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[McHuj]

How much DDR3?

Actually, that would make it 6 or 12 GB.

 

[Clay Davis]

Decompression Block lead me to this:


http://www.bitsim.com/en/badge.htm

BADGE - BitSim Accelerated Display Graphics Engine
A display controller with acceleration for embedded systems

BADGE works as a graphics card in industrial and embedded systems, but doesn't suffer from the short life cycles affecting the usual graphics controllers. In addition it is very flexible, allowing it to interface to numerous types of processors, memories and displays.

BADGE provides 2D graphics acceleration with single or multiple video streams (including text and graphics overlay), and is an Intellectual Property (IP) core which can be used in both FPGAs and ASICs.

The modular design of BADGE allows it to be customized for your specific needs, optimizing for cost focused applications or for high performance requirements, but also makes it possible to add new functionality through your products life-cycle. Read more under "Features". New features are added upon request.

BADGE is easy to use and includes an API, drivers for both Windows CE and Linux and a backend to Qt. Due to the nature of the IP core, BADGE isn't affected by end-of-life-problems since the IP core can easily be moved to another FPGA device - even a device from a different vendor!

There is a Reference design available for BADGE, making it easy to evaluate and demonstrate intended usage scenarios. Read more under "Reference design".

Benefit highlights

Performance

High resolution - 4096 x 4096 pixels
High color depth - 24-bit color, plus alpha
Quality graphics acceleration with subpixel rendering


Flexibility

Any display format, memory type and processor interface
Scaleable for performance or cost
Scaleablefor small or large displays
Any FPGA family and vendor
Easy to adapt and modify


Future proof

Wide selection of available components and vendors
A multitude of FPGAs, packages and temperature ranges.
Surf the FPGA technology
Dramatic development of performance and price.
Product life cycle ownership
Migrate when you choose. Avoid EOL disaster.

I've just about have enough of this. someone had better start talking in terms of bits or I'm going to lose it.

 

[FrankT]

That source is a year old in a thread with a rumored 8000 series yea. The CPUs will be moot IMO, but this ram situation will be the difference maker. How much so we shall see.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

I've just about have enough of this. someone had better start talking in terms of bits or I'm going to lose it.

I can only understand simple PC terms now lol. Compare with current existing hardware so I can benchmark the shit outta it!

 

[Proelite]

DDR3 2133 with 384bit bandwidth=102.3 GB/s

Nope. I think he meant 102 GB/s for the Edram.

That kind of bandwidth for the main ram would be kind of crazy.

 

[derFeef]

We got fooled!

 

[Sid]

Actually, that would make it 6 or 12 GB.

That's a lot of RAM for a console.

 

[FrankT]

Well fuck.

Indeed.

 

[Psychotext]

Surely the bandwidth to the ESRAM is fairly irrelevant? How many times a second do you need to fill / empty 32mb?

Edit - 3,200 times apparently!

 

[TheOddOne]

Tell me about the numbers, Feef. I MUST KNOW.

 

[Backfoggen]

Next-gen ultra secret scoop: It's gonna be video games and it's gonna be good.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

So now we have another new player in Deanos, who is some sort of Microsoft ninja?

What is going on?

 

[FrankT]

So now we have another new player in Deanos, who is some sort of Microsoft ninja?

What is going on?

MS ninjas don't play. Running it like the Gestapo.

 

[AgentP]

DDR3 2133 with 384bit bandwidth=102.3 GB/s

You are likely to get 128-bit, which is 34GB/s unless you go triple channel which is more like 50GB/s.

 

[charsace]

Some of you guys saying you want AA and that 2xAA is okay have never wandered into the the high res screenshot thread where they're doing 4xSGSSAA and shit.

99+ percent of the people out there won't notice it in motion. Hell, most people didn't even notice this gen.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Inside information. I'm using spoiler alert in case someone wasn't expecting it.

Spoiler

Both consoles will come with only one controller, and they'll still supply you shitty component cables.

Shh! You heard it here first!

 

[Can Crusher]

I think you'll see tesselation in use in everything, more or less, but not to the degree some people are expecting. My understanding is that there are certain challenges, at least in durango's architecture, that will make developers carefully consider where they use it.

Isn't tesselation like the future or some shit? Why the hell wouldn't durango be made without those difficulties?

 

[DieH@rd]

Nope. I think he meant 102 GB/s for the Edram.

That kind of bandwidth for the main ram would be kind of crazy.

DDR3 on 386bit would be crazy [~quad speed of x360 main ram pool]... but the math is correct.

As for esram, theoretically it is slower than edram but it has better latencies. Maybe it will have 102GB/s after all...

You are likely to get 128-bit, which is 34GB/s unless you go triple channel which is more like 50GB/s.

I know, im just posting "math" that fits. I fully expect 128bit DDR3.

 

[Backfoggen]

Inside information. I'm using spoiler alert in case someone wasn't expecting it.

Spoiler

Both consoles will come with only one controller, and they'll still supply you shitty component cables.

Shh! You heard it here first!

i know who told you that, tell him that they know and to expect a phone call.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

i know who told you that, tell him that they know and to expect a phone call.

:'-(

 

[Karak]

i know who told you that, tell him that they know and to expect a phone call.

Ok. Seriously. That made me laugh out loud at my desk man. Bravo.

 

[Baconsammy]

Inside information. I'm using spoiler alert in case someone wasn't expecting it.

Spoiler

Both consoles will come with only one controller, and they'll still supply you shitty component cables.

Shh! You heard it here first!

Component would be an upgrade.

 

[FrankT]

i know who told you that, tell him that they know and to expect a phone call.

Haha

Ninjas everywhere.

 

[derFeef]

Isn't tesselation like the future or some shit? Why the hell wouldn't durango be made without those difficulties?

Tesselation is a DX11 feature, simple gpu power afaik.

 

[Proxy]

Next-gen ultra secret scoop: It's gonna be video games and it's gonna be good.

Nah for MS it's gonna be W8, W8, W8, you love Metro right? Kinect! We got 15 billion different ways to advertise to you on our paid service.. etc. Then they might get around to video games.

Spoiler

I'm only half joking

 

[Nachtmaer]

Nah for MS it's gonna be W8, W8, W8, you love Metro right? Kinect! We got 15 billion different ways to advertise to you on our paid service.. etc. Then they might get around to video games.

Spoiler

I'm only half joking

That's basically how their last E3s have been and how this year's most likely will be.

 

[derFeef]

That's basically how their last E3s have been and how this year's most likely will be.

Unlikely.

 

[OdysseusVA]

From jehovaTheThird

honestly : I have no fucking idea what's inside durango. I was just trolling around based on some believeable rumors from here and gaf.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Component would be an upgrade.

Oh shit, I just realized that! :lol

 

[FrankT]

Nice.

 

[JaggedSac]

That's basically how their last E3s have been and how this year's most likely will be.

Nah, the last ones were about extending the base, this one will be about creating one. And they know to create one, they have to get the core.

 

[Deuterium]

From Jehova The Third on Beyond 3D Forum thread:

honestly : I have no fucking idea what's inside durango. I was just trolling around based on some believeable rumors from here and gaf.

 

[ekim]

So now we have another new player in Deanos, who is some sort of Microsoft ninja?

What is going on?

Deanos? THere is also a junior in here with this name. Maybe this is SuperDaE?

 

[thuway]

From jehovaTheThird

His information is legit. I don't know why he came out with it...

 

[El_Chino]

jehovaTheThird: honestly : I have no fucking idea what's inside durango. I was just trolling around based on some believeable rumors from here and gaf.

Troll is successful.

Edit: BEATEN again! haha

 

[aegies]

Isn't tesselation like the future or some shit? Why the hell wouldn't durango be made without those difficulties?

Because console hardware is a series of compromises? And at least in microsoft's case, those compromises have been made with a mind to maximizing achievable, not theoretical, results. If it's happening, it's happening for a reason. Generally, that reason is hitting a power envelope/meeting a certain production cost/tuning the system to practical developer needs.

Anyway, re: tesselation, it's a great thing, but using a lot of it carries massive performance penalties even on powerful PC systems.

 

[Backfoggen]

From Jehova The Third on Beyond 3D Forum thread:

The ninjas got to him.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

From Jehova The Third on Beyond 3D Forum thread:

32 MB ES RAM is right though .

 

[aegies]

From Jehova The Third on Beyond 3D Forum thread:

This is damage control.

 

[pax217]

I think we have a bigger scoop here.

lol love it

This is damage control.

As in he's scared?

 

[derFeef]

As in he's scared?

As in someone different is writing that.

Spoiler

tinfoil hat equipped

 

[Insane Metal]

He admitted to be trolling. Or he shit himself and had to do it.

 

[deanos]

sorry to disappoint, no ninjas here.
i had a feeling Jehova was lying and i did what i did to expose him.
next time dont believe random dudes.

 

[JaggedSac]

Ninjas do not accept apologies.

 

[pax217]

As in someone different is writing that.

Spoiler

tinfoil hat equipped

...Or he shit himself and had to do it.

It's one or the other. I want to believe the former but kind of think the latter.

 

[GarthVaderUK]

I don't know what to believe any more.

 

[syko de4d]

it´s all planned by MS and Sony.

Put so many rumors in the i-net and nobody has an idea was is right and was is wrong. Perfect Strategie

 

[Insane Metal]

Yeah it's too bad, but I called it:

I'm inclined to believe that he actually knows something, but he's got just these posts in that one thread and so far has said nothing more than the rumors we already heard.

 

[derFeef]

sorry to disappoint, no ninjas here.
i had a feeling Jehova was lying and i did what i did to expose him.
next time dont believe random dudes.

Was fun though.

 

[Can Crusher]

I was expecting more ESRAM.