The Hobbit film leaves fans with an unexpected sickness
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CrunchyFrog
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Placebo means that the described effect comes about because the effect was expected as a result of the stimulus and not because of the stimulus itself, a self-fulfilling prophecy if you will, an extensively studied and verified psychological phenomenon. Hence, you may experience nausea simply because you expect to become nauseous due to bias and your knowledge of the film being at a higher framerate (bias used here as a purely scientific term, not as a negative connotation). Granted, there are other factors at work here in human vision, but I was simply saying the "scientific reasons" quoted in the article were pure bunk.
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WascallyWabbit
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damn, this should've been the first post
Metalmurphy
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Came for the news, stayed for the hilarious Reiko vs Hitokage argument.
Perfect... lol
Perfect... lol
I NEED SCISSORS
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Will they offer a 24fps version of the Blu-ray? I'd rather have better picture quality than a higher framerate, unless of course they finally decide to use bigger discs than 50GB.
Yes. That was a "interpolation" filter. But it's not creating new frames.
Mr. Wonderful
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Honestly, 3D gives me a bit of a headache as it is. I could maybe see 48hz 3D making it even worse or something just because of too much going on. I would much rather be able to see it in 48hz 2D.
TheKaeptain
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Next time you watch a 3d movie with someone look at their eyes while watching. It's far different than everyday life. Your eyes do this twitching thing. You don't notice because you're paying attention to the movie but yeah your eyes look funny.
It's why some children under six don't see the effects of 3D. Their eyes aren't developed enough to keep up.
I think because low frames and 3D is a bad combo.
I don't think the current Blu-ray spec even supports 48fps, so there's not going to be a choice.
Grimm Fandango
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After seeing Dredd in 3D, I have high hopes for movies using it for non-gimmicky reasons. Here's hoping that's the case for this one.
The Elite
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If in 3D and projected on a large screen, probably.
Lots of other people like 3D, though. So long as they keep playing these movies in 2D as well, why do y'all want to die so much? :/
I think they're stuck offering a 24fps version of the Blu-ray, since 48fps isn't a defined standard for either players or TVs. Even the 3D Blu-ray will probably end up being 24fps.
Yes. Unfortunately...
Happens all the time for me, too; pans, especially fast ones, are notorious for that.
It takes up screens at the movie theaters.
Sho_Nuff82
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Huge difference between a game with a fixed perspective and/or user-controlled camera, and a 3D movie with impossible angles zooming in and out at the user, probably with tons on quick cuts.
That made this thread EXTREMELY engaging. I had no idea interpolation was this divisive.
Do a lot of people like 3D? I mean I know Avatar was massive, but other than that?
And I don't mean this as a "you sure 'bout that, buddy?" remark. I honestly have no clue.
maquiladora
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If you search twitter, this tweet doesn't exist. So either it was deleted, private or made up for this article.
If the other quotes are tweets, they don't exist on twitter either.
News Corporation conspiracy!
I saw your edit. It was line doubling (A form of deinterlacing) and the other was pure interpolation.
That's a problem with 3D, not HFR though. HFR should actually mitigate some of the discomfort.
I'm wondering how much of it has to do with Jackson's swooping camera filming style and how much with the frame rate. Cameron developed a visual language for the use of 3D in Avatar to minimize the frequency with which people have to change their depth focus, using longer shot durations and not changing depth planes dramatically between shots, so as to minimize eye strain.
If Jackson filmed The Hobbit in the same style as The Lord of the Rings without adapting to to the format, I can see why people would get sick. That big swooping camera move over the opening prologue battle in The Fellowship of the Ring would probably make me ill at 48fps in 3D.
If Jackson filmed The Hobbit in the same style as The Lord of the Rings without adapting to to the format, I can see why people would get sick. That big swooping camera move over the opening prologue battle in The Fellowship of the Ring would probably make me ill at 48fps in 3D.
TheKaeptain
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Probably more because your eyes are splitting and recording the images. Your eyes work together when you walk around in your everyday life. I don't believe rotational polarity is found in everyday life. When was the last time your saw two things in focus at once moving the opposite direction?
Here do this make a counter clock motion with one hand and the opposite with the other? Can you get both of your hands in focus? Nope. 3D glasses help us do this while watching a movie in the way 3d is shot now.
Good points.
TheKaeptain
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This is what happens when I actually pay attention in class. I learn stuff.
I really, really doubt that many of those screens would have something else other than the same film in 2D in the first place.
Bobby Roberts
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Only about 400 theaters in North America will be showing this in 48fps 3D anyway. Most people will be watching this in plain ol 3D or, if trends hold, people will take the time to seek out 2D screenings of the movie (as has been happening more and more frequently since Avatar)
Here's the list of theaters.
http://www.thehobbit.com/hfr3d/
Basically, I think The Hobbit as a high-frame-rate trial is DOA, essentially. If high-framerate stuff is going to take off, it's going have to be due to the Avatar sequels - which might have a little bit easier time of it.
Here's the list of theaters.
http://www.thehobbit.com/hfr3d/
Basically, I think The Hobbit as a high-frame-rate trial is DOA, essentially. If high-framerate stuff is going to take off, it's going have to be due to the Avatar sequels - which might have a little bit easier time of it.
Film exposed with light from continuous motion produces an inherent motion blur that videogame rendering lacks, so image continuity is easier to achieve.
By the way, while cinema film is 24 fps, theater projectors actually double or triple shutter each frame.
gutter_trash
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that's Peter Jackson for ya!
his action scenes in King Kong and the 1st LOR trilogy used quick cuts, close-ups, and shakey cams.
the sort of 21st century action scene filming technique that I despise .
So meh, that's Peter Jackson fo yeah
his action scenes in King Kong and the 1st LOR trilogy used quick cuts, close-ups, and shakey cams.
the sort of 21st century action scene filming technique that I despise .
So meh, that's Peter Jackson fo yeah
True.
Foxy Fox 39
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This seems very similar to impressions of early cinema. I believe if they could adapt, certainly a technological culture such as ours can as well.
maquiladora
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"The natural color thing is forgotten after awhile, excepting it does show how many different ways make-up on Pauline Starke may look."
Variety 1928 review of The Viking, the first film entirely in Technicolor.
Another fun fact related to the discussion of maximum frame rates, although I had to do some checking to see if I had it right:
On a CRT TV only between one third and two full horizontal lines are actually illuminated at any given instant in time. This is why they can appear partially dark when viewed through a camera. So while frames are put onscreen at 60 Hz, those frames themselves are drawn out with lines displayed at 15kHz. Clearly an upper limit has been reached here.
On a CRT TV only between one third and two full horizontal lines are actually illuminated at any given instant in time. This is why they can appear partially dark when viewed through a camera. So while frames are put onscreen at 60 Hz, those frames themselves are drawn out with lines displayed at 15kHz. Clearly an upper limit has been reached here.
Kyleripman
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In my case, it's because 2D fans are already getting less options for this movie (no 48fps option). If 3D didn't exist, we'd probably have that option.
Again, that's just me. I'm sure lots of people will love it as-is.
Johnlenham
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I paid £7.35 a ticket! thats cheaper than normal 2D thanks to some Odeon Cinema club members discount!
lunarworks
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I don't think I've ever been to a play where the main set is anything but stationary.
But then again, I haven't been to a lot of plays. Lemme know if there's one where your vista sweeps wildly around.
-Pyromaniac-
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Can't wait to watch in 48FPS. My body is so ready!
Yep, bring it on! Unfortunately I won't get to see it at 48fps on release day, but I'll probably see it that weekend that way.
The most classic example for this would be ... any circus.
Cirque du Soleil if you want to be classy
There are tons of kinds of special effects that theatre can use to have a huge variety of scenery... from moving parts to projections to light play
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