No it isn't, these people have a face. I don't know who the fuck wrote call mary jane rotten crotch for a good time on the inside of a bathroom stall.
Hello There, Racists!
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No it isn't, these people have a face. I don't know who the fuck wrote call mary jane rotten crotch for a good time on the inside of a bathroom stall.
Devolution
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Highlighting their screeds isn't vigilantism. Neither is posting their info. What others do with said info, sure.
monchi-kun
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I didn't know people carved their picture, real name, and other details onto public benches.
seriously, news to me.
I wound up in Chicago after growing up in the south.
I like to think that I always thought it as fucked up to hear "faggot" yelled by completely sober people at baseball games within earshot of children, but it was about 80 times more upsetting when I came back.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I was just thinking....
Could someone do something like what they did here on Tumblr with the Twitter comments except for it with Xbox Live/PSN comments (both voice and messages)? Or would there just be too many to archive?
Could someone do something like what they did here on Tumblr with the Twitter comments except for it with Xbox Live/PSN comments (both voice and messages)? Or would there just be too many to archive?
Half and half
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Hmm, maybe someone should do a "Hello There, homophobe."
Is everyone on Twitter who they claim to be?
Deified Data
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Hrmm.
Far be it from me to judge proponents of this sort of thing. I mock people online all the time - I derive pleasure from their misfortune, or through the delivery of poetic justice. I've been doing it all last week in the election meltdown thread. It's part of our culture.
However, I'd be lying if I said I was doing it out of any reason other than sadistic glee. I wasn't trying to hold up a mirror to people, or show them the error of their ways through mockery. I was doing it because it was fun and funny, and because I'm surrounded by people here who were doing the exact same thing.
I think the same rule applies here. I can understand appreciating this blog out of pure schadenfreude - I know I do - but I think they're lying to themselves if they believe this is actually being done in these people's benefit. The kids on this blog are being posted and commented on because they're sick, sad specimens of society gone haywire, not because we are trying to teach them about consequences through shame and tough love. This information is being posted not because the posters feel it serves a purpose, but because they can, pure and simple.
Again, I'm not judging anyone for indulging in their sadistic side - if that part of your personality bothers you, that's for you to sort out. I'm just saying that some of us could afford to be a bit more honest about it, if only to ourselves.
I will now step off my high horse.
Is everyone in real life who they claim to be?
JustHadToJoin
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I used to slander people who I thought to be gay all the time when I was in high school. That was the culture of the "friends" I had, we hated people who were not like us. IF you didn't hate them, you were with them, and suddenly you had no friends, which means you would forever be a loser (in a high schoolers mind). But now I've done a bunch to help the gay rights, especially during my days at my university, because I Was able to see the error in my ways. Man, if I had been put on blast like this for the idiotic comments I made in high school, I don't think I'd ever have been able to live it down. Would I ever get a job? would I have even been accepted at that university? but today I'm nowhere near that fool that I was back then. A 15, 16, 17 year old's mind is NOT DEVELOPED. please don't ruin their lives for it. This is a terrible tumblr page.
Count Dookkake
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1) Not everyone says racist stuff behind closed doors or in their head.
2) Not everyone goes through some irrational hate phase.
3) If you do either of the former, that does not mean anyone else does.
2) Not everyone goes through some irrational hate phase.
3) If you do either of the former, that does not mean anyone else does.
It is harmful, despite what your blinders and complete lack of perception may indicate to you.
Who gives a shit, you're also wrong. You're apart of the same group as those people who got mad about how much shit Martin Luther King Jr. was stirring up during the Civil Rights movement. Being black and not pointing out racism doesn't make you unbiased, it makes you blind as a god damn bat.
I agree. One can only hope but even that is not a guarantee unless they truly make that change in mentality for themselves correct?
Sad but true. The cycle will carry on unless the individual breaks away from it.
I guess what I'm saying might seem like a "no shit Sherlock" scenario to some but I just think that people are influenced too easily by their environment. To question deep rooted beliefs and the way you feel about certain things is something I hope every individual can do for themselves but I feel many won't bother. Why should we even question when we're living our lives comfortably as we are; with like-minded people like ourselves. Why even risk it? I'm sorry if I seem to be taking this in a different route but I think the root of the problem is ourselves first and foremost. The ability to question and investigate for ourselves is one of the greatest, if not the greatest tool we have as human beings I feel. Such a shame it would be to let it go to waste.
No? And if youre accusing someone of something serious like racism, you better be sure they are not an imposter.
Half and half
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Consider it a bit of collateral damage while the nation straightens out its race problems.
Besides, how many lives have been ruined by racism?
Besides, how many lives have been ruined by racism?
Also, fuck this bullshit. Unless you're personally related to MLK it isn't YOUR history anymore than it is Devo's. It's American history and a part of all of our cultural backgrounds.
Guess what, Internet racism is just racism, and when it involves threats to kill the President, it could also be a federal crime.
Blackace
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Did you just try to claim the civil-rights movement as your personal history?
Well all that preaching went out the window eh
I felt like he was trolling me with that honestly and the I'm black statement, like you cant tell me shit, made me literally face palm.
Phoenix
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Legally no. If you put out a tweet, you intended for it to be heard. You have no expectation of privacy and as such your opinion is the same as if you had shouted it on a street corner. You have the same expectation.
Darkmakaimura
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You did it because you just had to join.
Yeah, a lot of these are kids being stupid kids as usual. However, the adults shouldn't get a pass and I know adults who act like this, unfortunately. I'm not sure if plastering these kids' faces all over Tumblr is a good idea, especially the pics of licenses and other personal info. Isn't that kind of condoning violence, because you know there's going to be people offended (and offended rightfully so) who might decide to pay some of these people a visit. They're dumb, but I'm not sure it warrants them getting the shit beat out of them or worse.
Amibguous Cad
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"Opinion, on this subject, is as efficacious as law; men might as well be imprisoned, as excluded from the means of earning their bread." --John Stuart Mill, On Liberty
Amibguous Cad
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There is no reason for highlighting their address and schools or place of employment except to incite harassment.
As long as they are only reposting public information and no violence or harassment comes of this then I support this idea. People need to be called out for their racism, hate, and ignorance. Society doesn't change if we people can perpetuate their particular brand of crazy without judgement. I hope schools/teachers/parents/employers/potential employers take notice somehow.
BadAss2961
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I'd say they're definitely in for a little harassment.
Half and half
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Teach these lil bigots a lesson now before they learn a much bigger one later when they have a lot more on the line. Like drunken airport racist guy.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I agree with you on everything except why even repost their personal information. The only reason for showing this is to say, "hey, this is who they are. Now go harass them."
People do need to take notice, like you said. Really, the best punishment that could happen is to have their accounts banned.
Amibguous Cad
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The better analogy might be finding compromising photos left in a public locker, then broadcasting them on television. Not all instances of "public" information are created equal. There are still substantial privacy concerns to bring to bear on information that is accessible by anyone, when the ease of access to that information can so significantly impact the context and reaction to it. Attitudes like this just make the Internet less safe.
So let me put this situation to you: I have pictures of myself crossdressing on Facebook. While I'm not ashamed of doing so, it's also not something I would share with co-workers or employers, at least not all of them. I keep my Facebook behind privacy settings, but according to you, it's still a public broadcast. So if a disgruntled friend or ex decided to take those pictures, put them on a separate website, and ensure they were the number one hit on google, would he be doing anything wrong? Would the situation change if I had left my Facebook profile public but relied on the fact that few people would sift through my hundreds of photos to find them?
It's not just her coworkers, but also any chinese people in different places that she has to collaborate with. Even her (jewish) boss says the same thing, she tells me.
Beisdes, I've also heard similar things from some friends who do business with China (importing). They openly monitor for every chance to screw you over and are generally insidious and not trustworthy.
Devolution
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Not that I disagree but it could also be to scare them.
I hope not. Harassment is ugly and personal and likely to only further reinforce their bullshit views.
My hope is that the posting of their personal information leads to their employers, schools, and parents taking notice by being informed by someone. Banning their accounts only shuts off one outlet for their hate and ignorance.
Half and half
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Have not been following this conversation. But my wife does research with plenty of decent Chinese people. Any generalizations belong on that tumblr page.
Phoenix
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That's now what he said at all. In the twitter case there is no expectation of privacy because these people are choosing to tell everyone in the world. In your case there is a reasonable expectation of privacy because you did not disclose that information publicly. As such anyone who decided to pass that information along would be doing so without your consent and could actually be prosecuted. BIG differences in those two scenarios.
From a laymans perspective its similar to getting dressed in front of a window with the shades up and with the shades down. In the former situation, someone could take a picture of you and post it on the Internet without (reasonable) risk of prosecution because you are doing this in full view of the world. What you do in full view of the world has really weak privacy expectations. If you pull the shades down and someone has to take some steps to get that picture of you - that's criminal trespass and invasion of privacy. You took steps to prevent people from getting that information and they went out of their way to do so.
I think it's a part of the culture over there. First generation Chinese are much more like that, whereas the second generation and above are well assimilated to American culture no different than what you'd expect from anyone else.\
I absolutely love Indian people though. They have legendary patience and calmness and we get along really well at my work. I don't really interact with Chinese people myself.
NoirVisage
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wow dude -__-
It's more like you posting a picture of yourself crossdressing on a public bulletin board and complaining about privacy when you find a copy of it on a bulletin board down the block. Or you standing on the corner saying stuff into a bullhorn and getting mad when somebody uses a voice recorder to capture it.
Amibguous Cad
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He specifically said that Facebook is a public broadcast. Perhaps he'd make an exception for privacy settings, but I also know a good many people would say that if I had put myself in a situation where one of 50 people had access to the photos, I should have expected tat someone might get pissed enough to put them in a public place. Some people even say the same about, say, people who send explicit pictures online to just a few individuals, claiming that it's their fault for putting themselves in a vulnerable situation in the first place.
I still think that, even in the situation where the pictures are available on my public Facebook profile, it would still be immoral to post those pictures in a place where they might get noticed by people who would not notice it on my Facebook profile otherwise. Indeed, it is not simply immoral, but a violation of my privacy to bring this "publicly" available information to the attention of an employer or co-worker that would not otherwise have seen it. And so too is this a violation of privacy, however nominally public twitter may be.
I don't think that's true. From this article on Lifehacker...
http://lifehacker.com/5912250/know-your-rights-photography-in-public
wickedcapedkid
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Almost all of these people are just ignorant high school kids from red states. Not very surprising. I hate to say it but just give them a break. It's not even worth the time reading.
wickedcapedkid
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This.
NoirVisage
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Bump that, if they grow up thinking this mentality has zero consequences, they'll carry it into adulthood, deciding the future of people who may happen to be black or another minority and make their decision based on poisonous thinking.. they deserve any non-violent fallout their words incite
Ninja Scooter
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Someone who thinks it's okay at the age of 16 to think that black people are inferior and/or deserve to die are not just immature teens. That's not something that is likely to go away at 26 or 36 or 46. And if their lives are ruined because of stupid, hateful shit THEY WILLFULLY POSTED ONLINE FOR THE WORLD TO SEE than tough shit. I'll save my sympathy and compassion for people that deserve even an ounce of it. If this means that these kids' lives are fucked and I don't have to worry about one of these wastes one day being the cop that pulls me over, or the judge that presides over me, or the person that interviews me for a job, or the person that is my kids' elementary teacher, then society is better off for it. Darwin's law at it's finest.
Are children not reprimanded when they say hurtful things to each other or threaten each other? Don't parents normally spend quite a significant amount of time teaching children the rights and wrongs of the world? If they are too young now, at what age should we start caring about the ideas that are being perpetuated in our society?
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