The Hobbit film leaves fans with an unexpected sickness

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Jack Scofield said:
Wait, people have to have seen 48 FPS before they can complain about it? What about the defenders who claim it looks "nothing like" soap operas? What are they basing their opinion on?
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48fps comparison footage that a gaffer uploaded from his RED camera months ago.

If somebody gives me somewhere to upload it to, I'll gladly upload the comparison.
 
Two different reactions to 48fps from 2 people who just watched the screening today.

Nicholas DeNitto ‏@NicksMovies

Just saw The Hobbit and was STUNNED. See this movie in 3D at 48 FPS! It looks incredible!
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#Hobbit was fantastic!!! So happy to be back in Middle-Earth. This is a must see. 48Fps is interesting, but overall I didn't care for it.
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FyreWulff said:
I wonder if there will be movies that vary the framerate. 48 fps in pans, then drop to 24 for non-panned scenes.

All I know is I wanted to try a 48fps movie after that one pan in Brave almost broke my eyes. Then I was taken to a 3D movie this summer, and they did a pan, almost had to look away.
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This seems almost sensible. Pans really are a problem, otherwise 24fps is beautiful.

CaptYamato said:
I remember going over a study in one of my classes about how it isn't our eyes that can tell the difference in frame rate it is the way our brain receives it. 24-30fps were the frame rate that we best process information when looking at a screen. Anything higher and our brain knows it is fake; can't properly process it. Our eyes are more than capable of recording hfr's though. Although the guys that did the study were not sure if it is because we are not use to that high of a frame rate.

So maybe that's why people are getting headaches?
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I imagine this holds true. 24fps we've been trained on. 48fps is going to get closer to real, without being real, and that combined with 3D could make people sick.

I got sick on the Star Wars ride at Disney Land this summer. It has 3D, lots of CG effects and moving camera, and the actual movement to replicate the G forces and such. The part I know gets me sick, is when I get engaged I'm bracing for the g force like you would with a car hitting a corner fast and it comes instead in unexpected ways. To the point that my brain knows it's not real space flight, and can't entertain all the twists and turns without getting very sick. I instead had to take my glasses off, look at the live model of C3PO and just think of it as a shitty move back and forth ride, ignoring the screen. If it was just 2D and some vibrations for explosions I would have totally handled it fine, like a rumble pack for your body.

Its too many sensations while not being "right" that will fuck with people the most. Sort of like how people except Pixar stylized CG, but when you get to the edge (Polar Express for instance) you can land in the "uncanny valley" as its been titled where are brains just don't accept it and are even turned off by it.

I've said it previously, but I think Hobbit's going to be a real hate it or love it experience for me. I can imagine either one happening, very interested.

CaptYamato said:
Probably more because your eyes are splitting and recording the images. Your eyes work together when you walk around in your everyday life. I don't believe rotational polarity is found in everyday life. When was the last time your saw two things in focus at once moving the opposite direction?

Here do this make a counter clock motion with one hand and the opposite with the other? Can you get both of your hands in focus? Nope. 3D glasses help us do this while watching a movie in the way 3d is shot now.
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This is spot on. It's one of the weird, unconscious "that's not right" moments we have when watching 3D that we easily allow in 2D.
 
Everyone says it looks terrible, but I thought seeing Aliens on Bluray at 60 FPS was SOOOO cool. It's like camcorder footage, but instead of mundane borthdays it's a fully fledged blockbuster.

I've never had a problem with motion sickness from first-person shooter games either. Some people are just more susceptible to that kind of thing.
 
All I know is that Avatar sequels at 48/60fps are going to be fucking mindblowing. Experiencing those flying scenes with HFR would be something really, really special.

Sub_Level said:
Everyone says it looks terrible, but I thought seeing Aliens on Bluray at 60 FPS was SOOOO cool. It's like camcorder footage, but instead of mundane borthdays it's a fully fledged blockbuster.
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You've never seen Aliens at 60fps. You've seen a bunch of made-up frames from motion interpolation which doesn't even begin to approximate what 60fps would be like.
 
Okay guys, got the video files uploaded for ya.

24fps

48fps - Link fixed.


Remember that 48fps will seem VERY jarring to what you're used to seeing recorded. It will almost seem like it's being sped up. But watch it a few more times and get used to it and remember it's just closer to what real motion looks like (a good reminder of perspective is to wave your hand in front of your face afterward and recognize how wrong the blur of 24fps is).

Once you go back to 24fps it will seem downright choppy.
 
Scullibundo said:
Okay guys, got the video files uploaded for ya.

24fps

48fps


Remember that 48fps will seem VERY jarring to what you're used to seeing recorded. It will almost seem like it's being sped up. But watch it a few more times and get used to it and remember it's just closer to what real motion looks like (a good reminder of perspective is to wave your hand in front of your face afterward and recognize how wrong the blur of 24fps is).

Once you go back to 24fps it will seem downright choppy.
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I wish I could post some native 60fps footage, but it's from the beginning of a porno:(
 
Moaradin said:
I hate most of the arguments against HFR. The worst one is it feels like a soap opera. How the fuck does higher frame rate make a movie feel like a soap opera? What the hell does that even mean?
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It's not our fault you aren't paying attention. If you can't distinguish between film and "soap opera feel" then why are you excited by HFR?
 
Honestly the lighting for 48fps and 60fps is what is going to cause problems. Some of these guys that shoot on digital can't even get the lighting right on there. Moving up frame rates... can't even imagine. I mean of course corrections can be made in post but even then sometimes you can tell when something isn't lit right.
 
Quoting my post from above as I've now fixed the link for the 48fps video.

Scullibundo said:
Okay guys, got the video files uploaded for ya.

24fps

48fps - Link fixed.


Remember that 48fps will seem VERY jarring to what you're used to seeing recorded. It will almost seem like it's being sped up. But watch it a few more times and get used to it and remember it's just closer to what real motion looks like (a good reminder of perspective is to wave your hand in front of your face afterward and recognize how wrong the blur of 24fps is).

Once you go back to 24fps it will seem downright choppy.
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Hwasong said:
These are a couple of gifs I had bookmarked from the last thread made from the videos. Gives you a pretty good idea, at least until the videos are re-upped.

24fps

48fps
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Judging from those two gifs, I can see why 48fps might be advantageous to films.

It's just going to take some getting used to.

Is the Hobbit only releasing in 3D, or is that just some crazy rumor I heard?
 
disappeared said:
Judging from those two gifs, I can see why 48fps might be advantageous to films.

It's just going to take some getting used to.

Is the Hobbit only releasing in 3D, or is that just some crazy rumor I heard?
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The 48fps version is in 3D only. You'll be able to catch the regular 24fps version is 2D if you want.
 
AstroNut325 said:
Question... how do I determine if the showtime I'm buying the movie tickets for are the 48fps showing? Are all IMAX showings 48fps?
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48fps showings are labeled as "HFR."

There are five types of showings: 2D, 3D, IMAX 3D, 3D HFR, and IMAX 3D HFR. Only those last two are in 48fps.
 
disappeared said:
Judging from those two gifs, I can see why 48fps might be advantageous to films.

It's just going to take some getting used to.

Is the Hobbit only releasing in 3D, or is that just some crazy rumor I heard?
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You can watch it in 2D, 3D, IMAX 3D or HFR3D.

There is NO 'IMAX 3D HFR'. Stop spreading this bullshit. What people are referring to is HFR screening at a LieMAX (digital screen, fake IMAX).
 
as someone who has balance issues, & 24/7 dizzyness due to inner ear problems I better take some Dramamine before I go to the 3d showing I guess.
 
That was a neat video, didn't look like the motion interpolation crap at all. Motion interpolation ends up looking to me like a camera that's just been over-cranked. The soccer ball clip looked smooth, very close to what it would look like if you were actually just looking at that with your eyes.
 
Pachinko said:
That was a neat video, didn't look like the motion interpolation crap at all. Motion interpolation ends up looking to me like a camera that's just been over-cranked. The soccer ball clip looked smooth, very close to what it would look like if you were actually just looking at that with your eyes.
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I have a native 50fps clip (Shot in 50fps) that I'm uploading now. It's from a porno, but edited to be SFW.
 
Xeke said:
People defending it keep saying that but I don't know why it is a bad comparison. I see it and think "This looks like a TV soap opera picture" it is the first thing that comes to mind.
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my friend had his TV on that mode, i thought something was wrong with the show he was watching.

everything looked orange, and everything seemed to move in slow motion separate from the background, it was like being high or something. i remember it being very distracting and i hated it.

he also liked subtitles on even when the dialog was in english.

he was weird.
 
Gattsu25 said:
How do you convert 3D glasses to 2D glasses, again?
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For me, turning normal polarized glasses upside-down makes 3D look 2D without any of the blurriness of just taking off my glasses, but I've never seen anyone make the same claim. Weird.
But my only complaint about 3D is dimness, so I would never watch a movie like that.
 
Xzeon said:
my friend had his TV on that mode, i thought something was wrong with the show he was watching.

everything looked orange, and everything seemed to move in slow motion separate from the background, it was like being high or something. i remember it being very distracting and i hated it.

he also liked subtitles on even when the dialog was in english.

he was weird.
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I do this too.
 
I saw a clip of the hobbit and tech demo of hfr at cinemacon this year and was amazed by the difference. The picture is so much smoother when the screen pans.

My first impression was its going to make a huge difference to 3d but I'm suprised people are not liking it.
 
Wait, so 2D is only 24fps? So they filmed it in 48fps and removed half the frames? That will look like shit!
 
I really don't want to see it in 3D and I really don't want to see it at 48 fps, but I already have the tickets for imax opening day and I'm still excited!
 
Dice said:
So they'll just magically put back in the missing visual data? How? This will be the reverse of the enhanced motion effect.
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What missing data? You mean they'll be plucking away the excess data. They have a special team of people in charge of the pull-down process.
 
modulaire said:
He's right though. The 48 fps footage is missing motion blur they need for the 24 fps film.

I guess they add it in PP.
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Yes, that is why there is a team of specialists in charge of it. It's not like they're just erasing every second frame and sending it off to cinemas.

If you think the trailers look fine then you have nothing to worry about.
 
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