VGLeaks Durango specs: x64 8-core CPU @1.6GHz, 8GB DDR3 + 32MB ESRAM, 50GB 6x BD...
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Interesting. But at the same time isn't that true of all hardware manufacturers this gen?
I include the various SteamBox partners in that.
grimshawish
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Ah okay. My main worry is more bandwidth and what this does to the central computer.
For example, a cable box is for watching stuff. On mine I can watch one programme and record two more (can also record what am watching). I can't do more cause its not capable of that.
If I use this, how does it affect my Xbox at home, would be my main question. Can someone else in the house play it?
I would say this is a backwards step when considering the availability of shows out there that are provided by another business online and not by my own server. Its necessity seems rather questionable.
DVR stuff just seems well represented elsewhere. Its nice 'additional' stuff but if I have a netflix account I can get that on mobile AND on my Xbox. I'm not sure streaming from home makes all that much sense.
Personal feeling is Durango will come with a lot of wee features. I also think you'll be able to plug your cable programmes into a social thing through Xbox. Lots of wee sites do this, but nothing appears with the show. This could work with Surface and just on screen quite well.
Thats my guess for the HDMI In anyway - doing what cable can't, least I hope so. Stuff like that is actually useful.
Insane Metal
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I guess in real world numbers the RSX would be around 150GF.
THE:MILKMAN
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That would be the same amount of chips as the launch 360 then.
Oh, they aren't? But they must go with 8 chips max to make an economical motherboard wouldn't they?
Sqrt_minus_one
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I think Nintendo has shown us all that there is life outside of the traditional more graphics niche, even Valve is talking about innovative controllers with bio-metric data and VR headsets. I was hoping for more in the graphics department but what about all the new kinds of games and possibly even lower prices that these new consoles with their accessories can bring.
Sqrt_minus_one
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One thing I don't understand about the Durango specs, 68GB/S DDR3 would require a 256bit bus or am I mistaken? That seems a bit big given I am sure they will be looking at shrinking the chip size over the life of the console.
I don't know, that's why I asked
It may very well be possible that the launch units would have 16 chips and then a revision would make it 8 when 8gb chips are available in large quantities.
http://schedule.gdconf.com/session/14419343/Photorealistic_Eyes_Rendering_and_Deformation
"Ultimately, our goal is to overcome the uncanny valley with next-gen run-time techniques and good artistic direction. This is for us, the first step toward achieving truly believable characters."
"Ultimately, our goal is to overcome the uncanny valley with next-gen run-time techniques and good artistic direction. This is for us, the first step toward achieving truly believable characters."
Karak
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http://schedule.gdconf.com/session/14419343/Photorealistic_Eyes_Rendering_and_Deformation
"Ultimately, our goal is to overcome the uncanny valley with next-gen run-time techniques and good artistic direction. This is for us, the first step toward achieving truly believable characters."
Very cool!
Blizzard? Seems weird
Titan 720 Exclusive.
lol. I just mean that Blizzard is not known for their real time realistic characters.
First steps to the Holo Deck?
I can see all those experimental music artist playing music with this kind of set-up.
I don't really like the sound of this.
THE:MILKMAN
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This what I'm beginning to think. A lot of the leaked specs go against what everyone believes is likely possible in consoles.
eg: 256bit bus like you say, 16 RAM chips, GDDR5 RAM etc.
On the one hand you have some shouting "weak specs!" and on the other hand you have the above "impossibilities" for consoles.
Something isn't adding up for me and I don't know why that is.
oversitting
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Well Im expecting them to have good available by the end of the year. 16x 4Gb is possible as well.
oversitting
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Well since microsoft/sony is designing these boards from scratch, some areas they can make much better than other. So long as the end product fits in the budget when they manufacture.
THE:MILKMAN
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I would hope these consoles are in full (ish) production by June if they're coming out ~Nov!
clutch.as.it.gets.
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I fully agree. FXAA is the worst post process solution out there.
oversitting
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Well microsoft would be buying these chips before any consumer can.
While that looks cool, I'm still struggling to see the practical applications of it in gaming. I'm sure it can be used for much more than demoed there, but for the first part (with the projector) anything involving that automatically has a limited target audience, unless the system comes with a projector, which I assume would make the cost prohibitive.
The second demo shows tech that could be good if implemented well, but it would seem that either the games would need to be packed with objects to use with Kinect, increasing the cost of the games, or it would have to use "anything" and be able to process random household objects.
It'll be interesting to see gaming-related demos though if they do decide to unveil Kinect 2 with the console.
SneakyStephan
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It's called double dip.
THE:MILKMAN
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I guess we'll have to wait and see. I know it likely that Microsoft will get the chips early in any case, but had a quick look at Microns site.
DDR3 2133 8gb isn't even sampling yet.....at least for consumers.
Alx
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if that demo is what they have planned for kinect 2.0, sign me the hell up. wow.
For the record, the demo is done with an Asus xtion camera that uses the same sensor as the kinect for 360. That's current generation hardware.
oversitting
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Yea Im not sure about the speeds. Seems like using 2133 ram would make it harder to fit into the time frame needed for 8Gb chips. Who knows. But 16 chips on the first version of the console then redesigned with 8 chips is plausible.
BruceLeeRoy
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Blizzard? Seems weird
Yeah Blizzard isn't a company I would label as being at the forefront of character rendering in any shape or form.
[Clark Gable]
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At the end of the day we are moving from dx9 to dx11, It's still going to be a nice jump, and for guys like myself there's still PC. I'm just glad we are moving from the ancient 512mb memory constraint.
This is one of the main questions for me. Is this console going to multitask in that way or will you still need more than one Xbox if you want to have two people doing different things at the same time. There is no way you can play two games at the same time but maybe watch a video?
THE:MILKMAN
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Yes not really a problem to do physically, sure. But one almost universally agreed upon (at least what I've read at Gaf) is 16 chips will not happen on consoles due to cost/board complexity.
But it would explain the weaker than expected specs for some.
Since they are Activision/Blizzard, I assume this is coming more from the Activision side of things.
They do because most PS3 and 360 third party games were essentially identical and people poured over them with a fine toothed comb.
oversitting
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Im not sure where people would say such a thing because you can buy a stick of 16x 4Gb ram for $40.
THE:MILKMAN
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But on a console they're soldered directly onto the motherboard hence 16 chips would be bad.
Casanova
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About 8 Million Triceratops. Roughly.
Death Dealer
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like 22GB/s and 68GB/s
oversitting
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It wouldn't matter unless the motherboard is too small.
AgentP
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alexandros
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In the end, does it matter? Those who want to play certain exclusives will buy a console, those who want power/IQ will go PC, so it should be business as usual. Barring a major disruption from Valve or maybe Apple, I don't think the consoles' admittedly weak hardware will matter all that much. Assuming that their power levels are similar of course.
THE:MILKMAN
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The Everyman
Got damn. I thought people were saying ddr3 wasn't fast enough. I must have misunderstood. Thanks!
oversitting
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The 256 was only to the ROPs and would not be comparable.
The Kinect 1 could do that if you could hook up a projector in your room like that. Is MS going to give us a $300 projector with the Durango?
THE:MILKMAN
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I don't know if I'm explaining well enough. If someone can explain/articulate better why 16 RAM chips is a no-no for lots of reasons in a console, please chip in.
Just for the record, I'm not saying 16 chips won't happen.
AgentP
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Almost nothing about the two systems is comparable, but he asked.
Only reason is increased cost and motherboard complexity. You'd have to mount 8 per side.
Can Crusher
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Damn. From that video, Ed Fries just sounds like the perfect guy to lead a games division. But yeah, I mean, apparently MS overall was pretty loose with the original xbox and then they started tightening it up.
I kinda feel bad for Ed Fries now, the guy was all about games. Guy "found" Halo.