Wii U eBay resale / sellout / availability discussion

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WiiFit
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WiiPlay
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Nope, don't see how anyone could get confused.

+1.

I recently overheard a group of students in my university's library talking about 'the Wii's new controller with a screen in it', and my girlfriend has also asked me how much the 'new controllers' were.

She was thinking of buying it for her mum's Wii. Oh boy.
 
Yes I would love to see responses to this, because this is by far the most likely scenario.

I think its a good start but it then shifts to how quickly the other games are coming out and if the Wii U can continue to generate excitement through spring.

+1.

I recently overheard a group of students in my university's library talking about 'the Wii's new controller with a screen in it', and my girlfriend has also asked me how much the 'new controllers' were.

She was thinking of buying it for her mum's Wii. Oh boy.

Its honestly the most logical conclusion. The balance board, Wii Motion + were all handled like big "NEW" additions to the system. Nintendo has trained people to expect innovation to happen around the Wii console so when they see a controller with a screen in it, well it makes sense.
 
I don't understand why they didn't call it Wii 2. That would've cleared up a lot of confusion in the general public.

Wii 2 or Super Wii were clearly the way they should have gone.

But, it's Nintendo, and they do their own thing, sometimes to their detriment.
 
Wii 2 or Super Wii were clearly the way they should have gone.

But, it's Nintendo, and they do their own thing, sometimes to their detriment.

Super Wii hands down. Would have been such a great throwback. Seeing as how NSMBU has so much in common with Super Mario World it would have been even more appropriate.
 
Super Wii hands down. Would have been such a great throwback. Seeing as how NSMBU has so much in common with Super Mario World it would have been even more appropriate.

That was my choice, too. :(

I mean, it's a clear indicator that it's a new system.
 
So, if Nintendo ship more units for launch than they did with Wii, and it sells more than Wii did, but doesn't sell out - is that a success or a failure?

If you're talking this holiday season, failure. Because this should be low lying fruit they have no problem collecting. It means the first half of next year is going to be brutal if true.
 
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WiiSports
WiiFit
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WiiParty
WiiPlay
WiiU

Nope, don't see how anyone could get confused.

But you are forgetting that nintendo isn't only marketing this thing towards casuals who wouldn't no any better. This is a games console we are talking about. As long as the actual gamers know what it is and can tell the difference between this and the regular wii it should be fine. The mass market can find out what this thing is later
 
I think Pachter doomed this device by saying it was going to be sold out till March. Since that guys word is so ironclad I assume everyone just threw their hands in the air and didn't even bother to try and get one.
 
Xbox
Xbox360

iPad
iPad2
New iPad

iPhone4
iPhone4S
IPhone5

None of those naming conventions caused confusion for any of those models?

Given that both Microsoft and Apple have the ability to actually market a device and make sure everyone knows what's coming, no, they didn't.
 
So, if Nintendo ship more units for launch than they did with Wii, and it sells more than Wii did, but doesn't sell out - is that a success or a failure?

The goal for launch is to sell everything you ship. This is a reasonable goal. You're selling to the faithful, and you're not shipping that much. Insert Sony's "sell 5 million without games" comment prior to PS3. Therefore, the comparison point is not against the Wii or any prior console, it is against supply.

Now, if by some miracle Nintendo has far outshipped any other console at launch in history, then perhaps the goal deserves revision.

These are the things we will have to wait and see. And, truthfully, January through around April will probably be more revealing than this launch period (barring disaster, which I don't realistically foresee).

Xbox
Xbox360

iPad
iPad2
New iPad

iPhone4
iPhone4S
IPhone5

None of those naming conventions caused confusion for any of those models?

Are you a joke character? Be honest.
 
Xbox
Xbox360

iPad
iPad2
New iPad

iPhone4
iPhone4S
IPhone5

None of those naming conventions caused confusion for any of those models?

Some people have trouble period. During the Apple-Samsung patent trial, it came out that 15% of people or so who bought Galaxy Tablets returned them because they weren't Ipads. Seriously. (although I could be off on the percentages).
 
Have they started selling Gamepad controllers separately yet? If they have, or if/when they do, I can imagine there's going to be a lot of pissed off customers who bought one thinking it was the new Wii controller or something.
 
I don't understand why they didn't call it Wii 2. That would've cleared up a lot of confusion in the general public.

Here's my theory on why they didn't call it Wii 2: They needed a name that could attach to the end of the title for games; New Super Mario Bros U, Mario Kart U, Kirby U, Donkey Kong U, whatever other garb they rehash. What other explanation could there be? I refuse to believe a multi-billion dollar company like Ninty could not have realized right away how big of a problem the name would be. Hell, they had a full year of people saying it could be an issue and never changed it. E3 2012 should have been the unveiling of a new name among other new things, kind of a re-reveal.
 
Here's my theory on why they didn't call it Wii 2: They needed a name that could attach to the end of the title for games; New Super Mario Bros U, Mario Kart U, Kirby U, Donkey Kong U, whatever other garb they rehash. What other explanation could there be? I refuse to believe a multi-billion dollar company like Ninty could not have realized right away how big of a problem the name would be. Hell, they had a full year of people saying it could be an issue and never changed it. E3 2012 should have been the unveiling of a new name among other new things, kind of a re-reveal.

U isn't exactly a good moniker, could have just as easily called it Wii 2, Super wii, Nintendo 6, or some other name and then made the games have an HD or some other phrase in place. It's also not as if every Nintendo game even bothers, kirby, donkey kong, mario, zelda, etc do not usually follow those conventions for example, only at times do they, like Mario wii or Super metroid.
 
Saw some just sitting in the case @ Toys R Us today. Either Nintendo shipped far more Wii U's than Wii's or no one gives a shit about it (comparatively). Hard to believe that a day after Black Friday you can still find one in a store with a modest amount of effort. What a change from 6 years ago.

Apple and Samsung have really changed the game.
 
The goal for launch is to sell everything you ship. This is a reasonable goal. You're selling to the faithful, and you're not shipping that much. Insert Sony's "sell 5 million without games" comment prior to PS3. Therefore, the comparison point is not against the Wii or any prior console, it is against supply.

Now, if by some miracle Nintendo has far outshipped any other console at launch in history, then perhaps the goal deserves revision.

These are the things we will have to wait and see. And, truthfully, January through around April will probably be more revealing than this launch period (barring disaster, which I don't realistically foresee).



Are you a joke character? Be honest.
I think its a fair point to make in reference to what I quoted. No jokes about it.
 
Here's my theory on why they didn't call it Wii 2: They needed a name that could attach to the end of the title for games; New Super Mario Bros U, Mario Kart U, Kirby U, Donkey Kong U, whatever other garb they rehash. What other explanation could there be? I refuse to believe a multi-billion dollar company like Ninty could not have realized right away how big of a problem the name would be. Hell, they had a full year of people saying it could be an issue and never changed it. E3 2012 should have been the unveiling of a new name among other new things, kind of a re-reveal.

To be fair they've been doing the "attach name" since the Super Nintendo, it just kind of works.

And why even call it a Wii anything for that matter? It isn't the Wii again it is something else
 
Xbox
Xbox360

iPad
iPad2
New iPad

iPhone4
iPhone4S
IPhone5

None of those naming conventions caused confusion for any of those models?

Throw the Apple comparisons out the window because they are different product lines, and also because their market and user base has been conditioned to expect a new product every year, or in the case of the phones thanks in part to carrier contracts, every 2 years. All people want is the "new" iPad or iPhone regardless of what it's really called.

Xbox is a more apt comparison, and look at how much MS worked to completely change the image of the Xbox when they launched the 360. Changed the image of the system, the colors, the style, hell even the font of the name, which is something Nintendo couldn't be bothered to do. Even if there isn't any confusion as to whether or not it's a new system, it does IMO lose some of the luster of a "new piece of hardware" when the system name and design is so similar to the one people bought almost 6 years ago.
 
Have they started selling Gamepad controllers separately yet? If they have, or if/when they do, I can imagine there's going to be a lot of pissed off customers who bought one thinking it was the new Wii controller or something.
I'm glad they didn't at this point
 
So I was at chuck e cheese with my daughter a few hours ago and on a whim I went next door to gamespot and landed a wii u deluxe. I asked the guy if these are rare and he says that the shipments are low but the demand has been lower than expected. Pure anecdotedal but there it is.
 
U isn't exactly a good moniker, could have just as easily called it Wii 2, Super wii, Nintendo 6, or some other name and then made the games have an HD or some other phrase in place. It's also not as if every Nintendo game even bothers, kirby, donkey kong, mario, zelda, etc do not usually follow those conventions for example, only at times do they, like Mario wii or Super metroid.

To be fair they've been doing the "attach name" since the Super Nintendo, it just kind of works.

And why even call it a Wii anything for that matter? It isn't the Wii again it is something else

They probably thought abandoning the brand name that got you a hundred million console sales wasn't a good idea and I can't blame em. I doubt any other company would've done different.
 
To be fair they've been doing the "attach name" since the Super Nintendo, it just kind of works.

And why even call it a Wii anything for that matter? It isn't the Wii again it is something else

They have been, but it's always been to a limited extent and with no real consistency. Honestly, how many Nintendo published games really bothered? The 64 seemed to be the system they used this the most on but I could be wrong, the Super Nintendo did it sometimes, and the cube did it.. Never, and the Wii line pretty much only kept the scheme for casual games. It doesn't come off to me like Nintendo would make confusion over a system just to give a naming convention to a few games, especially one that's crap.

Edit: They didn't need to abandon the Wii name, just call it the Wii HD, wii next, wii 2, super wii, wii 6, or something, anything but Wii U which is a stupid name that has confused even hardcore gamers (many people on this very forum did not know it was a new console at its first reveal)
 
They probably thought abandoning the brand name that got you a hundred million console sales wasn't a good idea and I can't blame em. I doubt any other company would've done different.

They could have had it both ways. "U" is too ambiguous. That's the problem. Combined with the fact that a) the actual new console is not front & centre and b) looks a lot like a Wii.
 
Whatever the case, they can't change the name now, or the specs for that matter. To be blunt, I think this thing is in serious trouble. I doubt it's going to be a 3DS situation where it has a slow start and then sky rockets for a couple reasons:
1) Handheld and console market overall just aren't comparable
2) Nintendo has barely any competition in the handheld market. There's no Microsoft handheld and the Vita has issues. It's a completely different story for home consoles, the competition will be very fierce.
 
Whatever the case, they can't change the name now, or the specs for that matter. To be blunt, I think this thing is in serious trouble. \.

I'm just a broken record at this point, but if baffles me how people can say this stuff with a straight face without having any hard numbers from the one territory the system has launched in.
 
Maybe it's the numbers that differentiate the models

You mean like "The New iPad"?

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or "iPad with Retina display"?

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Why didn't Apple just name them iPad 3 or iPad 4? How come nobody's complaining about the naming scheme confusing the public?
 
Unless Microsoft goes batshit insane with the Kinect and the majority of its titles are casual Kinect garb, I just can't see Nintendo beating them next gen, or Sony for that matter. Microsoft is a behemoth and has all the momentum heading into next gen.
 
You mean like "The New iPad"?

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or "iPad with Retina display"?

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Why didn't Apple just name them iPad 3 or iPad 4?

Are you seriously comparing Apples marketing to Nintendos?

Because if you are.... smh.

Apple are probably one of the only companies that could get away without changing the name and still not cause too much confusion.
 
Nintendo already faced this problem once before with the 3DS being confused as a DS with 3D and I think they realized over time and once word of mouth got around, it wouldn't be an issue in the long run. It's a short term issue that Nintendo probably feels will go away after the initial launch and it's in people's hands.
 
You mean like "The New iPad"?

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or "iPad with Retina display"?

ipad-4-retina-display.jpg


Why didn't Apple just name them iPad 3 or iPad 4? How come nobody's complaining about the naming scheme confusing the public?

Because when Apple launches a produce, everybody and their mother knows about it. It's all over every blog, news site and TV show. There is no confusion. Also by now, Apple's consumer base knows to expect a new iPad or iPhone every year. They dont' have to wonder when the next one comes out. If you bought your iPad last year there's a new one out. That's just how it is. People are not conditioned the same way about video game hardware.
 
I'm just a broken record at this point, but if baffles me how people can say this stuff with a straight face without having any hard numbers from the one territory the system has launched in.

Some people said the same thing about the Vita before it released.
 
I think no conclusions can be drawn yet about the Wii U. We need to follow it's performance for a couple of months in order to assess the market response to it.
 
I took a trip to Target today to finally get NSMB:U and for the first time the gaming department had people in it. It felt like I was back in 2006-2008 again. Yea, it's the day after black friday but none of these guys were in the PS3/360 department. There were 2-3 families checking out the U. All of the deluxes were sold out but there were still a bunch of basics.

I thought they did a really good job marketing so far. The console looked attractive and the games were set up nice (a contrast to 3DS which is all mixed in with the regular DS games). They had the games available to look at in 3 different areas. They just need to make the damn thing playable.
 
I think it's important to really understand why the Wii succeeded, and to understand the expectations the successor could even have. In my opinion it would be impossible for the Wii U to do much more than half of what the Wii did numbers wise, simply because the wii exploded due to Wii sports. Wii sports was EVERYWHERE, the system was purchased at large to play that game and that game alone. It attracted a lot of non gamers, but as we saw they didn't tend to buy many games, some IP succeeded like Wii sports, Wii fit, Just dance, and then companies like MS and Sony jumped in (with some success it seems) to eat their lunch. The Wii sold to casual moms who barely buy games, kids, and hardcore Nintendo fans. The same fans that made the Gamecube era profitable for Nintendo, will be able to do the same for Wii U I imagine. The system should still sell at least 2x the cube, or half the Wii, probably ranking as Nintendo's second or third best selling system in the end, and if it has a short life span (I'm guessing 4-5 years while they launch a system to equal the MS/Sony stack in time) then that's more than enough to be a money maker for them. I very much believe Nintendo wants to be in their own generation while still being able to catch the others off guard.

I think people are being unfair to Nintendo though, it's not easy to just make an industry changing system or game, and they managed to do so in one shot with the last system, but you can't do that on a whim every time. I'm just sad that they didn't continue their push to expand and enhance motion controls and instead opted for a much less interesting touch screen mechanic that seems much like the Wii, not as valuable or neat in practice as it might be in concept. Nintendo has failed in one way with the Wii U, and that's creating a captivating way to really use the concept out of the box. Wii sports might have been largely inaccurate and smoke and mirrors, but it gave the illusion of something while being pretty convincing and still using new technology, but it never got to reach its full potential and to me, the Wii U seems like a step back in that sense. I can imagine much more compelling uses of a perfected Wii remote than a touch screen controller. Of the time I've spent with the Wii U, i'm not seeing it doing a lot of things the DS and modern day phones haven't already done, motion controls were new and exciting even if they didn't pan out well, and this console was never exciting to me on that level, only to finally get an HD Nintendo platform with a controller with more buttons.

Probably not the best place to rant, but I don't think Wii U is doomed, it just won't be another smash hit that initially dwarfs the Playstation 2 in popularity, for awhile the Wii looked like it would become the highest selling system of all time.
 
I think it's important to really understand why the Wii succeeded, and to understand the expectations the successor could even have. In my opinion it would be impossible for the Wii U to do much more than half of what the Wii did numbers wise, simply because the wii exploded due to Wii sports. Wii sports was EVERYWHERE, the system was purchased at large to play that game and that game alone. It attracted a lot of non gamers, but as we saw they didn't tend to buy many games, some IP succeeded like Wii sports, Wii fit, Just dance, and then companies like MS and Sony jumped in (with some success it seems) to eat their lunch. The Wii sold to casual moms who barely buy games, kids, and hardcore Nintendo fans. The same fans that made the Gamecube era profitable for Nintendo, will be able to do the same for Wii U I imagine. The system should still sell at least 2x the cube, or half the Wii, probably ranking as Nintendo's second or third best selling system in the end, and if it has a short life span (I'm guessing 4-5 years while they launch a system to equal the MS/Sony stack in time) then that's more than enough to be a money maker for them. I very much believe Nintendo wants to be in their own generation while still being able to catch the others off guard.

I think people are being unfair to Nintendo though, it's not easy to just make an industry changing system or game, and they managed to do so in one shot with the last system, but you can't do that on a whim every time. I'm just sad that they didn't continue their push to expand and enhance motion controls and instead opted for a much less interesting touch screen mechanic that seems much like the Wii, not as valuable or neat in practice as it might be in concept. Nintendo has failed in one way with the Wii U, and that's creating a captivating way to really use the concept out of the box. Wii sports might have been largely inaccurate and smoke and mirrors, but it gave the illusion of something while being pretty convincing and still using new technology, but it never got to reach its full potential and to me, the Wii U seems like a step back in that sense. I can imagine much more compelling uses of a perfected Wii remote than a touch screen controller. Of the time I've spent with the Wii U, i'm not seeing it doing a lot of things the DS and modern day phones haven't already done, motion controls were new and exciting even if they didn't pan out well, and this console was never exciting to me on that level, only to finally get an HD Nintendo platform with a controller with more buttons.

Probably not the best place to rant, but I don't think Wii U is doomed, it just won't be another smash hit that initially dwarfs the Playstation 2 in popularity, for awhile the Wii looked like it would become the highest selling system of all time.

the Rock Band/Guitar Hero fad hitting it's peak right alongside Wii Sports really helped the system out too. Getting together for video game parties was an "in" thing to do, both for young people and families. That's not the case anymore, and I think we can all agree NintendoLand probably isn't going to reignite that any time soon.
 
You mean like "The New iPad"?

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or "iPad with Retina display"?

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Why didn't Apple just name them iPad 3 or iPad 4? How come nobody's complaining about the naming scheme confusing the public?

i know this is kinda OT but I thought "the new ipad"(ipad 3) WAS the ipad with retina display
 
I don't think get togethers have become unpopular, there are just less reasons to do it with games for now. Games like Just dance still sell tons, there just isn't many games coming to do that, and Nintendo land just seems very low key as a release.
 
You mean like "The New iPad"?

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or "iPad with Retina display"?

ipad-4-retina-display.jpg


Why didn't Apple just name them iPad 3 or iPad 4? How come nobody's complaining about the naming scheme confusing the public?

When Apple launch products, they break them down on every detail; new features, specs, price, availability, etc. to the point where no-one is at all confused as to what's coming out.

There's no way anyone would make the "Wii U is a tablet controller for the Wii" mistake after an Apple keynote. It took Nintendo two years of E3 conferences to confuse the hell out of everyone and leave more questions than answers. That's not how you launch consumer electronics in 2012.
 
So, if Nintendo ship more units for launch than they did with Wii, and it sells more than Wii did, but doesn't sell out - is that a success or a failure?
I'm not going to say much about success or not (i dont think that the initial performance is that much to go by, it is the long term that matters the most and things could change as time goes by), but WiiU comes off a mega successful console, the Wii did not. Personally i factor this in, same was it with the PS3 coming off the PS2, and the 3DS coming off the DS.
 
Saw some just sitting in the case @ Toys R Us today. Either Nintendo shipped far more Wii U's than Wii's or no one gives a shit about it (comparatively). Hard to believe that a day after Black Friday you can still find one in a store with a modest amount of effort. What a change from 6 years ago.

Did some Christmas shopping today and I was really surprised to see them in the case in every store I went to that had an electronics department. I expected them to be hard to find until after the holidays. There does seem to be some confusion, I've overheard quite a few people refer to it as a "that new controller for the Wii". Even some of my relatives that own a Wii didn't know it was a new console until I told them.
 
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