Hello There, Racists!
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An they won't learn unless they receive punishment, duh.
Wrong. That's exactly what they deserve. When you use racial slurs publicly, you're going to be shamed and ridiculed. Racists deserve to be called on their racism, rather than left alone to believe they've done nothing wrong.
If you made the same racist comments in this thread, what do you think the response would be before you got banned?
Angelus Errare
Banned
Really? So if I lived in some god forsaken backwater town where beating women was all I knew and I then stepped into the real world and was beating women I shouldn't be punished?
Not that I agree with what you were responding to, but beating a women is illegal. In the US, being a racist isn't.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Sure, but as a person who doesn't know better. I wouldn't know it's illegal since it's all I know. Much like the people being racists wouldn't know it's...racist since it's all they know.
thetrin
Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
Couldn't have said it better myself.
polyh3dron
Banned
Welp, the site had a good run.
Angelus Errare
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FieryBalrog
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Social media, and GAF as well, is beginning to disgust me.
Yes, this is a great idea, because we all know that mobs of people are great at telling the difference between "this is a disgusting opinion" and "this is an unpopular opinion". Or "this is a provocative opinion". Not to mention, "this is a disgusting opinion" changes pretty rapidly in our society. This isn't a matter of what is legal. It's a matter of what is ethical. Being unethical in reponse to something you find offensive doesn't magically become ethical. "People are responsible for what they say" - and yet, people are also responsible for acting like an unpleasant mob. One doesn't free you from the other.
Welcome to the hysteria of "social media".
I'm non-white and I say provocative things about white people every now and then. It's a good thing I'm currently on the right side of the social police for now, eh?
Yeah, it actually kinda does.
Yes, this is a great idea, because we all know that mobs of people are great at telling the difference between "this is a disgusting opinion" and "this is an unpopular opinion". Or "this is a provocative opinion". Not to mention, "this is a disgusting opinion" changes pretty rapidly in our society. This isn't a matter of what is legal. It's a matter of what is ethical. Being unethical in reponse to something you find offensive doesn't magically become ethical. "People are responsible for what they say" - and yet, people are also responsible for acting like an unpleasant mob. One doesn't free you from the other.
Welcome to the hysteria of "social media".
I'm non-white and I say provocative things about white people every now and then. It's a good thing I'm currently on the right side of the social police for now, eh?
Yeah, it actually kinda does.
Looks like some 4chon(?) posters started an email campaign complaining to Tumblr about the site
http://4chon.net/new/res/2594916.html
http://4chon.net/new/res/2594916.html
Wonder if them putting the Chairman of Maine's Republican party on there had anything to do with it lol.
FieryBalrog
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Doing otherwise is a self-contradiction in terms and a dangerous road towards suppression of minority opinions and viewpoints.
FieryBalrog
Member
That's very interesting. I never realized many of the people were actual racists who say very racist things.
It's a good thing we now have the Race-o-meter to make these decisions for us objectively and keep us on the right track.
You're a true champion of free speech, and I respect you.
Keep making sure that real free speech, like hate speech, can be shouted from the mountain tops, and that lesser free speech, like the denunciation of hate speech, is suppressed, lest some Confederate flag waving "recovering Klansmen" think that he should probably keep his hate rhetoric to himself.
Barbacoatl
Banned
A mob of racist sociopaths, or a mob of concerned citizens.
Pick your venom.
Pick your venom.
FieryBalrog
Member
True, this is after all about the "denunciation of hate speech" and not "roving mob of social media users posts identifying info about minors in an effort to shame them and try and get people fired."
It's a good thing we still have those pillories and stocks around from 400 years ago. I don't think it's very harsh to put a racist like that on display for a few hours. Racism like that is much worse than a little public shaming, and if you can't reliably trust the judgment of a mob of people, who CAN you trust? We need to crowdsource the justice system in this country IMO.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
If you dont want to be shamed then dont say racist things.Its that simple.
FieryBalrog
Member
Sorry, I don't trust a large mob of mostly white, Eurocentric internet users to determine what is "racist" and what isn't.
... I hope that wasn't on "the List".
Again, someone who thinks that simply shining light on a racist is some act of cruelty. I don't get people like you. Their posts were public. Their information public. Their photos public. Tell me what part of the Tumblr do you think just wasn't fair?
Barbacoatl
Banned
Wow, I want your browser see-through technology!
How do I look by the way, does the jacket fit me nice?
TheContact
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i guess free speech doesn't work both ways. you can say whatever you want but when it comes back in their face they cry about it
The lack of transparency, accountability and verification. Personally, I don't like the anonymous nature of it. You want to shine a light on these people, fine, but at least put your name to it.
Like I said, it just seems like some speech is "free-er" than others.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
As an expert on racism,I have found that those tweets to be racist.
What kind of verification would you be looking for?
Anything that proves the person on twitter is who they claim to be. There is nothing preventing anyone from making fake accounts and posting racist tweets.
There was also no appeal process on the original site (the new one says you can email him and he'll post the email verbatim, but whether that is actually the case remains to be seen).
Being a racist is serious business, but so is accusing people of being racist - this isn't something that should be taken lightly, and done in such an anonymous manner with no checks and balance.
So these people are now imprisoned by chains and defenseless against physical abuse? Do you really believe that? This is why I asked the question earlier, if you think what was done to them was wrong then what exactly do you think was done to them. All these posts were put out with the identifying information attached to them by the poster. "A mob" collects the information and posts it, and the mob is responsible if the information is damaging? I am missing part of the logical chain where repeating public statements becomes unethical.
Devolution
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One has to wonder how they are also treating their peers. All the more reason to shame their racist attitudes.
FieryBalrog
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I am going to keep this short because I'm on my phone, but the post above yours is a good one. On top of that, posting publicly released statements- presumably real- is substantially different from then going and attaching personal info to it specifically. The availability of the info is not te issue. The combination- and the obvious intent and possibilities for ill use- are. (I'm sure posing name and address is ripe for positive use, yea?)
The verification of the info? Who knows. Thousands of viewers aren't going to go vet the info. The only thing they will likely do with it- even if not often- is misuse it. The "public shaming" aspect of it is overblown and ripe for getting nasty. The whole thing is simply the wrong direction to take- and it's not jus this particular incident either, yea? This sort of campaign has been growing in popularity, such as the recent spare of this in he UK that was posted just a few days ago, which ended up having official consequences as well - something at leat absent in the American case.
Yea, this thing about being racist is okay but listing publicly existing information under a single webpage somehow presents an issue.
So much for "freedom of expression".
FieryBalrog
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Ok GAF- let's do a thought experiment. Same thig happens, but instead of racists, the blog collates People who matched and protested with those signs that said things like "Kill those who insult the Prophet". As you can imagine, most of these are goin to be Muslims. Name and address and all that are publicly available so of course it's ok to attach them. Should also try to get them fired. After all, these are blatantly bigoted people who want to violently kill people who offend them and whose definition of "insult" is incredibly loose- at best.
Sounds like a good plan?
Sounds like a good plan?
Devolution
Member
You're trying much too hard dude.
Do you come here often?
FieryBalrog
Member
Why? You should think about it.
Barbacoatl
Banned
Those people did get in trouble iirc.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
What?
FieryBalrog
Member
If they did, which i dont remember, they shouldn't have.
How many of these potential individuals do you think would reside in US?
Also, if it were up to me, I don't know if I'd get them fired but I would certainly make it a point to avoid them. If their belief, however, flowed into and along the lines of being muslim makes them superior to their neighbours and they publicly dehumanize non-muslims on twitter and FB then I am all for similar treatment via collating and listing the names and tweets etc. Faith should never be a potential ground for discrimination against others.
Barbacoatl
Banned
Awww, sorry about that.
Devolution
Member
Think about what some silly hypothetical? Or the false equivalencies? Or the "omg someone might go to the lengths of impersonating someone else and posting racist screeds under their identity"?
Reach for the sky because if you should happen to miss, you'll still be among the stars.
Racists not only get free speech they get freedom from consequences. Whoa. Tubular.
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