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[Zzoram]

So why is he so young and able to join Starfleet?

Edit: Not saying you are wrong, just that nothing feels like it fits at the moment.

Actually as we saw in ST09, people in middle age seem to join Starfleet pretty regularly.

 

[Jackpot]

Nah, the eugenics war was in the 90s.

What about Voyager time travelling back to '97?

 

[CorrisD]

What about Voyager time travelling back to '97?

Didn't the writers at the time of Voyager try to explain it off, the wars didn't hit america and all the conflicts around the world we have actually had were orchestrated by these genetically engineered guys who also took part.

Or something, lol.

 

[Novid]

Didn't the writers try to explain it off, the wars didn't hit america and all the conflicts around the world we have actually had were orchestrated by these genetically engineered guys who also took part.

Or something, lol.

thats what they said. the eugenics wars were pushed back to the 2030's but the 90's were the start of the minor conflicts.

 

[maharg]

What about Voyager time travelling back to '97?

Voyager is terrible. ST4 is not.

 

[Tobor]

Who gives a shit who he is. I thought that by now people would have learned to stop buying into the Lindelof/Abrams secrecy ploys. Whoever it is, it won't nearly live up to the time you're putting into worrying about who it is.

Abrams' films are enjoyable for the story and never, ever the plot points he shrouds in secrecy - which always fall short.

We're just having fun, dude.

Besides, this is Star Trek. Speculating and handwringing about Trek predates the Internet.

 

[Zzoram]

thats what they said. the eugenics wars were pushed back to the 2030's but the 90's were the start of the minor conflicts.

I wonder if we'll live to see a eugenics wars type event in our world.

 

[Jackpot]

Voyager is terrible. ST4 is not.

What about when Enterprise travelled to the noughties?

 

[MisterHero]

Then read the article in the link.

If you don't want to do that then...

Spoiler

It should be noted that the characters only appearance was in TAS and it involved aging backwards.

Oh wow. I must've stayed up too late because I didn't even notice it. If they keep renaming set pieces and characters, they might as well cut alternate full-length movies too. It might be interesting to see what he did instead of commanding Enterprise.

If they can somehow combine the mirror universe story with a time travel story they could get Shatter in it as Old evil Kirk.

They were so close to doing this in Enterprise. Emperor Tiberius isn't my first choice to bring Shatner back, but I'll take it.

Mirror Spock supposedly used the Tantalus field on Kirk. It didn't kill its victims, just put them somewhere else. Tiberius would've wound up in the Enterprise-era main universe, just like how the Defiant wound up in the Mirror Universe.

 

[Htown]

What about when Enterprise travelled to the noughties?

Enterprise went to Detroit, so it looked like a war-ravaged Earth anyway.

 

[Sapiens]

Luckily, Voyager isn't canon. I mean, Starfleet would never have so many untalented and uncharismatic people staff a ship, right? Janeway's bitchface alone would incite a galaxy wide war.

It was another one of Captain Picard's terrible dreams.

Just pretend it never happened.

 

[Slermy]

It was another one of Captain Picard's terrible dreams.

So Seven-of-Nine is some fantasy of Picard's?

 

[Sapiens]

So Seven-of-Nine is some fantasy of Picard's?

Half way through, he realized that this was a terrible dream, even by his standards, and he decided to spice it up with most frigid of all frigid women.

 

[Phoenix]

If they can somehow combine the mirror universe story with a time travel story they could get Shatter in it as Old evil Kirk.

That would be fracking awesome!

 

[XiaNaphryz]

We're just having fun, dude.

Besides, this is Star Trek. Speculating and handwringing about Trek predates the Internet.

Indeed, all the speculation discussion is entertaining stuff.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Zzoram, where did you see the trailer?

 

[GameplayWhore]

The whole mirror universe needs to be incorporated somehow.

I need me some Spock goatee.

I want them to wait twenty years and then do a mirror universe story that uses the original mirror universe. Like, seeing an evil version of '80s Shatner and Nimoy facing off against a '30s Pine and Quinto. :O

Spoiler

Total uncanny valley fanboy ravings, yes.

Also, you guys are silly with your predictions. Cumberbatch is obviously a younger Soran who just leaped out of his first visit to the Nexus and is pissed after watching a bunch of Humans scheme to defeat him in the future.

 

[Anticitizen One]

So Cumberbatch is playing a brand new character which I figured. LOL @ the people who kept holding up some old interview with the writers that said he was a character from the canon.

 

[Forever]

So Cumberbatch is playing a brand new character

Wait, where did they say that?

 

[Jackpot]

and he decided to spice it up with most frigid of all frigid women.

She did offer to "copulate" with Harry just to find out what it was like.

 

[Tobor]

So Cumberbatch is playing a brand new character which I figured. LOL @ the people who kept holding up some old interview with the writers that said he was a character from the canon.

Lol @ you being so certain just because they announced a name.

 

[Synth_floyd]

So the villain isn't Khan...but he's probably still Khan anyway.

 

[Anticitizen One]

Wait, where did they say that?

Did you not read the last page? He's playing some new guy named John Harrison

 

[Forever]

Did you not read the last page? He's playing some new guy named John Harrison

lmao.

Did you not read page 28? This is not new.

Next you'll be telling me that Marion Cotillard played Miranda Tate in TDKR.

 

[maharg]

I think it'd be weird for Khan to be going incognito. Not really his style.

 

[Tobor]

lmao.

Did you not read page 28? This is not new.

Next you'll be telling me that Marion Cotillard played Miranda Tate in TDKR.

Don't forget Liam Neeson playing Henri Ducard in BB.

 

[GameplayWhore]

Did you not read the last page? He's playing some new guy named John Harrison

That's John Soran Harrison. They accidentally left out his middle name.

Spoiler

Well, I'll be -- I've had the character's name misspelled for years!

 

[MisterHero]

Soran traveled back in time to warn Earth about the Borg who destroyed his home

despite them still being far out in the Delta quadrant, and probably before they built the transport hub

did you know there's a TOS manga that suggests an origin of the Borg?

if it's Soran we can expect a Whoopi Goldberg cameo

 

[Messypandas]

His real name will be revealed at the end... Ringo McCartney

 

[GameplayWhore]

Soran traveled back in time to warn Earth about the Borg who destroyed his home

despite them still being far out in the Delta quadrant, and probably before they built the transport hub

did you know there's a TOS manga that suggests an origin of the Borg?

if it's Soran we can expect a Whoopi Goldberg cameo

It still blows me away that she wasn't in First Contact. Hers literally had the most invested interest in the Borg of all recurring characters that I can think of.

 

[MisterHero]

It still blows me away that she wasn't in First Contact. Hers literally had the most invested interest in the Borg of all recurring characters that I can think of.

There could even have been 2 Guinans- 1 in First Contact's time and 1 present Guinan!

wut if cumberbatch was zephram cochran being helped by the companion

 

[GameplayWhore]

There could even have been 2 Guinans- 1 in First Contact's time and 1 present Guinan!

wut if cumberbatch was zephram cochran being helped by the companion

I think I'm enjoying all this crazy speculation more than I will enjoy the movie.


But seriously, it's driving me a little nuts that we have two revenge plots already, but the characters haven't really even done anything yet to warrant people wanting revenge against them! One of the downfalls of the TNG films was the repeated Khan aping. A vengeful bad guy doesn't automatically make a good or fun story!

 

[inm8num2]

I think Cumberbatch will be like Nolan's John Blake. It'll be Abrams' version/amalgam of Khan, Mitchell, and Harrison all mixed into one lens flared package.

 

[Zzoram]

Talking to MTV, Benedict Cumberbatch did some reveals about his character John Harrison in Star Trek Into Darkness, saying "he is a terrorist." And fueling to speculation he says "He has extraordinary physical powers, but also mental powers. He can sow an idea, which is as powerful as gunshots or close-hand combat, which he’s masterful in. He tears into the fabric of both the world and the Enterprise family, and he leaves behind him a trail of devastation. It’s quite exciting to watch.”

With the reveal that Alice Eve is playing Carol Marcus, Chris Pine was asked if he has a love interest in Into Darkness, and Pine said "so much happens, the action and plot is so fast, there really isn’t much time for Kirk do do anything but save the crew." However he did note that "Kirk loves a blonde" so there is some "flirting" at least. But more importantly, Pine revealed that Marcus’ "scientific knowledge" is a key to resolving the crisis posed by Cumberbatch’s John Harrison.

http://trekmovie.com/2012/12/12/wat...n-details-chris-pine-talks-kirk-romance-more/



Still doesn't answer who the villain is but makes Khan possible.

 

[The Technomancer]

The Carol Marcus thing doesn't really point to anything, unless they're literally retreading "Khan wants the Genesis project" plot, which I doubt.

 

[maharg]

http://trekmovie.com/2012/12/12/wat...n-details-chris-pine-talks-kirk-romance-more/



Still doesn't answer who the villain is but makes Khan possible.

Really? Basically none of that sounds like Khan to me in any way. Khan's not a terrorist, he's a ruler. He's got a strong force of personality, but he doesn't have what sounds like borderline mind control powers. He's certainly not a telepath or an empath or anything like that.

If everything they've said is true AND he's Khan, he's a really really different Khan.

 

[Forever]

Really? Basically none of that sounds like Khan to me in any way. Khan's not a terrorist, he's a ruler. He's got a strong force of personality, but he doesn't have what sounds like borderline mind control powers. He's certainly not a telepath or an empath or anything like that.

If everything they've said is true AND he's Khan, he's a really really different Khan.

I don't think they're necessarily implying telepathic powers, it could just mean he's really cunning.

 

[Novid]

I think I'm enjoying all this crazy speculation more than I will enjoy the movie.


But seriously, it's driving me a little nuts that we have two revenge plots already, but the characters haven't really even done anything yet to warrant people wanting revenge against them! One of the downfalls of the TNG films was the repeated Khan aping. A vengeful bad guy doesn't automatically make a good or fun story!

the TNG movies main falling apart is that they had 7 seasons, one major bad race, a "god" like atagonist, dominion war arc at DS9 and none of those plot points were going to be major motion pictures?

 

[maharg]

I don't think they're necessarily implying telepathic powers, it could just mean he's really cunning.

I think you have to row back what he said to get there, but that is possible. I still think none of it sounds anything like Khan anyway. But I also grant that I say that through the lens of not wanting it to be Khan this time, for reasons I've gone into before.

I also don't think that Khan was ever interested in revenge until it became a personal matter between him and Kirk, so if he's got some desire to wreck shit on Earth because he was ousted from ruling it then they've got a very different read on the character than I do.

 

[Tobor]

Yeah, it's sounding like it's not Khan anymore, but it's not Mitchell either.

That said, this tidbit is interesting:

One debate over a new addition to the cast can now be confirmed. Alice Eve is indeed playing Carol Marcus. In the original Trek movies, Marcus was a former love of Kirk and mother to his son. However, since this takes place before Kirk has a son, you’d imagine this film could be their courting period. In a deviation from the canon, though, Marcus is now a member of StarFleet.

So we know they are indeed changing her character, she's not just wearing the blue uniform at some point. This is a change to canon that can't be easily explained by Nero. Unless you go with a ripple in the pond chaos theory. Either way, all bets are off.

http://www.slashfilm.com/star-trek-2-bad-robot/

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

that outfit looks really weird too.

Alice Eve is a beautiful woman, but it looks like Abrams went hilariously out of his way to make her look as shitty as possible.

 

[antonz]

Harrison will be revealed as the kid Kirk sped by in the corvette who wanted a ride. After all those years of being snubbed he has his revenge

 

[DrForester]

Harrison will be revealed as the kid Kirk sped by in the corvette who wanted a ride. After all those years of being snubbed he has his revenge

There's a deleated scene from the film. That was supposed to be Samuel Kirk, Kirk's brother.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Still doesn't answer who the villain is but makes Khan possible.

You would know about this sort of thing.

 

[The Technomancer]

So we know they are indeed changing her character, she's not just wearing the blue uniform at some point. This is a change to canon that can't be easily explained by Nero. Unless you go with a ripple in the pond chaos theory. Either way, all bets are off.

http://www.slashfilm.com/star-trek-2-bad-robot/

Meh, at this point I'll accept just about any deviations caused by "Nero's incursion"

There's a deleated scene from the film. That was supposed to be Samuel Kirk, Kirk's brother.

Villain is Samual Kirk confirmed. They did say it was a very personal fight for James Kirk.

 

[Dead Man]

http://trekmovie.com/2012/12/12/wat...n-details-chris-pine-talks-kirk-romance-more/



Still doesn't answer who the villain is but makes Khan possible.

What happened to going where no man has gone before? Exploring? Fucking earth war on terrorism shit.

 

[DrForester]

Villain is Samual Kirk confirmed. They did say it was a very personal fight for James Kirk.

It's really David Marcus' ghost, from the alternate reality come to exact revenge on this Kirk for failing to save him in the alternate universe.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

What about Voyager time travelling back to '97?

I never got that either. And Internets and everything was because Ed Bagely got hold of Star Trek tech? Where was Khan and the genetic supermen and Sarah Silverman knows about the future!

 

[TAJ]

There's a deleated scene from the film. That was supposed to be Samuel Kirk, Kirk's brother.

It's too bad they didn't cut out the rest of the young Kirk stuff.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I thought he called him Johnny or Jimmy or something.