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[Digital Limit]

I didn't know people knew more lyrics than just the chorus for that song.

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Nas > JayZ

I seriously am dying for more info. It's nice to see we got more info about JiP fixes and such but damn I need more. Can we have a podcast please? That would be fantastic.

Agreed, more communication from 343 would be amazing. I don't even care if it's onesided. I just want to know what they're thinking.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

I heard that with Gears of war 3.

What came out around Gears 3? I have 12 games under my TV from the past 3 months to play. Even I'm only on Halo 4 every other day if that. Pair it with holidays and it's no wonder there's a dip.

so glad this is happening. Fuck you 343.

*Sigh*

Agreed, more communication from 343 would be amazing. I don't even care if it's onesided. I just want to know what they're thinking.

+1

 

[Digital Limit]

Join me.





This was good. Keep it going.



What the hell lol. This is literally the same response people used to defend the Reach jetpack.

It's not about Jetpacks reaching areas others cannot. That's a problem, but thats fixable with soft/hardkills.

Everyone here who thinks the jetpack is too powerful is talking about how its used to skip entire parts of the map.

ie. Instead of walking through the base and up the ramp to the snipe spawn in Solace, you can just jet up there. Just jetting up to highground whenever you want. Making your own highground whenever you want. Making your own sightlines. etc

You can already hop up there through a series of simple jumps. I watched Tashi do it a number of times when he was Hologramming on Solace.

 

[CyReN]

Lot of games out CyReN. Pair that with the lag and it's no wonder. I doubt it stays down though.

2007 Fall:
Halo 3
CoD 4
Mass Effect
Project Gotham Racing 4
Assassin's Creed
Bioshock

2010 Fall:
Halo Reach
Black Ops
Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood
Fallout: New Vegas
Fable III
Super Meat Boy

 

[Gray Man]

so glad this is happening. Fuck you 343.

Shove off, there is criticism, there is whining, there is being flat out annoying, but you're just being an ass.

 

[NullPointer]

What the hell lol. This is literally the same response people used to defend the Reach jetpack.

It's not about Jetpacks reaching areas others cannot. That's a problem, but thats fixable with soft/hardkills.

Everyone here who thinks the jetpack is too powerful is talking about how its used to skip entire parts of the map.

ie. Instead of walking through the base and up the ramp to the snipe spawn in Solace, you can just jet up there. Just jetting up to highground whenever you want. Making your own highground whenever you want. Making your own sightlines. etc

In Reach you could tell the maps weren't designed around jetpack use, they provided jet packers with far more powerful crow's nests, and so soft-kills were added in after the fact.

I just don't see that in the out of the box maps for Halo 4. But in terms of being able to jetpack to points instead of taking the ramps, well, thats kind of the point, and the maps make that so. The areas you can get to in a jetpack can be reached otherwise, so in terms of creating sight lines, do you mean just by jumping out into the blue and firing shots down? In that case there is a serious risk/reward balance there as the jetpacker becomes a crazy easy target to take down, as I've seen again and again and again in matches.

The only times I've felt seriously under threat from a jetpacker is one with a SAW who pulls of nice hit and runs. But that's more a SAW thing than a jetpack thing.

I saw the problems you guys had with it in Reach. I just don't see it here. I DO see endless amounts of jetpacker deaths, so even in the one loadout I have with it I play it very careful.

 

[Dirtbag]

It ruins smaller maps like Solace, in which a jetpacking enemy can completely bypass the cover you're attempting to hide behind. It really frustrating when you dip and dodge to escape fire and some guy just flies above the map and shoots you from above.

While this is true, the speed in which you can kill anyone now, that jetpack is a death sentence once you go up. I actually feel like the lethalness of the weapons and player movement speed punishes the jetpack fairly well.

Nothing in this game is cheaper then camo. PV comes pretty close, but camo is a mess.

 

[neoism]

• Fixed scripting issues in Regicide
• Fixed exploit locations on Solace
• Fixed KotH on Complex
• Fixed Mantis spawn timer on Meltdown
• Made late joining improvements to Join in Progress in all game types
• Reduced the window for Join in Progress in Slayer game types
• Made improvements to Join in Progress for uneven starts




as juices used to say... "will put disc in"..

 

[Blueblur1]

so glad this is happening. Fuck you 343.

That's a bit much.

 

[Trey]

lol yea ok. Anyone with a brain knows that Ether destroyed

Start the cycle again in GAF-Hop.

 

[dalVlatko]

I dumbed down for my audience to double my dollars
They criticized me for it, yet they all yell "holla"
If gameplay sold, truth be told, I'd probably be
playing like halo 3
Truthfully I wanna it to be like Halo:CE
But COD did 5 mill' - I ain't been playing like Halo since

 

[Gray Man]

We are Gears of War 3.

We still have the number two spot on Xbox Live though, right?

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

2007 Fall:
Halo 3
CoD 4
Mass Effect
Project Gotham Racing 4
Assassin's Creed
Bioshock

2010 Fall:
Halo Reach
Black Ops
Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood
Fallout: New Vegas
Fable III
Super Meat Boy

You've got me curious. Are you able to find Reach and 3 stats for the first month? Also I'd say there are more games out this fall, but that doesn't matter much. Curious what the Reach and 3 populations looked like for the first overall month.

 

[Ramirez]

RIP campaign theatre

RIP non-matte backgrounds

The skyboxes do suck in 4 when you zoom in on them, but I guess it's an obvious trade off for the level of visuals we received.

Shove off, there is criticism, there is whining, there is being flat out annoying, but you're just being an ass.

Hi SW.

 

[CyReN]

You've got me curious. Are you able to find Reach and 3 stats for the first month? Also I'd say there are more games out this fall, but that doesn't matter much. Curious what the Reach and 3 populations looked like for the first overall month.

 

[ElRenoRaven]

Free Double xp code for anyone that wants it. Quote to reveal

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Not even a month out and a 75% drop off...

It was INCREDIBLY foolish to go against COD in the same month. That said, I fear how much more borked this game would be if it had launched in September.

 

[Ramirez]

Peak populations & unique users aren't the same thing...

 

[VivaciousJazzy]

They're not even acknowledging big issues. Matchmaking needs a complete overhaul, there are plenty HUGE problems. The game is broken, the population is plummeting and soon wont be any better off than Gears.

 

[ncsuDuncan]

so glad this is happening. Fuck you 343.

Thank you for contributing to the conversation! You are an inspiring beacon of maturity.

 

[CyReN]

Peak populations & unique users aren't the same thing...

If only we could get the numbers now.

 

[Genesis Knight]

Free Double xp code for anyone that wants it. Quote to reveal

Thanks.

 

[u4iX]

I GOT THE MAP CONTROL ON MY SPAWN PATROL
FOOLS THAT WANNA KNOW WHERE MY X IS THOUGH
MAP CRITICS SAYING THERE'S NO MAP FLOW
INSTANT SPAWN STUPID, WHAT KINDA MECHANICS ARE THOSE
IF YOU GREW UP WITH REACH IN YOUR DISC TRAY YO
YOU'D CELEBRATE THE MINUTE THEY LAUNCHED HALO 4
I'M LIKE FUCK COMPLEX, YOU CAN SEE THE WHOLE MAP HOLE
AND IF YOU LIKE TO CAMP, SPAWN WITH ACTIVE CAMO
GOT BEEF WITH BLACK OPS, SO YOU LAUNCH THE WEEK BEFORE
OUR POPULATION JUST DROPPED, BUT THEY BOUGHT THE DISC SO
MS GONNA ABUSE MY DUMB ASS
SO CERTAIN AFFINITY CAN GET MORE CASH FOR MAPS
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU TAKE ME AS
OR UNDERSTAND THE INTELLIGENCE OUR PLAYER BASE HAS
I'M FROM ALL THE WAY BACK TO HALO ONE
I GOT 343 BUGS AND THEY AIN'T FIXED NONE

 

[Orochinagis]

No no no no Extraction is already playable. You can play it in custom games (I think some of us played it launch week, even. I know u4ix talks about playing it in customs in the last Social Skirmish). I know what Team Regicide is, I need to know if it's an option in the Regicide menu. I'm not at home, so I can't check.

If it's an option you can toggle from the menu, great. That's nifty. There were, however, people specifically asking if such a thing would be possible earlier in the thread, and that leads me to believe that it isn't possible given the tools we have now.

To me that means that 343i has access to gametypes that we don't have yet or can possibly make more gametypes and release them without issuing a title update, which means the lack of One Flag or a proper Assault variant of Grifball is inexcusable.

Oh my bad, I rarely touched the customs in this Halo, let me check.....

Mmmm nop, I dont see any variants or options in Forge mode.

EDIT: I found Team option in Regicide on custom match.

 

[Bregmann Roche]

I GOT THE MAP CONTROL ON MY SPAWN PATROL
FOOLS THAT WANNA KNOW WHERE MY X IS THOUGH
MAP CRITICS SAYING THERE'S NO MAP FLOW
INSTANT SPAWN STUPID, WHAT KINDA MECHANICS ARE THOSE
IF YOU GREW UP WITH REACH IN YOUR DISC TRAY YO
YOU'D CELEBRATE THE MINUTE THEY LAUNCHED HALO 4
I'M LIKE FUCK COMPLEX, YOU CAN SEE THE WHOLE MAP HOLE
AND IF YOU LIKE TO CAMP, SPAWN WITH ACTIVE CAMO

Rap battle. Duncan vs. u4iX. NOW!

 

[ElRenoRaven]

Thanks.

No problem. I'm just glad it went to someone that will use it. Oddly enough it came from some Mountain Dew I got with pizza last night. Hadn't had Dew since before Halo 3 came out. I remember why now. It makes me feel so bloated after drinking it. Still for the occasional drink every 5 years or so it's not that bad other then the bloating and the extreme sugar crashes that come after drinking it.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

2007 Fall:
Halo 3
CoD 4 CoD gained popularity with the title and it took some time
Mass Effect Many did not play Mass Effect for some time after launch
Project Gotham Racing 4 Remember it being pretty big
Assassin's Creed Slowly gained attention
Bioshock Slowly Gained Attention

2010 Fall:
Halo Reach The Cage lol
Black Ops Was Huge
Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood Pretty big series by this point
Fallout: New Vegas Remember nothing about this bad or good
Fable III Limited sales due to Fable 2
Super Meat Boy Lots of people still don't know what this is

Not arguing either way just giving some clarification (at least from what I see)

 

[mhi]

Looks like all this stuff coming out was in the pipeline before launch. As far as the patch, I don't think they have anything to show for it yet. They might be waiting for more glitches to pop up.

 

[Tunavi]

Hi SW.

So you're saying...

 

[Shadders]

Bulletins are starting piss me off with their total lack of meaningful information.

Give us dates on significant updates, let us know you're aware of issues, let us know you're listening to feedback. Prior to launch they seemed to be having two-way discussions with fans constantly, now they've actually shipped the game it's radio silence. People would be a damn sight less salty if there was some transparency, if there was some indication that things would get better.

No-one would care that they made mistakes and missteps if it was communicated that they're trying to put things right.

 

[Yager]

New maps look OK. I don't get why people complaint about Team Regicide. It doesn't sound that bad to me, in fact it can be a pretty fun playlist.

 

[u4iX]

I GOT THE MAP CONTROL ON MY SPAWN PATROL
FOOLS THAT WANNA KNOW WHERE MY X IS THOUGH
MAP CRITICS SAYING THERE'S NO MAP FLOW
INSTANT SPAWN STUPID, WHAT KINDA MECHANICS ARE THOSE
IF YOU GREW UP WITH REACH IN YOUR DISC TRAY YO
YOU'D CELEBRATE THE MINUTE THEY LAUNCHED HALO 4
I'M LIKE FUCK COMPLEX, YOU CAN SEE THE WHOLE MAP HOLE
AND IF YOU LIKE TO CAMP, SPAWN WITH ACTIVE CAMO
GOT BEEF WITH BLACK OPS, SO YOU LAUNCH THE WEEK BEFORE
OUR POPULATION JUST DROPPED, BUT THEY BOUGHT THE DISC SO
MS GONNA ABUSE MY DUMB ASS
SO CERTAIN AFFINITY CAN GET MORE CASH FOR MAPS
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU TAKE ME AS
OR UNDERSTAND THE INTELLIGENCE OUR PLAYER BASE HAS
I'M FROM ALL THE WAY BACK TO HALO ONE
I GOT 343 BUGS AND THEY AIN'T FIXED NONE

Finished the full verse.

 

[CyReN]

No-one would care that they made mistakes and missteps if it was communicated that they're trying to put things right.

but we aren't game developers, we are mindless people we cave men mentalities that tweet spectator mode.

-----

Frank, get your shit. We are flying to Washington to fix this.

 

[Booties]

We are Gears of War 3.

Looks like a megaphone announcing that this game was a billion dollar flop.

 

[u4iX]

Frank, get your shit. We are flying to Washington to fix this.

I will channel the muse of John Howard and three shot kill anyone who gets in my way.

 

[Captain Blood]

snip

Am I reading that correctly? Reach had roughly 4 times the population Halo 4 does at this point?

 

[ElRenoRaven]

but we aren't game developers, we are mindless people we cave men mentalities that tweet spectator mode.

-----

Frank, get your shit. We are flying to Washington to fix this.

You know I'd actually pay to watch the look on Franks face if a bunch of gaffers actually showed up to fix it. It would be the most hilarious look I've ever seen.

Reminds me. I still love you Frankie, David, and Jessica.

 

[CyReN]

Am I reading that correctly? Reach had roughly 4 times the population Halo 4 does at this point?

I believe Firefight/Campaign are grouped in unlike Halo 4.

Reminds me. I still love you Frankie, David, and Jessica.

They are great people, but they have a franchise now. Bulletin pictures of manicures and Ford cars isn't helping us.

They can't go off a name, look at Riot and Treyarch. It's astounding they stuff they do and the feedback they give. I'm not asking for a avatar prop I'm asking for a working game. It's sad the least of my worries now is not Ranks and Spectator Mode but fixing flinch.

 

[zap]

I remember Reach having a lot more than 100k people on at a time for a long time after launch. Is there any 'peak users' data from Halo Reach?

 

[LD2k]

Are some of you really believing they aren't looking at feedback because they haven't posted it in a bulletin? That's not to say the lack of communication won't rub fans the wrong way.

 

[Trasher]

Am I reading that correctly? Reach had roughly 4 times the population Halo 4 does at this point?

lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

 

[Latvian Hitman]

Lot of games out CyReN. Pair that with the lag and it's no wonder. I doubt it stays down though.

If the lag and excruciating matchmaking times don't improve very soon, the population will probably go down even further.

I'm thinking that the bias toward even matches vs. good connection is something that's going to have to tilt a bit the other way. It may lead to more classic "trueskill" screen caps getting posted here from time to time, but these connections sometimes......my lord.

 

[zlatko]

That bulletin had me come away with 2 things:

1) I'm actually interested by Team Regecide. Should be fun to me.

2) Fucking want that Locus helm soooooooooo baaaaaaaaaaaad. Make it DLC already 343i. You can has my monies.

 

[kittens]

It ruins smaller maps like Solace, in which a jetpacking enemy can completely bypass the cover you're attempting to hide behind. It really frustrating when you dip and dodge to escape fire and some guy just flies above the map and shoots you from above.

Yeah, exactly. I've had this happen to me so many times, and it makes me want to not play.

 

[Fracas]

So Regicide seems nearly universally despised, and now we get another fucking playlist for it?
On top of that, huzzah more BTB maps. I don't get it, this is literally the opposite of what people wanted. The handling of this game post launch is just atrocious.

Sai, post one of your "dead" gifs.

 

[Pop]

Bulletins are starting piss me off with their total lack of meaningful information.

Give us dates on significant updates, let us know you're aware of issues, let us know you're listening to feedback. Prior to launch they seemed to be having two-way discussions with fans constantly, now they've actually shipped the game it's radio silence. People would be a damn sight less salty if there was some transparency, if there was some indication that things would get better.

No-one would care that they made mistakes and missteps if it was communicated that they're trying to put things right.

Maybe that's just it, they have nothing to talk about at this time. Probably all on vacation, goofing off somewhere cause we all know that map pack was made way before the release of H4.

New maps look OK. I don't get why people complaint about Team Regicide. It doesn't sound that bad to me, in fact it can be a pretty fun playlist.

Fun is good and all but what about competitive. You can make a competitive game casual pretty easy but a casual game turned competitive well you got one hell of a climb up, look at H4.

 

[Bregmann Roche]

Halo 4 Love

JOIN IN PROGRESS...SPLIT MY PARTY
JOIN IN PROGRESS...SPLIT MY PARTY
IN THE PLAYLIST OF I.S.
IN THE PLAYLIST OF GOOD OL' SWAT
IN THE PLAYLIST, THE PLAYLIST OF ODDBALL
343 KEEP JIP'N! 343 KEEP JIP'N!

NOW LET ME WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE WILD, WILD WEST
MULTIPLAYER'S UNTOUCHABLE OR BETA AT BEST
BOLTSHOT HIT'S YOUR SPARTAN LIKE A SLUG TO YA CHEST
JETPACK FOR LITTLE JIMMY WORKS SO GOOD ON COMPLEX
SALT FROM JOSHINGTON STATE WITH A BOMB ASS .GIF TWEET
THE STATE WHERE YA NEVER FIND A TREE BRANCH EMPTY

...that's all I got for now.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

Now I have Jay-Z stuck in my head (not a bad problem) thanks u4iX!

 

[FyreWulff]

Kittens check your PMs.

 

[Overdoziz]

Peak populations & unique users aren't the same thing...

Plus, the last day on the Halo 4 chart is today which hasn't been fully recorded yet. It will probably end up at around 150k like the past few days.