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Deadspin: (Notre Dame football player) Manti Te’o’s Dead Girlfriend is a hoax

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I'm not a doctor but HOW IN THE HELL DOES HE GET TO BE THE FIRST PERSON TO TALK TO HER? DID SHE COMA DIAL HIM?!? There had to be a family member in the room who she would recognize first rather than a voice on the phone.

I guess maybe you can believe Te'O if you're willing to believe that multiple people were jerking around with him on the phone, and for hours at a time. And you are also willing to believe that Te'O is mind-numbingly dumb. And that a chiseled football god would rather be in a long distance relationship with a woman he's never met rather than date the flesh-and-blood girls on campus.

Even still though, his father is quoted as claiming that Kekua came to visit in Hawaii. Which means that Manti either lied to his father about her visits, or his father is lying to the press about her visits.
 
I'm been away for a few pages. Can someone give me a quick rundown of recent developments. They have found the hoaxer?

We've known who the hoaxer was since the very beginning. No one has been able to get in touch with him yet, if that's what you're asking.
 
Is this the excuse Notre Dame fans will use for getting blown out? A la Ohio State getting blown out by Florida because some players were mad at Troy Smith.
Nah dude Ted ginn jr's dad wouldnt let him go back into the game. AND Troy smith slept with Tony Gonzales' girlfriend. Gators lucked out.
 
We've known who the hoaxer was since the very beginning. No one has been able to get in touch with him yet, if that's what you're asking.

What are you talking about? Swarbrick held an entire press conference last night.
 
I guess maybe you can believe Te'O if you're willing to believe that multiple people were jerking around with him on the phone, and for hours at a time. And you are also willing to believe that Te'O is mind-numbingly dumb. And that a chiseled football god would rather be in a long distance relationship with a woman he's never met rather than date the flesh-and-blood girls on campus.

Even still though, his father is quoted as claiming that Kekua came to visit in Hawaii. Which means that Manti either lied to his father about her visits, or his father is lying to the press about her visits.

Putting it together with the SI transcript and the Deadspin article makes things a little clearer.

From Deadspin:

Manti Te'o and Lennay Kekua did not meet at Stanford in 2009. The real beginning of their relationship apparently occurred on Twitter, as an encounter between @MTeo_5 and @lovalovaloveYOU, on Oct. 10, 2011. Here's the moment they first made contact.

Manti Te'o ✔
@LovaLovaloveyou nice to meet u too ma'am

Then from SI:

TE'O: Oct. 15 was the official date. Of last year. I've known her for four years. So we've been friends.

Which squares with what he said to SI about the "date" taking place 5 days later. But I don't greet people I've known for 2 years prior with "nice to meet you sir" on Twitter.

He is flat out lying about having met her in 2009. He either invented it himself or with someone when he was filling in the backstory.
 
So this "official date" was entirely online? REALLY?!

I don't see what's hard to believe about it. Have you had an internet "relationship" before? I have. His story is consistent how they can go, and, by no coincidence, it's also consistent with the idea of the "girl" being some dude, dragging the "relationship" on for as long as he could as part of a hoax.

So that's what, 3 people at least? All in on the hoax?

Is that a lot? How many people knowing makes this point remotely relevant to anything?

I'm not a doctor but HOW IN THE HELL DOES HE GET TO BE THE FIRST PERSON TO TALK TO HER? DID SHE COMA DIAL HIM?!? There had to be a family member in the room who she would recognize first rather than a voice on the phone.

There wouldn't be any family member in the room if it was a hoax. There never was a girl, so obviously there never was a hospital room, or a coma. That doesn't mean dude is lying. All I can imagine is some kid totally fucking with Manti. I mean, can you imagine the laughs to be had at his expense? "The breathing, the breathing" ... she only spoke in whisper to him because it was some dude.

Manti had tried for months to get her to come see her, or even accept a phone call. She would do neither, giving excuse after excuse. Then, finally, the day came when she agreed to speak, and here comes the car crash. But wait, "she can still talk ...." says her "twin brother." Twin brother, clearly the "girl," now breaths heavily into the phone sweet nothings of love.

Check the facts. I'm on point here.
 
I don't see what's hard to believe about it. Have you had an internet "relationship" before? I have. His story is consistent how they can go, and, by no coincidence, it's also consistent with the idea of the "girl" being some dude, dragging the "relationship" on for as long as he could as part of a hoax.



Is that a lot? How many people knowing makes this point remotely relevant to anything?



There wouldn't be any family member in the room if it was a hoax. There never was a girl, so obviously there never was a hospital room, or a coma. That doesn't mean dude is lying. All I can imagine is some kid totally fucking with Manti. I mean, can you imagine the laughs to be had at his expense? "The breathing, the breathing" ... she only spoke in whisper to him because it was some dude.

Manti had tried for months to get her to come see her, or even accept a phone call. She would do neither, giving excuse after excuse. Then, finally, the day came when she agreed to speak, and here comes the car crash. But wait, "she can still talk ...." says her "twin brother." Twin brother, clearly the "girl," now breaths heavily into the phone sweet nothings of love.

Check the facts. I'm on point here.
You even use an avatar of Teo's girlfriend.
 
I don't see what's hard to believe about it. Have you had an internet "relationship" before? I have. His story is consistent how they can go, and, by no coincidence, it's also consistent with the idea of the "girl" being some dude, dragging the "relationship" on for as long as he could as part of a hoax.



Is that a lot? How many people knowing makes this point remotely relevant to anything?



There wouldn't be any family member in the room if it was a hoax. There never was a girl, so obviously there never was a hospital room, or a coma. That doesn't mean dude is lying. All I can imagine is some kid totally fucking with Manti. I mean, can you imagine the laughs to be had at his expense? "The breathing, the breathing" ... she only spoke in whisper to him because it was some dude.

Manti had tried for months to get her to come see her, or even accept a phone call. She would do neither, giving excuse after excuse. Then, finally, the day came when she agreed to speak, and here comes the car crash. But wait, "she can still talk ...." says her "twin brother." Twin brother, clearly the "girl," now breaths heavily into the phone sweet nothings of love.

Check the facts. I'm on point here.

"When you have someone that you talk to every single day, that you sleep with on the phone because she's going through a lot of things and the only way she can sleep is if she knows you're on the other side of the phone, and you do that every single night, every single night for the next four months, and all of a sudden it's … silence. That silence really eats at you. It's eating at me and it continues to eat at me, but, that's where faith comes in." - T'eo in the Gene Wojciechowski interview from October.

4 months of someone breathing on the other end of a phone? So he's never spoken to the love of his life on the phone before then?

He is still flat out lying about having met her.

I don't know what to make of this story yet. There are so many inconsistencies all over the place. But Te'o at some point in the story started lying.

I just heard his Jim Rome interview here is what he said:

"She's my best friend whom I fell in love with. We slept every night on the phone together because of her leukemia. You know and going through chemo she couldn't sleep and for some reason umm. The doctor's were saying that they'd give her all these painkillers but yet she still couldn't sleep and she just said just call my boyfried and I can sleep. So in order for her to sleep we slept on the phone each morning, I mean each night, and said a prayer each night and every morning."

You're on the phone each night and never once do you actually speak to her? You're only talking to "some kid" and not her for 4 months just breathing? Again, I don't what to think. I'm not saying he's inventing this whole thing, but there are too many things that don't add up to "I was the victim of a hoax."
 
I don't see what's hard to believe about it. Have you had an internet "relationship" before? I have. His story is consistent how they can go, and, by no coincidence, it's also consistent with the idea of the "girl" being some dude, dragging the "relationship" on for as long as he could as part of a hoax.

I've developed a few strong relationships over the internet, but I've never once referred to myself as "dating" one of those people. Dating is an actual, activity that requires the two people that are present in the same physical location.
 
I've developed a few strong relationships over the internet, but I've never once referred to myself as "dating" one of those people. Dating is an actual, activity that requires the two people that are present in the same physical location.
So as soon as you are out of your significant other's sight - you are no longer dating them? Every time you have to say good bye when they go home or have to go to work or to the grocery store, you become single again?

I don't think distance matters so long as the connection is there in your heart.
 
So as soon as you are out of your significant other's sight - you are no longer dating them? ?

Of course not. You are dating once you have gone on dates and if you plan on continuing to go on dates. If I am "sleeping with" a girl it means the same thing.....we've had sex, and will probably continue to do so in the future.

You cannot say you're dating someone if you haven't been on a date with them, must like you can't say you're sleeping with someone if you haven't had sex with them.
 
I'm starting to get the feeling, after a full day's worth of the news cycle on this - that nothing's going to happen.

The majority of the press covering it is content to write it off as "meathead jock with a soft heart gets chumped hard" and leave it at that. The contingent of the press that is willing to look deeper is vastly outnumbered, and since pretty much everyone is already certain he's going to be drafted anyway, the low number of narratives that might be sexy enough to pursue will all dead-end in a low 1st/high 2nd round draft pick regardless, so expending energy trying to track the story to that inevitable conclusion will be seen as tedium, so eventually resources (what little there are) will be pulled from this weird, sad story, and spent on other, newer stories that don't have anything to do with this tiny circle of what-the-fuck closing in on itself.

At first, I thought this would be a big story, because a hoax on this level, lasting for this long, perpetuated on this level, fooling this many people and exposing such inherent laziness and incompetence on the part of the people paid to report on this stuff? How could it NOT be huge.

Turns out because the story is so big, and the hoax went for so long, and so many lazy, incompetent reporters are apparently just as simple as the people they spend their time covering, everyone would rather shrug and let this thing become a tiny, self-contained circus that people will only look at when it gets a little too loud in the backseat.
 
Turns out because the story is so big, and the hoax went for so long, and so many lazy, incompetent reporters are apparently just as simple as the people they spend their time covering, everyone would rather shrug and let this thing become a tiny, self-contained circus that people will only look at when it gets a little too loud in the backseat.

Except that the people who were lied to and reported misinformation are probably going to want to know why they were lied to. The story will gain traction again once Manti Te'O makes a real statement or interview.....and with the draft coming up soon, he will pretty much have to. The Notre Dame people that have now inserted themselves into the situation cannot duck the press either, and they will almost certainly have more to say. Already anonymous team-mates are commenting and adding to the press cycle.

Media outlets reported that Te'O had met this woman multiple times in Hawaii, and it's not because they made it up or some horrible hoax perpetrator gave them that impression. Te'O and his family have claimed that their relationship was beyond phone/internet-only.
 
So there's no doubt now that he was in on it right?

"In on it" might not be right. It may be possible that he got duped, and simply continued on with the lie rather than making the embarrassing admission that he fell in love with a strange weirdo on the internet.

He hasn't done a very good job of keeping his story straight, so that's problematic. It's clear that he and his family claimed to have physically met this woman, and that she has visited him in Hawaii. But he cannot have met this woman if he was duped because the woman he saw in the photographs was clearly not a part of the hoax.

I think they might be able to weasel out of this with minimal damage by saying that any visits he claimed to have had were lies because he was embarrassed about being in an internet relationship. But at the same time believing even that story means you'd have to think he was a Grade-A dunce, and an asshole for never once visiting this supposed girlfriend when she was in the hospital for months.

He's almost certainly lying about the depth of his emotion for her, because you don't let someone you love go through that alone. My last girlfriend had severe abdominal pain and I took the entire morning off of work to go to the ER with her. Everytime they took her away from the room for a test I worried she might have something rupture and she'd die and I'd never see her again. On the flipside, this guy let his girlfriend rot away in a California hospital when he had no school, no games, no practice, etc.
 
I'm starting to get the feeling, after a full day's worth of the news cycle on this - that nothing's going to happen.

The majority of the press covering it is content to write it off as "meathead jock with a soft heart gets chumped hard" and leave it at that. The contingent of the press that is willing to look deeper is vastly outnumbered, and since pretty much everyone is already certain he's going to be drafted anyway, the low number of narratives that might be sexy enough to pursue will all dead-end in a low 1st/high 2nd round draft pick regardless, so expending energy trying to track the story to that inevitable conclusion will be seen as tedium, so eventually resources (what little there are) will be pulled from this weird, sad story, and spent on other, newer stories that don't have anything to do with this tiny circle of what-the-fuck closing in on itself.

At first, I thought this would be a big story, because a hoax on this level, lasting for this long, perpetuated on this level, fooling this many people and exposing such inherent laziness and incompetence on the part of the people paid to report on this stuff? How could it NOT be huge.

Turns out because the story is so big, and the hoax went for so long, and so many lazy, incompetent reporters are apparently just as simple as the people they spend their time covering, everyone would rather shrug and let this thing become a tiny, self-contained circus that people will only look at when it gets a little too loud in the backseat.
I know this is what ND and Manti are hoping will happen. And it looks like they might get their wish. I don't think it has as much to do with the individual reporters, though, as it does the networks. They don't have the appetite to pursue this. It's not a very pleasant narrative.
 
They don't have the appetite to pursue this. It's not a very pleasant narrative.

What? Networks love unpleasant narratives. Not to mention that now TMZ is in the mix, and they clearly don't have the same sense of propriety as a major television network. There's all kinds of players and students more than willing to keep commenting and generating stories.

If this started and ended with just Notre Dame and Te'O then maybe a wall of silence might work - it's not like Penn State where the involvement of lawyers and police was going to keep generating stories. But at the same time this Ronaiah Tuiasosopo character is still out there, and he's very obviously a loose cannon. Even if Te'O is completely telling the truth, think of all the stuff you might do with an online girlfriend. He could have logs of sex chat, recordings of dirty voicemails, pictures of Te'O's dong, embarassing stories, etc, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if he's shopping that stuff around to TMZ right now.

If Tuiasosopo can prove that Te'O found out about this hoax and continued on with the charade anyway, then there's another week's worth of stories. And if he can prove that Te'O is somehow involved in manufacturing this narrative, then that's just gasoline on the fire. You can already see that Te'O's camp has lied about a few major details, so it stands to reason that there may be more fabrications yet unrevealed. I suppose though there's the possibility that Tuiasosopo is just a mega-obsessed fan and this was just a chance to interact with him that went to far. If he loves and admires Te'O then he probably wouldn't want to do anything to further damage him......but the fact that he decided to kill off the guy's girlfriend on the same day his grandma dies makes me think that Tuiasosopo is at least a little bit malicious.
 
i don't get why is this such a big deal??
Well, I think it's the context. Some kid embellishing his online relationship with a girl. Or people playing some mean prank on a kid. I'm sure it happens all the time. But it's the fact that the feel good story stemming in part from this "girlfriend" and her death dominated the college football season this year (a sport that's extremely popular in the US) and probably gave this kid a boost to where he was close to winning the Heisman (an award some people consider to be pretty prestigious). I think that stuff is what's giving it a lot of weight. Notre Dame and their season was arguably the biggest story in college football this season since they've been garbage for many years.
 
30 min radio interview with manti's uncle, alema te’o:

link

summary of interview

I don't have time to listen to all of this right now, but it's interesting because the uncle pretty much doubles down on the assertion that Manti Te'O actually did meet up in Hawaii with someone claiming to be Kekua. He pretty much implies that this woman was just a hired actress or co-conspirator. That's a pretty tough sell though, since there were already pictures of the person that Te'O believed to be "Kekua" on Twitter and Facebook. And Reba, the girl in those photos, claims that she has no ties to Te'O and has never met him.

If this is true then either the actress that Tuiasosopo found was a dead ringer for Reba, or Te'O is pretty terrible at recognizing his girlfriend from photographs. But if they'd planned to take the hoax this far, why would Tuiasosopo have used photographs of a distanct high school classmate to seduce Te'O? Why not just use actual photos of of his actress or co-conspirator?

And of course, all of this directly contradicts recent claims from Notre Dame and Manti Te'O that MT never had any actual physical meetings with Kekua.
 
i don't get why is this such a big deal??

For me, I'm just enjoying the ride. This is a crazy, convoluted, and hilarious as when a GAFfer does it, but on a much broader cultural scale.

The blatant lies from the SI interview alone had me rolling.

So I guess the whole dead girlfriend thing was an attempt to win the Heisman trophy?

As far as Te'o's involvement goes: It's clear that he lied at some point (or the whole way through), and it's clear that he lied for a reason. Everything else is murky.
 
Has anyone discussed the possibility that someone went back in time and killer her mother or father before she was conceived.
 
I think this may be a hoax within a hoax. His mate plays the hoax then Manti discovers its a hoax, says fuck you goes public with it with the end game of humiliating his friend publicly later. He finds out that people are getting suspicious with the story then "kills" her in the same week as his grandmas death to use her death as a smoke screen for the death of his "girlfriend". This is the shittiest part of the story if true. Your own grandma man.

Then his friend finds out he has been investigated and worried about the legal fallout, leaks the story to Deadspin trying to pre-empt Notre Dame going public. This also has the side effect of it falling on the shoulders of Manti as the instigator.

Yes I am high and after reading that I think he is doing a modern day Elton John.
 
It seems the media (ESPN) has really bought into the angle that he's the victim.

No they haven't. And guys in this thread were lying yesterday about First Take and their "take". Skip Bayless stated that the story sounds like Te'O is lying or made somethings up.

The only reason he's giving Te'O the benefit of the doubt is because the ND AD came out so forcefully for Te'O himself with their investigation. But the majority of the people on ESPN think at minimum he lied to everybody after being hoaxed.

And some of them think he was in on it in the beginning. Don't know why so many people on this board hate ESPN so much that they have to lie about what they say to make their own point.
 
@realfreemancbs said:
If this theory is true, Manti would end up being one of the most important stories in history.

If this guy is as big of an attention whore as many are making him out to be, it would be pretty awesome if he wasn't gay, but pretended he was.
 
I don't have time to listen to all of this right now, but it's interesting because the uncle pretty much doubles down on the assertion that Manti Te'O actually did meet up in Hawaii with someone claiming to be Kekua. He pretty much implies that this woman was just a hired actress or co-conspirator. That's a pretty tough sell though, since there were already pictures of the person that Te'O believed to be "Kekua" on Twitter and Facebook. And Reba, the girl in those photos, claims that she has no ties to Te'O and has never met him..

I'm not sure what to believe, but I can say seeing pictures of a person, then meeting them in real life, and them not looking like the pictures isn't abnormal.

Anyone that has ever dated on Match or OK Cupid or whatever can attest to this.
 
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