaining about 4 more years and freeloaders and welfare recipients and I asked him well, is your net worth higher now than it was on November 7th, 2008? If so, what's the problem?

No response.

Then another guy who I'm sure has a higher net worth now than in 2008 posts "I don't think I can handle 4 more years". I don't understand why these guys would complain if they are doing better now than they were 4 years ago. I can say that Obama hasn't materially affected my life in any way whatsoever -- just what is it that these guys are finding so personally offensive?

And then there are complaints about ACA and people getting free healthcare. And then I point out that wait, did you miss the part where SCOTUS upheld ACA and the mandate because it's more or less a tax? Did you miss the part where the mandate is managed by the IRS? This means that everyone with the ability to pay pays into the system now; effectively, more people are going to be paying for coverage.

I don't think these people actually have stopped to examine where their lives are today versus where it was on November 7th, 2008. Republicans really do operate in some sort of information and reality bubble.

There has to be some underlying reason that has nothing to do with economic policy.
 
Jackben said:
I'm sure there's something , I just haven't seen it yet. I've asked around and will post back if I find anything. Here's a racial demographic breakdown:

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Let's take a moment to note how much more diverse Obama's voters are. He won every single demographic -- blacks, latinos, asians, and "other" -- except for whites, and even there his proportion is reasonably close to the national average (he got 56%, national average is %63). Obama's coalition is much more reflective of the broader nation than is Romney's.

I have in my head, personally, something I call "alarm bells," but which other people often refer to as "red flags." That is, there are some facts which do not directly contradict a position I am taking, but certainly make me step back and question whether my conclusions are right or not. Bear with me here.

As an extreme example to clarify the concept, consider a group of people, some of whom have significantly lower than average IQs, while the rest are university professors from a variety of disciplines. We are then asked, "do you believe in X, or Y?" I choose X.

But then, I find that every single person with a low IQ also chose X, while every single college professor chose Y. Now, that is not in itself proof that I am wrong. It is indirect evidence -- it makes an alarm bell go off in my head, asking me, "okay, are you sure about this? Why did you come to this conclusion and is there a reason why such an intelligent, diverse group disagrees with you unanimously?" Perhaps I'd still believe in X anyway, but at the very least I'd stop and think about it.

Back to the point: I would have "alarm bells" going off in my head if I were Republican leaning and saw the above graphs. The fact that my group is so overwhelmingly white, while the Democratic group is composed of a variety of groups (including whites) all coming together to reach a consensus, would make me stop and question whether I haven't made an error.

I point all this out because I have never personally seen these sorts of demo charts give a Republican person pause. I have never seen someone stop and go "huh," the way it would me if I were in that position. Again, I don't mean that it should force people to switch sides and realize the folly of their error and that the democrats are right about everything, as this is all indirect evidence, but it would at least give me pause to reflect on what these demographics mean.
 
jaekwon15 said:
I'm fine with Obama winning. I just want him to do a better job than his last term. His endorsement of marriage equality and other socially progressive ideas are welcome. No salty tears here.

If I'm wrong on the other concerns I expressed then please direct me to information that can prove it wrong. I am more interested in having factual information than arguing for the next few pages.
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I appreciate your honesty and yearning for truth.

There is zero evidence to suggest evidence obtained from waterboarding under W's term led to the killing of Bin Laden. Lack of evidence is not proof of evidence.

You mentioned deficit reduction, which means you voted for someone who will shrink the gap between spending and revenue. Romney did not have any plan whatsoever for this. He planned to cut spending, true. He also planned to cut taxes, the principle source of revenue for federal government. You cannot cut spending and cut taxes and expect to run a surplus. Romney's plan to pay for the taxcuts was "closing loopholes without raising any taxes". At this juncture, I advise you to visit this website, play the Romney Tax Plan Simulator (scroll to the bottom) and tell us how it's paid for.

It doesn't add up.

Obama leaving US citizens to die in Benghazi is an utter, despicable falsehood. There's no nicer way to put it.

Can you expand on "stimulus package" and why it failed.

Obamacare is not perfect, but it is better than status quo. I'll leave that argument.
 
CharlieDigital said:
Some of the posts from my Facebook feed have been kind of vexing.

One guy was complaining about 4 more years and freeloaders and welfare recipients and I asked him well, is your net worth higher now than it was on November 7th, 2008? If so, what's the problem?

No response.

Then another guy who I'm sure has a higher net worth now than in 2008 posts "I don't think I can handle 4 more years". I don't understand why these guys would complain if they are doing better now than they were 4 years ago. I can say that Obama hasn't materially affected my life in any way whatsoever -- just what is it that these guys are finding so personally offensive?

And then there are complaints about ACA and people getting free healthcare. And then I point out that wait, did you miss the part where SCOTUS upheld ACA and the mandate because it's more or less a tax? Did you miss the part where the mandate is managed by the IRS? This means that everyone with the ability to pay pays into the system now; effectively, more people are going to be paying for coverage.

I don't think these people actually have stopped to examine where their lives are today versus where it was on November 7th, 2008. Republicans really do operate in some sort of information and reality bubble.

There has to be some underlying reason that has nothing to do with economic policy.
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FOX News pretty much. They really are sooo deceptive and over time their ideals affect people.

They constantly distort the news just enough as to confuse people and give people a pessimistic look about the US.

Instead of reporting that "unemployment is at 7.9" They report that "Unemployment is the highest for any incumbent president" or "BLS reports that unemployment has increased since last month, Real unemployment now stands at 16%

These guys are soo sneaky its ridiculous.
 
LordAlu said:
Incredible. Especially the "brainwash klids toward godlessness" remark. What the hell?
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I heard a guy on talk radio the other day complaining that the reason urban areas vote liberal is because all of the schools brainwash children into not being able to think.
 
Opiate said:
Let's take a moment to note how much more diverse Obama's voters are. He won every single demographic -- blacks, latinos, asians, and "other" -- except for whites, and even there his proportion is reasonably close to the national average (he got 56%, national average is %63). Obama's coalition is much more reflective of the broader nation than is Romney's.

I have in my head, personally, something I call "alarm bells," but which other people often refer to as "red flags." That is, there are some facts which do not directly contradict a position I am taking, but certainly make me step back and question whether my conclusions are right or not. Bear with me here.

As an extreme example to clarify the concept, consider a group of people, some of whom have significantly lower than average IQs, while the rest are university professors from a variety of disciplines. We are then asked, "do you believe in X, or Y?" I choose X.

But then, I find that every single person with a low IQ also chose X, while every single college professor chose Y. Now, that is not in itself proof that I am wrong. It is indirect evidence -- it makes an alarm bell go off in my head, asking me, "okay, are you sure about this? Why did you come to this conclusion and is there a reason why such an intelligent, diverse group disagrees with you unanimously?" Perhaps I'd still believe in X anyway, but at the very least I'd stop and think about it.

Back to the point: I would have "alarm bells" going off in my head if I were Republican leaning and saw the above graphs. The fact that my group is so overwhelmingly white, while the Democratic group is composed of a variety of groups (including whites) all coming together to reach a consensus, would make me stop and question whether I haven't made an error.

I point all this out because I have never personally seen these sorts of demo charts give a Republican person pause. I have never seen someone stop and go "huh," the way it would me if I were in that position. Again, I don't mean that it should force people to switch sides and realize the folly of their error and that the democrats are right about everything, as this is all indirect evidence, but it would at least give me pause to reflect on what these demographics mean.
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I'd say, for many people, those graphs are pointless. What you see is whites, blacks, latinos, and so on.

What they see is

 
LordAlu said:
Incredible. Especially the "brainwash klids toward godlessness" remark. What the hell?
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i really hope the gop doubles down on the crazy... fracture the group so much the progressives take hold of the country and we don't have to keep coddling white christian dudes at the expense of our childrens futures
 
I think this election will educate people on the power of social media. If you say something dumb in a room with friends or family, it usually doesn't go too much further and people can forget about. It is something about seeing something typed out on a screen that sticks with people.

I am seeing that today. My father-in-law wrote some ignorant, demeaning crap on his facebook page that has already had a ripple effect and threatens to screw up the family's Thanksgiving plans. I just don't get how people think they can say whatever they want and no one be effected by it.
 
Sister-in-law said:
Saddened by the outcome of the election. Even more sad to know that our country that i love so much is being overtaken by liberals. Elated to know that God has a plan for everything. And so every time I feel the anger when I think we will have to endure another 4 yrs with a non American as our president, I remind myself that He is in control. May God Bless America.
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First commenter: We all have to remind ourselves this this morning. It's very disheartening and scary.
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There are still birthers living in this country. And they are closer than you think...

Brother said:
America how is possible that a president with the terrible 4 Year record continue to be this close. Shame on the republicans for not turning out in droves to take this to the end. Keep our fingers crossed people.
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First Commenter: I'm praying & Chris & I are glued to Fox News!

Brother: Same here, keeping our fingers and everything else crossed.

Second Commenter: Because the alternative is not very good. Fla is 50/50 right now.
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Third Commenter: Lol... If it helps!
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Me: Always hoping for higher turnout, no matter who you vote for. A bummer that our [Tea-Party Republican] governor shortened early voting and didn't want to extend it. Charlie Christ (our last governor, also a Republican, but a moderate, and NOT a part of the Tea-Party), however, did, last time around.

Brother: If it were changed it would give people a reason to call a recall vote so , rules are rules and I think it is the correct call whichever way it turns.

Me: Just glad we don't use hanging chads and all that nonsense any more.
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We live in Florida and there's a history of broken elections down here. I tried to be subtle in trolling him. Maybe even lessen the pain.
But the tears were oh so salty.
Doesn't make sense that he's complaining about turnout when the Republicans have been tightening early voting, not wanting to extend early voting, wanted to make it harder for people to vote in our state, and then members and extensions of the Republican party commit voter fraud in an effort to disenfranchise new voters. Sigh.
 
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