this is true, it's a perfect trap of cheesy comic book characters, Joss Whedon and Scarlet wassherface in tight clothes.
those poor nerds never stood a chance
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this is true, it's a perfect trap of cheesy comic book characters, Joss Whedon and Scarlet wassherface in tight clothes.
those poor nerds never stood a chance
TheKaeptain
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I bet they weren't even mad they had to cover their nacho cheese stained shirts with their brown coats when they crawled out of the "man" caves and up through and out their parents house to go watch it.
Escape Goat
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How many times did you see The Avengers?
TheKaeptain
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Taking your kid doesn't count.
Everytime I read about potential symbolism in these movies, I think back to the scene in TDKR with the chase after the stockmarket, and it goes from day to night in a matter of minutes (in line with the download on that tablet). It's kind of a big mistake to do in a movie like this, and to think they still managed to have some off-the-script symbolism? I dunno.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I somehow got trapped on TV Tropes and came across this:
Interesting.
Interesting.
Science being in a movie does not necessarily make it sci-fi. Avengers is a straight up action flick. No more, no less. That's why it was good, but wasn't one of my favorites of the year.
Yeah, I watched it again yesterday and I still can't stomach it. This and the movie's weird and inconsistent politics really put a damper on it.
Doctor Decimate
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i see it's still cool to say Batman Begins is actually the best one
evil solrac v3.0
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Avengers is just.... eh. it's there but I was actually waiting for the movie to end because it went nowhere for most of the film.
I thought RDJ was good, Ruffalo was pretty good, Hemsworth was okay and the bit where it shows all of them in one move was good. Apart from that I can't really remember what happened, and I've seen it twice.
Seeing it pop up on a bunch of Best Of lists will confuse the balls off of me.
Seeing it pop up on a bunch of Best Of lists will confuse the balls off of me.
Avengers was a lot of fun and the whole project was ambitious in an entirely different way and impressive that it was not a train wreck.
As a trilogy, my feelings is that this is as close as we have gotten to Godfather in terms of the way the three films comes together as a trilogy. I wish it was more thought out from the get go as a series, as it is i don't think i would marathon through the three films any time soon.
As a trilogy, my feelings is that this is as close as we have gotten to Godfather in terms of the way the three films comes together as a trilogy. I wish it was more thought out from the get go as a series, as it is i don't think i would marathon through the three films any time soon.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Nicktendo86
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That would have had so much more impact it is unreal. How the hell did Alfred get to know so much about the league anyway?
SCULLIBUNDO
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Alfred is a collector of LoS stats cards. He's just missing arm-gash ninja no#2.
8BitsAtATime
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Does the blu/dvd have the original IMAX prologue? I remember the dialogue being different..
SCULLIBUNDO
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You're obviously not talkin about LotR.
Just like BTTF
You don't think it'd be prudent to further investigate the people who tried destroying Gotham twice?
DonasaurusRex
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...wait this is the Batman Thread....
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
Alfred does nothing in his free time, he's retired.
The Avengers will influence comic book movies from here on out. Saying that it will be forgotten is just bizarre to me. They're already trying to rush out a JL league movie as a result of Avengers. It showed us that movie like this with such a diverse cast and such a large scope CAN actually work just like this trilogy showed us that you can actually take superheroes seriously.
They both have their merit. Dismissing either one is just fucking stupid to me.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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I wouldn't call Avengers a great movie, but it was certainly fun. The Dark Knight Rises proved to be neither of those.
Charles Foster Kane
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Maybe because it was a huge hit, but the movie is mediocre looking (maybe except for the final segment). It just a crappy movie. I find it hilarious how the characters were supposed to be emotionally affected by the death of that one guy and that Nick Fury used that death to push them to finally unite. If you consider that was the catalyst for them to finally unite (or at least one of, and a big one), you see how shallow the film is. It was fake emotion that the audience was not connected to. You could say it didn't matter, but it could be argued. The movie is entertaining, but it fails on many fronts. You can tell that guy's death was important to the movie (not the audience) because Iron Man even discusses it with Loki when they meet before the fight.
I might not think TDKR is great, but at least the scene with Alfred felt that the characters cared and therefore had an emotional effect.
TheKaeptain
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In the large scope of cinema superhero movies don't mean shit.
I have to agree.
I saw TDKR during a marathon of the trilogy on opening day... not once have I felt like watching it again since then. I've seen The Avengers 3 times and I'm not even a Marvel movie fan, the spectacle was that enjoyable.
When I think about TDKR, all I can do is think about things that made no sense, like Alfred leaving and not coming back, or how off it felt that Bane was really an idiot pawn.
I'm not saying the movie is terrible, just questionable. And to me, it's one of those sequels you just blot out of memory, like Spiderman 3 and Alien Resurrection... but not as gut wrenchingly bad.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
Also this.
If it did happen than that sucks. All I remember about TDK, pre and post release, are long topics with both people who liked it and those who found faults with it. Hell I even posted at length about some of the things I didn't like.
And of these three movies, though I love all of them, only BB has no real flaws for me. It is simply the best superhero movie I have ever seen from start to finish. And not just a good superhero movie but one of the better movies I have seen period.
I think personally its because unlike TDKR and TDK it simply and solely focuses on Bruce. Sure there are other characters and a fully developed world, but everything revolves around Bruce. That was missing in TDK but since the focus shifted to the Joker and Dent it made up for it. TDKR is higher on my list than TDK because while it still focuses on other characters, it an end to Bruce's journey.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
Batman Begins was definitely my favorite of the Nolan Batman movie. I appreciated what they did with the Dark Knight, and the first time I saw it, it was my favorite Batman movie. But on repeat viewings, I've liked it less and less. Still a good movie though, but Begins is better. The Dark Knight Rises I've seen once. And that's probably where it will remain. Not terrible, but nothing that would make me want to go back.
Sapiens
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Batman Begins is very rewatchable, as opposed to TDK and TDKR. All three are flawed in their own ways, but ultimately, it's a pretty awesome saga.
Eight year gap. Plenty of time for Alfred to reflect back on his decision to hide the truth and realize it didn't work/help.
Also pretty different from Batman wanting to quit in the middle of the Joker's attack on Gotham to trying to stop Bruce from going back to Batman while he thinks he is suicidal. At least that's how I saw it.
I think Alfred always knew Bruce didn't want to be Batman forever. He thought the lie would help him move from Rachel and Batman.
I'd love for there to be a middle ground but I have yet to find it in movie threads. You either love it (meaning everything is perfect) or hate it because you didn't like it.
You can point out all the bad you want. Hell I did it in the TDK thread and even posted many times about the things I didn't like in TDKR or wish were done differently. I think my point is being lost here a bit. I don't mean don't talk about what you liked or disliked, its the attitude of talking down others who like something you don't like that irritates me.
I loved Inception. I might even like it better than the Prestige. Might be my favorite Nolan movie ever. Does that mean I don't get films? Or what makes a good film? Its an opinion and it should be respected as such. I'm not presenting facts, just what I thought of a product.
It can be countered with opinions but not facts. And its when the counter is presented as fact that it ruins the discussion. If any time you want to present such opinions as facts you should at least back it up with some sort of consensus from fans, critics, and success. And even then with movies or music you can never reach to some definitive list because everyone's taste is different.
So for example to me Avengers was good but not great. Avatar was just ok. But both movies are loved by the mass audiences, received critical acclaim, and did massive # at the BO. When so many things are working for them no one can claim anything other than their opinion. Compare and contrast that to the Twilight movies series.
Agree and disagree. Summer blockbuster movies are a big deal now and mainly how studios make their money. And the easiest way to make that money is to go with superhero/comic book IPs or sequels to successful movies. So much so that studios are making movies like Battleship. Inception maybe wasn't a risk because WB had faith in Nolan and believed that his name and success from TDK would carry over, but it was still a risk. They gave him a huge budget to him so he could do his pet project. Leo isn't some box office magic either. It worked.
The marketing, the carry over from TDK, and the movie itself held up and created a huge success. But it was still a risk compared to what they could have done.
Except that's not what I said at all. I don't care if you discuss what you liked or didn't. I did the same. But making sweeping generalizations like the "hand job" comment or talking down to those who liked it is the only thing I mentioned that I don't care for. I can't force you to like something you didn't.
And for the record I never included you into any group. And if you actually remember my posts from the other thread you would notice I spent time posting my negatives as well.
I liked Avengers but didn't love it like most did. That is why I don't get why so many people want JL to be made exactly the same way down to the formula of making solo movies for each character. Unless the motivation is simply to match the BO (which is the case for the studio).
But didn't XMEN 1 and 2 already show that? Big casts work as long tne story/script/direction is there. Its almost like people forget that the element that made Avengers good was that it was directed well and the action/humor help up. I doubt its because they went with the introduce each character one by one route.
The thing is that the films leading up the Avengers built up the hype, which was key and some thing that WB wants to replicate. That's probably why they don't want to quickly abandon the Batman Nolanverse, because if they can tie in this expanded DC universe with the Nolan Batman movies, then they can further build that hype.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
Absolutely, but that is what discussion leads up to sometimes; specially when we get worked up about something. I believe we can always discuss and maybe get a bit heated up as long as we respect each other, and I think that happens a lot here, so that's cool.
You say it's hard for there to be a middle ground. I see what you mean, but I think many here do a pretty good job. Even those who love the movie admits there are some issues with it, and the other way around (for the most part); it seems like a middle ground to me. I agree being hyperbolic can become annoying, and I know I have acted that way too, but it's just opinions (it's cool being passionate about them). As long as people aren't offending each other it's fine. This would be a much more boring place if everyone agreed or if only fans or detractors were here.
You are assuming motivation when there is no way for you to know. You didn't like Inception and TDKR as much as his other movies but assuming its because Nolan was out for fan service is presumptuous. He has enough clout right now to do whatever he wants. Inception was his pet project that he was working on since before BB. TDKR was his choice to come back to after he could have easily walked away from Batman after TDK. He could have cited fatigue from the big action movies, Heath's death, or simply that he didn't have a story to tell.
For him to come back and try such a large scale movie, whether it works for you or not, shows that he did care. He wanted to end Bruce's story.
I think you and I will always disagree on Inception. I always felt that the only character that needed to be developed (Cobb) was done so perfectly. Actually even Mal was handled really well. The rest of the cast isn't developed fully but for me the movie didn't need them to. They provide good support.
I get your calculated and motivated point, but to me that's really subjective. Every character in every movie can be considered "calculated" because they are all present to forward the story. Some are written better than others but still calculated. Depends on how you look at it. And truthfully it depends on whether you like the movie to begin with. I didn't like Inception because I felt every character was written well and fully developed, but because how well Cobb was handled. Plus the action, concept, and the ending. In fact I liked the other characters because they provided a stark contrast to Cobb's motivation. The obsession and need to get back to his family and get rid of his guilt vs con men motivated by the chase and money.
TDKR might not have worked for you and I even agreed it would have been better if it was split into two movies and fleshed out more while not held hostage by IMAX run time, but I never got the sense he is going through the motions, only doing this for the fans. Its too big of a project to spend that much time and energy just cause.
I think what WB should attempt to do is simply make a good movie. They know why the Batman movies worked. The director and the people behind the project took it seriously, as opposed to the previous Batman movies. They found a good story to tell and tell it an interesting way.
JL will make tons of money no matter what. Now its up to them to try to copy every single thing Marvel did, or do it a little different and try to aim for something better.
And I went on and on about this in the other thread JL but WB would have to be out of their minds if they try to tie in anything from Nolan's Batman world into the JL world.
They can still make a JL movie that is a bit more serious, grounded, darker, and or gritty to differentiate from Avengers but you still can't tie in a world with super beings and aliens with what Nolan created and closed already.
Fudgepuppy
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Can someone explain to me why they filmed all non-IMAX scenes in 2.39:1 and not 16:9?
Like IMAX-reels are 16:9 without anamorphically shrinking it, but 30mm film is 4:3 anamorphically filmed in 2.39:1, which means whenever it goes from IMAX to 30mm, it gets letterboxed.
Although I'm glad they didn't crop the IMAX-scenes for 2.39:1, it would seem to be the most logical choice to just film everything 16:9, no matter the mm.
Like IMAX-reels are 16:9 without anamorphically shrinking it, but 30mm film is 4:3 anamorphically filmed in 2.39:1, which means whenever it goes from IMAX to 30mm, it gets letterboxed.
Although I'm glad they didn't crop the IMAX-scenes for 2.39:1, it would seem to be the most logical choice to just film everything 16:9, no matter the mm.
But isn't that similar to what happened to Iron Man and the Avengers?
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
I was thinking, and wanted to say I like Nolan made Bane cry. Also, his expression there is very nice.
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