Empty Space
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And we've lost Brad. Oh well I really thought he would rant on the Bombcast and that would encourage Vinny to do so as well.
Giant Bomb Thread The Third: #TeamBrad
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And we've lost Brad. Oh well I really thought he would rant on the Bombcast and that would encourage Vinny to do so as well.
vitaminwateryum
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Brad is going to filibuster for ME3 GOTY. I can feel it in my bones and it's going to be hilarious.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Amazing!
I hope the anti-spoiler babies don't ruin next week's podcast and they're allowed to actually talk in specifics. If you haven't finished 999 or ME3 by now, well, too bad!
In the original endings it totally made sense though.
If not it'll probably come up in the GOTY podcasts.
MrTroubleMaker
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dang, that would have been so good to see Brad live stream it 
Sleeplessnights
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I am not a fan of traveling back in time. This is messed up!
Basileus777
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Disliking something has nothing to do with it. Ignoring authorial intention is a valid form of criticism, not something invented for silly Mass Effect interpretations.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
ME3 maybe, but 999? Probably not.
Unless they invent a visual novel category. And even then, Walking Dead would win it. lol
eot
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No, it fit just fine because there were so many holes to fill and it was a very malleable theory. It just speaks to how bad the original endings were.
slightconfuse
Banned
if i have to play a optional DLC to make the endings make sense then bioware fucked up
Hot Coldman
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Controversial opinion incoming.
I can't agree. It was always a desperate attempt at rationalizing the poor ending to me.
Yeah, I was talking specifically about ME3.
I see what you did there
But it completely made sense, which again speaks to how shit the original endings were. It was not a reach at all. I wasn't a conspiracy theorist on that one, but I spent 30 seconds reading the breakdown of how people got to that and could see it working perfectly.
Basileus777
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999 wasn't released this year, so not relevant unless they start talking about VLR.
EmCeeGramr
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If your ending is so badly written and out of left field that people on the Internet are saying "it could only possibly be a hallucination!" out of desperation - instead of usual "what if this story was a hallucination?" theories about every story ever that get posted on the internet -, and it only makes sense if you paid $25 to add more plot, then you have messed up somewhere.
perfect
The Wizard
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Does the DLC actually make it better? I have serious doubts that ending could be fixed without a serious rewrite.
well, i played when only From Ashes was available. i can't believe reviewers didn't have Javik.
Felix Lighter
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Oh god. Brad,
They have been laid out, time and time again and still the defenders ignore them and come back with,
Infuriating.
the vast majority of the people who complained about the ending were not complaining about the unhappiness of it all. It was the gigantic plot holes, illogical motives, complete disregard for the rules of the universe they created.
you just wanted a happy ending.
Let Shepard die, let your whole damn crew die, let the reapers destroy ever living thing in the galaxy, just don't feed me that hokey, out of left field, lore ruining horse shit.
Brawndo Addict
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It absolutely did not in any conceivable way. The indoctrination conspiracy theory was simply a rationalization born from the intense disappointment the original ending created. It has as much basis in the fiction as saying Shepard has been dead since the start of ME 2 and it's all a simulated computer program by Cerberus to test what Shepard would do.
And I'm annoyed that Brad seems to be open to the idea that people just wanted a happy ending or for there to be a 100 permutations. Many people, myself included, would have been completely happy with
the game ending with Shepard and Anderson's final chat.
ED:
I was too hasty, seems like Brad just didn't know what the original ending actually was. Can't judge him for in the moment reactions.
Why do people really believe that (that we just wanted a "happy" Disney ending). Penny Arcade, Gary Whitta and now apparently Brad to a lesser extent (among many others). Why is it so hard to believe that it has absolutely nothing to do with what the complaints were about.
They really believe we are just the dumb masses, right? So petty and ignorant and incapable of understanding.
They really believe we are just the dumb masses, right? So petty and ignorant and incapable of understanding.
Where did he say that?
Exactly. Maybe Brad had a better experience, because he played some of this stuff he felt really helped complete the story. As someone who bought it on day 1, I felt like it was a fucking mess. The ending had more plot holes in than I could count, and instead addressing those plot holes, Bioware straight up retconned some of them with the EC, showing they didn't what the fuck they were doing when they made the original ending.
he didn't exactly, but there's some idiot on twitter that put that idea into Brad's head.
Hot Coldman
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RE: those assuming people wanted a
and threw a hissy fit about not getting one. I think anyone who makes assumptions about one's maturity like that, ehhh, probably not gonna be possible to argue with. Those people need to be ignored.
happy ending
Empty Space
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Leviathan and From Ashes only really give background information, but the really should have been in the game to begin with. The extended endings do fuck all.
Ros8105
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Ugh, I can't go down this rabbit hole again. Bailing out before I start dwelling about what a fantastic space opera the ME trilogy could have been.
...and the fact the extended end and post release dlc have somehow softened the blow just pisses me off more. Own your shitty ending.
...and the fact the extended end and post release dlc have somehow softened the blow just pisses me off more. Own your shitty ending.
EmCeeGramr
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And now he's learning that the Extended Cut added way more dialogue and actual dialogue options so you got a better idea what was going on. It seems he at least realizes just how much more the ending he got was fleshed out compared to the thing we got at launch.
Well for some people it is a strong component, I think. But you people are putting words into his mouth now.
slightconfuse
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i never understood the logic behind the middle ending
Jake Tower
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I told Brad he should play raw to understand the original state of the game, especially since DLC shouldn't affect GOTY considerations.
Felix Lighter
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I've actually never taken the time to watch the extended ending because I knew the basic gist was the same and there really is no salvaging it.
No one wanted a stars wars ending. Christ. It was a shit ending and I didn't want something that made me feel
and good. Just give me that is a proper conclusion to a 100+ hours of playing shepard.
happy
I do not give a FUCK if shepard died or not. Make it earned and good and thats all that matters
It's interesting seeing people tweet their descriptions of the original ending to Brad. I'd imagine if I saw the extended cut without knowing the original I would be disappointed but it wouldn't be that bad. The original ending is just nonsensical and leaves way too many things unexplained.
The extended ending does give the illusion of choice more than the original ending did. The original end made Shepard play so...willing to accept such bull shit, and the player had no say in any of the choices anymore. The EC sorta adds dialogue where it gives the illusion of choice, where you at least make an argument.
Yea.
slightconfuse
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if anyone was expecting a happy ending after WW2 happened on a galactic level you are crazy
Basileus777
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This game won't go far in GOTY discussions anyway. Patrick at least seems to understand how poorly written the end is, Jeff dislikes the ending, and I don't see anyone fighting for it.
Darkflight
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Yep
I'd have had Shepard die in the laser and then the universe gets over-run, about as unhappy as you can get, but it makes sense - that ending would have been the only one if I'd made it. You add the choice in during the final mission (send a squad member off to do something, they die or don't, races you helped come and assist you) I really hated how you saved all these races and they didn't help you thin the herd of enemies before the final push
Empty Space
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I thought this was always the plan I wonder who changed his mind. It really isn't the same thing. Leviathan specifically blew my mind when I played it.
Because it's easier for them to misrepresent and ignore the real complaints and make straw man arguments instead.
What bothers me is the use of "completely" and "perfectly." You can certainly force the indoctrination theory to fit if you bang your head enough, but it simply did not to anyone who realized what story was being told here. As if Mass Effect was some complex and super meta tale to begin with. All it takes is occam's razor to see that it's just an awkward and rushed ending.
edit: good lord we're back to
"we didn't want Shepard to die"
nope not it at all
edit: holy shit dark souls 2 and mgs v
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