Nah, the eugenics war was in the 90s.
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Nah, the eugenics war was in the 90s.
Yep, which means Khans rise to power would have been in the 80's.
Supermen or no, world domination takes a long time.
messy doesnt even begin to show it. enterprise moved the war to the 2030's but left the 1996 thing as an expremental thing. They then say two diffrent ships left (they explain it as after the botany bay the rest were prison ships) and created the "humanoid" Klingons of TOS Original Universe which explains the Briar Patch (Nemises) and Wolf's Embarriment when asked about the lack of ridges (DS9 rememeberance of the Trouble with Tribbles Episode) etc.
Yep, which means Khans rise to power would have been in the 80's.
Supermen or no, world domination takes a long time.
I think even in Space Seed it was described as having happened pretty much entirely in the 90s.
I don't think people really consider the portrayal of the 80s as canon-busting in general. Khan is presumably out there somewhere, but the US is still largely similar to our own universe at that point.
It's just a line of thought I got into after doing the Space Seed/TWoK double header. No big deal.
Yeah if I recall they specifically mention 1992-93 as when the supermen sieze control of dozens of countries around the world. War lasts for 3 years then Khan and friends abandon ship.
And even then the Eugenics War never really hits the United States and other major powers and is instead devastating for Asia, Africa and the Middle East basically. Basically take the modern world and where dictators easily rule and take power and just scifi it up and boom eugenics war regions
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Just saw this.
http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/a-day-at-bad-robot-gives-us-a-better-look-at-star-trek-into-darkness/3
A guy doing a STID press junket at Bad Robot has a compelling theory (albeit one he only half-believes himself) that the villain of the movie is...
(Those of you complaining about the name Gary Mitchell shouldn't even bother un-spoiler-ing.)
http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/a-day-at-bad-robot-gives-us-a-better-look-at-star-trek-into-darkness/3
A guy doing a STID press junket at Bad Robot has a compelling theory (albeit one he only half-believes himself) that the villain of the movie is...
(Those of you complaining about the name Gary Mitchell shouldn't even bother un-spoiler-ing.)
...Robert April.
PhoncipleBone
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Wouldn't make any sense since this timeline is way too different. He is never Captain of the Enterprise etc
MisterHero
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He'd be a lot older too. I'd like to hear more of this compelling theory.
DrForester
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I was just thinking about Robert April earlier today.
Certainly a blank slate.
It really doesn't matter. Keeping it secret is just keeping fans talking. The average movie goer doesn't know April, Mitchell, and I'd even say the average person has no real clue who Khan is either. They're not going to gain or lose moviegoers because of tho the villain is.
Certainly a blank slate.
It really doesn't matter. Keeping it secret is just keeping fans talking. The average movie goer doesn't know April, Mitchell, and I'd even say the average person has no real clue who Khan is either. They're not going to gain or lose moviegoers because of tho the villain is.
PhoncipleBone
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Exactly. I mean, who the hell was Nero? It didn't matter. People still saw the movie.
Watching the trailer again, Cumberbatch says "You think your world is safe. It is a comforting lie told to protect you. Enjoy these final moments of peace, for I have returned to have my vengeance."
I don't think Mitchell would say that because Kirk left him for dead.
Also, these lines could be taken out of context. It's possible he's describing another threat to Earth, not himself.
Maybe JJ will pull a huge twist and Cumberbatch plays a hero and Peter Weller is the villain. Some wild guesses have Peter Weller as part of Section 31. Maybe the lie would be a reference to something Section 31 has covered up.
The "Enjoy these final moments of peace, for I have returned to have my vengeance" could be from another scene. Perhaps Cumberbatch confronting the true villain.
I don't think Mitchell would say that because Kirk left him for dead.
Also, these lines could be taken out of context. It's possible he's describing another threat to Earth, not himself.
Maybe JJ will pull a huge twist and Cumberbatch plays a hero and Peter Weller is the villain. Some wild guesses have Peter Weller as part of Section 31. Maybe the lie would be a reference to something Section 31 has covered up.
The "Enjoy these final moments of peace, for I have returned to have my vengeance" could be from another scene. Perhaps Cumberbatch confronting the true villain.
Hell I still don't know who Nero was!
Pudding Tame
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Then read the article in the link.
If you don't want to do that then...
It should be noted that the characters only appearance was in TAS and it involved aging backwards.
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Kirk basically screwed Mitchell out of godhood, I'd say that's a pretty good framework for "revenge"
Yes but it sounds like Cumberbatch is talking to a larger audience than just the Enterprise crew in the trailer. It seems like something one would say to the whole planet or something. Why would he say that because Kirk wronged him?
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Cumberbatch is an anthropomorphized take on the Whale Probe from Star Trek IV, and he's very pissed about the lack of Humpback Whales in this timeline.
I approve of this.
PhoncipleBone
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Cumberbatch is the reincarnation of Gene Roddenberry that has come to exact vengeance for all Trek fans that do not like the rebooted universe.
DrForester
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No, Cumberbatch is the fat trader who had the Tribble, and Kirk killed his business after taking away his trade license after the tribbles got to all the grain in the storage compartments storage compartments.
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NotTheGuyYouKill
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Cumberbatch is a mirror universe Kirk that grew up in England and got plastic surgery and then crossed over so there could be a plot.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Cumberbatch... is... Nero's great-great-great Grandfather.
DrForester
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Cumberbatch is NOMAD.
Seriously, that would be badass.
Seriously, that would be badass.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Cumberbatch plays...
Benedict Cumberbatch, a 21st century actor accidentally driven mad due to an alien time travel experiment.
Benedict Cumberbatch, a 21st century actor accidentally driven mad due to an alien time travel experiment.
He's the Will Decker/V'Ger hybrid thing. He went back to prevent Kirk from letting him merge with V'Ger and ended up in the new timeline instead.
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It's gonna be hilarious when he turns out to be sybok and they just removed e ears for the promotional material
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If only that were true.
Sybok is the one I know it can't be. No way do they tie this movie in any way to Star Trek V.
I'd believe Cumberbatch is playing a Jefferies tube before I'd believe he's Sybok.
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He describes himself as a "simple miner". He's obviously Romulan. What more do you need?
Why would the Borg be there at that time? Attracted by detecting the advanced technology of the Narada?
Narada was outfitted with Borg Tech so that could work. They would need to dial the borg back to a more primitive state of the collective. Perhaps less robotic but clearly on the path to TNG level borg
If it lets them retcon in V'ger as the origin of the Borg I would be okay with that.
MrCunningham
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Adding the Borg to the Kirk timeline would contradict JJ. Abrams whole statement of "Only Star Trek TOS series matters".
Wait, Peter Weller is going to be in this? That is kind of... awesome....
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