College Football Week 14 - Conference Championship Games and Pseudo Championships

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The Big 12 is not in a prime position to be gobbling up teams, they're just as likely to get pillaged. The "grant of rights" has as much chance of holding as the ACC's exit fee. They're in a calm place for the moment, but it wasn't long ago that the potential leftovers were thinking of merging with the leftovers of the Big East. That could still happen.

I'm just ready for this whole thing to be done. Blow it up, piece it together. I might keep watching, but I don't know.
 
mre said:
Is the SEC-B12 bowl deal still contingent on the B12 team playing a conference championship game? Or did that all go out the window when they handwaved the champions bowl into the Sugar?
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I've been assuming the CCG was still needed, which is why the apparent apathy towards expanding concerns me.

KingGondo said:
No current Big 12 school is in danger of leaving for at least a decade because of the grant of rights signed this year.

It's not the end of the world if we stay at 10, but since money is what this is all about I have a hard time believing the conference couldn't get a better TV deal by adding schools like FSU, Clemson, and Miami.
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Right, there's the GOR and all, but I'm probably just a worrier and concerned that it may not be as ironclad as hoped. I also really hope that the conference isn't using it as an excuse to not worry about expansion since "nobody can leave anyway."
 
GoldenEye 007 said:
Look what happened to the BE after staying at 8 teams for so long...

Texas will get overruled if the ACC teams are in reaching distance in regards to the exit fee being reduced. No way it is smart for the Big XII to stay at 10 if pretty much all other conferences are at 14-16 schools.
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I agree that it puts the Big 12 at somewhat of a disadvantage. The other conferences might be perceived to be stronger, since there's a better shot of there being 5-6 strong teams per year (like in the SEC right now with UF, UGA, USCe, LSU, Bama, and Aggy). Nobody cares about the weak teams if there's perceived strength at the top.

As long as preseason rankings are so important, I think it's important to have marquee names. If we have a bunch of top 10-ish teams preseason, we'll be penalized less when they start to lose to each other (just like this year in the SEC).
 
mre said:
So, the AFCA released its All-Americans list today and the QB is, of course, Johnny Manziel.



Wait, no it's not. It's Tajh Boyd.
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The Rise of Tajh.
 
KingGondo said:
I would like that, but I always assumed VT would join the SEC. If anything I'd rather replace GT with VT.

Miami is a good school and still has a national brand in football.
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Lol, dude there's a reason Al Golden wants to go to BC.

Biggest story of the 21th century is the downfall of Miami.
 
Looavull is an upgrade from Maryland in football and basketball, no doubt, but otherwise I'd argue that it's a mild downgrade.

It's a perpetual second fiddle in a very small state, and it's definitely an academic downgrade from Maryland.
 
Man, as an alum of an ACC school, I can't believe we're slumming it with Lolsville. What dark, dark days are upon us.
 
So, convince NC State and VaTech to join the SEC and then you don't have to worry about it anymore.

Use those lawyer skills you have.
 
Ganhyun said:
So, convince NC State and VaTech to join the SEC and then you don't have to worry about it anymore.

Use those lawyer skills you have.
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And tank the football reputation of my beloved SEC? What chu smoking?
Azwethinkweiz said:
He did have a pretty amazing season though. Sans two very important games.
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It's not that Boyd isn't a good quarterback, it's just a weird selection given the other choices out there.
 
mre said:
And tank the football reputation of my beloved SEC? What chu smoking?

It's not that Boyd isn't a good quarterback, it's just a weird selection given the other choices out there.
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He is a weird pick. Like you said, not a bad quarterback, I just wouldn't have picked him.
 
zyxwvu4321 said:
I'm more concerned that it's Texas that wouldn't want to expand, and that TCU, TTU, and Baylor would vote along with them for whatever dumbshit reason.
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While they're still pretty obviously the big dog in the Big XII I don't think you're going to see all the other schools follow their line word for word like they did last time expansion came around, mainly because the other Texas schools aren't in "we could be in the WAC next week if we don't take care of this" mode anymore. Tech has already told UT to screw off in a couple of situations, my favorite being when we said that if our Texas State game was going to be broadcast on LHN we would cancel it and just play an 11 game season.
 
Draxal said:
Lol, dude there's a reason Al Golden wants to go to BC.

Biggest story of the 21th century is the downfall of Miami.
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Who says Al Golden wants to go to BC? You? Some internet cracker jack box? At least our team had reached a point to have a downfall.
 
Kind of Dumb Urban didnt win B1G coach of the year, took a 6-7 team to 12-0. Guess it will be just like Tress, who never won it eithe, Victim of their own success.
 
Cyan said:
So, congrats to lolsville on staving off disaster!
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BertramCooper said:
Looavull is an upgrade from Maryland in football and basketball, no doubt, but otherwise I'd argue that it's a mild downgrade.

It's a perpetual second fiddle in a very small state, and it's definitely an academic downgrade from Maryland.
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mre said:
Man, as an alum of an ACC school, I can't believe we're slumming it with Lolsville. What dark, dark days are upon us.
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I hate you all :)

We blow Maryland out of the water.
 
You would think if the Big12 wanted to expand, this would be an opportune time to pursue some schools. I'm still not convinced that AD's across the Big12 are aware of the Champions Bowl stipulations, otherwise you would have to believe there would be some sense of urgency. Alas, not even a mumble.
 
Can we all stop pretending that academics really matter to anybody outside of a board of trustees or president's office? Welcome to the ACC, Louisville. I can't believe Swofford actually made the right call and took you over UCONN.

In other news, it looks like Mark Stoops might be taking FSU's offensive coordinator (James Coley) with him to Kentucky. That's awesome, since Coley didn't really do anything other than recruit here, and it will basically force Jimbo to hire a real OC that calls plays.
 
jjasper said:
I am pretty sure the only people that have ever said academics and were serious are B1G fans when they lose in a bowl game.
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FTFY

KingGondo said:
Don't forget Georgia Tech fans.

I'm mainly rooting for the Big 12 to get GT just because it would annoy yellowjacket25 so damn much.
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True. Falling back on saying "at least we don't sacrifice academics for sports" is a copout. Every program has lower requirements for athletes, and GT in particular targets many of the same players as other schools. They just don't get them.
 
As an ACC fan, Louisville was the school I really wanted to replace Maryland! :D

Ace 8095 said:
I'd guess the sunbelt will be inviting app state and georgia southern to fill the new openings.
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Damnit. As an App State alum, I am sad to see them move to a larger conference. This will increase the fees the student body is forced to pay. They already spend close to $1000 a year on athletics, and now that will only rise....
 
KingGondo said:
Don't forget Georgia Tech fans.

I'm mainly rooting for the Big 12 to get GT just because it would annoy yellowjacket25 so damn much.
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It would be annoying but I could tolerate it if we went with a group. Like if Fla St, Clemson, and Miami went with us. I don't really want to join any conference and be out on an island playing teams we have never really played before.
 
We can barely get through the ACC with a winning record. Fuck, we would be a cellar dwellar in the Big 12 with the sanctions coming down.
 
Interesting article by Dennis Dodd about why the Big 12 may be happy to stay at 10 teams:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...-with-10-amid-the-latest-round-of-realignment

He makes some good points, but I also think he's underestimating how much new revenue the conference could bring in with new TV markets along the east coast and Florida. Those are huge population centers.

I had also never heard of this supposed "gentleman's agreement" with the SEC (that we wouldn't poach any teams from SEC territory (FSU, Clemson, GT) unless they made a move to expand further first).
 
andycapps said:
True. Falling back on saying "at least we don't sacrifice academics for sports" is a copout. Every program has lower requirements for athletes, and GT in particular targets many of the same players as other schools. They just don't get them.
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GT has a lot of issues related to recruiting. Its a little foolish to say that academic requirements do not affect us though. We had to withdraw an offer last year from a kid with a 3.0 GPA who spoke three languages because his ACT score wasn't high enough.
 
Louisville by 4 (ACCACCACCACCACC)
Northern Illinois by 4
Stanford by 7
Oklahoma by 11
Oklahoma State by 7
UCF by 4
West Virginia by 24
Arkansas State by 7
Boise State by 4
Cincinnati by 13
Georgia by 4
Pittsburgh by 13
Kansas State by 11
Florida State by 27
Nebraska by 4
 
Gloomfire said:
Who says Al Golden wants to go to BC? You? Some internet cracker jack box? At least our team had reached a point to have a downfall.
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Yes, I have the pull to force him to deny any interest in BC's opening in a press conference. I'm actually kinda sad about your team's downfall, because Miami is going to be the next sacrificial lamb to the NCAA's powermongering (and that's the only reason Golden would want out).

StrikerObi said:
Can we all stop pretending that academics really matter to anybody outside of a board of trustees or president's office? Welcome to the ACC, Louisville. I can't believe Swofford actually made the right call and took you over UCONN.

In other news, it looks like Mark Stoops might be taking FSU's offensive coordinator (James Coley) with him to Kentucky. That's awesome, since Coley didn't really do anything other than recruit here, and it will basically force Jimbo to hire a real OC that calls plays.
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Academics did kinda matter, otherwise you would of taken WVU last year. They were by far the best team in the Big East post 2003 pillaging.
 
zyxwvu4321 said:
But then who would be 4 SEC teams' OOC game in November?
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SEC teams probably don't want to play Georgia Southern. They put up more points on Bama than any other team last season (21). They changed from a pro-style offense to triple option between the time Bama scheduled them and the time they played, and Bama even said if they had been triple option in the first place they wouldn't have scheduled it.
 
So what does Georgia have to do to beat Alabama? Besides imploring their higher power to help them?
Man, if their defense could play a whole game like they did in the first half against LSU last year. Georgia is 2-2 in the SEC Championship, Alabama is 3-4.
 
KingGondo said:
Interesting article by Dennis Dodd about why the Big 12 may be happy to stay at 10 teams:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...-with-10-amid-the-latest-round-of-realignment

He makes some good points, but I also think he's underestimating how much new revenue the conference could bring in with new TV markets along the east coast and Florida. Those are huge population centers.

I had also never heard of this supposed "gentleman's agreement" with the SEC (that we wouldn't poach any teams from SEC territory (FSU, Clemson, GT) unless they made a move to expand further first).
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As long as Texas stays put, the Big 12 is stable. And I think the LHN is teaching Texas a lesson in humility, so I don't see them going anywhere any time soon.

The Big 12 is still too vulnerable to start trying to lure away teams from other big conferences. As soon as they do that, they open themselves up again. The Big 12 desperately needs conference expansion to stop, and actively participating in it only perpetuates it.
 
Draxal said:
Academics did kinda matter, otherwise you would of taken WVU's last year. They were by far the best team in the Big East post 2003 pillaging.
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Academics mattered when the ACC thought they were in a position of power and would never lose schools to another conference. Louisville also isn't stuck with the "backwards hillbilly" stereotype.
 
verbum said:
So what does Georgia have to do to beat Alabama? Besides imploring their higher power to help them?
Man, if their defense could play a whole game like they did in the first half against LSU last year. Georgia is 2-2 in the SEC Championship, Alabama is 3-4.
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Thinking back on that 24-23 game back in the 90's, and not holding onto that lead in 2008 :/

GSU and GT did screw up UGA's rush defense numbers, but it's still an average run defense.

I'd say that should be how Alabama attacks UGA. I'd also keep Michael Williams on the side with Jarvis Jones, if at all possible.
 
verbum said:
So what does Georgia have to do to beat Alabama? Besides imploring their higher power to help them?
Man, if their defense could play a whole game like they did in the first half against LSU last year. Georgia is 2-2 in the SEC Championship, Alabama is 3-4.
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Win in the trenches, especially on defense. Take advantage of Bama's weak secondary on offense.

More to it than that obviously, but if they can do that it should put them in a position to win. LSU and especially TAMU did a good job demonstrating how to beat this Bama team, and I definitely think Georgia is as capable as either of those teams.
 
It's humorous how the Louisville move is good for ACC Football while the Rutgers move is bad for B1G football.

Let's take a look at the records over the last six years (covers a recruiting class from the start to the end of a medical red shirt):

Rutgers - 47-28.
Louisville - 38-35.

(I like the 'Ville. Happy they got a parachute out. However, I do despise the fact that the media is praising this move while lambasting the Rutgers move.)
 
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