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watching that 39 minute video. holy crap at the arrival DLC i never played it seems bioware didn't ether.
Giant Bomb Thread The Third: #TeamBrad
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I can't tell if Leviathan was content cut from the full game or if it was made in response to filling up all of the ending's original plot holes. Either way, with it the ending at least makes sense. Brad got to experience a better game than anybody who played it at launch.
Still, it doesn't fix all of ME3's problems.
. And other things I've forgotten since it's been so long since I played the game and cared.
And
Still, it doesn't fix all of ME3's problems.
You're still besting a Reaper because you can run left and right (Grr stop moving so I can shoot you with my laser!). You're still doing that really dumb Deckers Die-esque sequence. Tali is still just a photoshopped stock photo of a human
And
while the reveal of the Leviathan is cool, it's still just a repeat of the reveal that Sovereign was actually an alive thing called a Reaper. And that first time you speak with Sovereign was so cool and it said so much about the Reapers. It made them seem like ancient god creatures that have been around the longest and are the best at everything. Which they ended up not being, because that's what the Leviathan are. And the Leviathan are what the Reapers always should have been. But I suppose you couldn't pilot a Leviathan, since I imagine they aren't hollow inside.
Which is a dumb concept on it's own. You spent ME1,ME2 and most of ME3 fixing EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM IN THE GALAXY.
I mean, quite literally.
And now at the end, it's "everything you did doesn't really matter, you are all fucked or you get transformed into weird green thing"
I'm pretty disappointed that he didn't. I think it would be hard to understand just how disappointing the original ending was.
Leviathan spoiler:
I was more referring to the Cthulhu like race that created the Reapers and could basically completely dominate and overtake the galaxy whenever they want to because they have godlike powers.
HamPster PamPster
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The podcast this week is going to be fantastic. Not only the ending discussion, but the GAF thread too. We all know a good part of the ME3 conversation is going to inevitably end up at "aren't those internet gamers so entitled!" and GAF looks like its just ready to blow... I can't wait 
Brad, spoiler section this shit, do not dance around anything. You hear me Spoilermaker?
Brad, spoiler section this shit, do not dance around anything. You hear me Spoilermaker?
eot
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Well, it was written by the new studio (Edmonton?)
plantedunicorn
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Aside from the fact that the ending just came out of nowhere, my biggest problem was it seemed like everything the kid was saying was just a massive contradiction.
Felix Lighter
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The podcast this week is going to be fantastic. Not only the ending discussion, but the GAF thread too. We all know a good part of the ME3 conversation is going to inevitably end up at "aren't those internet gamers so entitled!" and GAF looks like its just ready to blow... I can't wait
Brad, spoiler section this shit, do not dance around anything. You hear me Spoilermaker?
Awww geeeez. I don't know if I have the energy.
Kid was pulled out of air, never ever gave the game any indication of a higher power.
Because ME3 does not deserve to be any discussion for anything GotY related. Unless you're talking about Best Multiplayer maybe.
edit: ^_^ 2 Chies one after another, heh.
Empty Space
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That DLC paints an awfully grim future for the universe if you picked the destroy ending.
Sorry I meant the end of year discussions like "best use of a bow" or "most disappointing", not just the actual GotY discussion.
GeneralGrey
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I'm interested in seeing how far into this Jeff will let them go on the podcast. He's always seemed adamantly opposed to the idea. Maybe that's partially a function of Brad not having finished though.
Empty Space
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Basileus777
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I think Jeff was just sick of all the nonsense surrounding ME3. But they are going to have to have that conversation now, either on the normal podcast or for GOTY stuff.
lol, neogaf riot!
I think it's worth talking about and I'm sure Brad was the one holding them back aside from the crazy. The extreme backlash is gone so they won't be flooded by angry mail or tweets. Besides, awful trilogy ending aside, I enjoyed my time well enough with the Mass Effect franchise.
Felix Lighter
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Ha ha. I almost forgot. Some good did come out of it I guess.
ColonelColon
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How does the theory not make sense in a fictional universe
where mind control is a prominent aspect of the story? You're expected to simply accept the universe-shattering options (two of which allow the Reapers to live) presented to you by the Catalyst, an entity that controls the Reapers, even though you've been shown repeatedly over the course of the series that the Reapers will worm your way into your head and control you if you allow them to. It's not exactly outrageous to infer that the Catalyst could have been a manifestation of the Reaper's control over Shepard, especially when you consider that it takes the form of a boy whose death was haunting Shepard's dreams.
I already expect Brad to play down the controversy and be all "it wasn't that bad". Any bets on the word "entitled" being used?
EmCeeGramr
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look at the old wounds you've opened brad
you've ripped off the scabs and the blood flows free once more
you've ripped off the scabs and the blood flows free once more
Yep...yep...How this shit ever got released in this state is beyond me. Many of these concerns are still not addressed in the EC either.
It doesn't matter that the concept of mind control is in the game, the story being told is direct and not of that caliber.
Felix Lighter
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There was definitely some overreaction from parts of the community and I never expecting the ending to change, that was unfortunate and the worst part of it all was the extreme fans that went too far became the story and dominated most of the game press discussion of the whole thing.
Oh gosh, how dare them having a conversation and a different opinion maybe. Let's go into the podcasts with the expectations that they are wrong in the first place so I can complain afterwards too!
Basileus777
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Without the fan reaction, the extended cut never gets made. Leviathan was probably written well after the game had gone gold. The whole "taking things out for DLC" argument doesn't really apply except for Javik. Bioware just did some work after the fact to try to patch up their horribly written game. The problem isn't DLC, it was the initial writing.
Took some while for me too, and I think most of the players. So I find it weird to jump on his first reaction.
Jake Tower
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Brad just read a list of everything the EC added, now he feels like
I don't think it's just about being a fan. I actually quite like Lovecraft-ian horror and how it shows that humans are just irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. But that's never been apart of the ME universe. If anything, the series has been about overcoming great obstacles and how you can solve almost any issues through courage and friendship.
Introducing a species of god-like creature at the very end of a game is simply stupid. Even more so when it's DLC and optional. Even more so when it will never amount to anything because the trilogy is over.
It's just non-sense at this point.
It's just non-sense at this point.
Gotta plug those holes tho.
Empty Space
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While I imagine you're right that the writing, programming, and assets were all done long after the game went gold. There is no doubt in my mind that the information found in Leviathan is something they contemplated putting into the game. Considering everything else Leviathan should have been in the shipped product.
eot
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I think it was a disappointing game even if you disregard the parts the drama focused on.
Terrible fetch quests, clearly unfinished reworking of the ME2 planet scanning / normandy overworld, makes the #1 decision in ME2 irrelevant (save / kill base), does the same with the rachni choice from ME1 (the game just invents a new rachni queen if you killed her), removed all neutral dialogue responses, had a lot more scenes without any player choices or choices where what you picked made zero difference, harbinger is nowhere to be seen, illusive man is a undermined as a character by the fact that he was just indoctrinated all along and most importantly nothing you do has any significance at all in the final mission. War assets are pointless.
Just look at all the things that made the ME2 suicide mission great and then realize that none of that is there in ME3's final mission. It's a culmination of everything you've done throughout the game with multiple tough decisions giving branching paths, coupled with great pacing and very strong character focus.
Just look at all the things that made the ME2 suicide mission great and then realize that none of that is there in ME3's final mission. It's a culmination of everything you've done throughout the game with multiple tough decisions giving branching paths, coupled with great pacing and very strong character focus.
Now I'm disappointed all over again. Bummer.
Spirit of Jazz
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Brad didn't have an issue with what I perceived to be the butchery of the Quarian, Geth, and the conflict between them on Rannoch. If you're not a fan of the writing style in Mass Effect 3 I'm not sure why you'd expect Brad to be on your side at the ending.
meltingparappa
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No one posted this yet? Jeez.
(spoilers, haaaaa)
(spoilers, haaaaa)
With more development time, I imagine we would've gotten Javik as a part of the main game and a much better ending that wouldn't even need Leviathan. BUT GOTTA KEEP THEM EA STOCK HOLDERS HAPPY.
slightconfuse
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the ending needed to be simple. just get the job done, so space child bullshit.
chickdigger802
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999 best 2010 game of 2012?
WrenchNinja
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Yes, yes, I can feel it. The hate is bubbling out from me right now.
They better have a spoiler cast about this. Hopefully he'll talk about it this Tuesday.
They better have a spoiler cast about this. Hopefully he'll talk about it this Tuesday.
Haunted
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I'm not a fan of retconning, especially in reaction to fan complaints.
I'm not watching the extended cut and I don't want to know what's in it, when I discuss the ending it's always in its original form.
I didn't hate it as much as others. It certainly doesn't "disqualify" ME3 from goty discussion, that's done with the deus ex machina and other characters that are introduced. It's not good enough to be a serious goty contender in my opinion, and that's before the disappointing ending comes into play.
I'm not watching the extended cut and I don't want to know what's in it, when I discuss the ending it's always in its original form.
I didn't hate it as much as others. It certainly doesn't "disqualify" ME3 from goty discussion, that's done with the deus ex machina and other characters that are introduced. It's not good enough to be a serious goty contender in my opinion, and that's before the disappointing ending comes into play.
slightconfuse
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yes and persona 4 golden 2008 best 2012 game
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