Any longterm Nintendo fans find the low tech route frustrating?
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GOTY awards? that means nothing to me, you tell me where I can find a game like Mario Galaxy or Metroid Prime and I'll be there.
I tried to cut Nintendo when I bought my PC, I just couldn't, but that just me, for high end graphics I have my gaming rig, I let Nintendo do their thing.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I wonder if those who have this mindset when it comes to Nintendo also have this mindset for gaming on iOS devices?
There's a huge difference between being the weakest while staying in the same ballpark as your competitors and being a whole generation behind.
Nope. Don't care about tech specs, at least not as much as controller innovation. The Wii controller is what got me back into gaming because it was different.
Anyways, I think at this point tech power is not and should not be important or focused on. I mean, imo graphics have hit a point where it looks good enough. Will some gamers ever be satisfied with graphic quality?
Nintendo is smart to bow out of the technical arms race because most of the gaming population doesn't care and people don't like pricey things.
Anyways, I think at this point tech power is not and should not be important or focused on. I mean, imo graphics have hit a point where it looks good enough. Will some gamers ever be satisfied with graphic quality?
Nintendo is smart to bow out of the technical arms race because most of the gaming population doesn't care and people don't like pricey things.
Yeah. And I think what changed the dynamic of tech in the console space was Microsoft, because Sony definitely took a much, much bigger plunge on hardware with the PS3 than they did with the PS2.
Edit: I also agree that Nintendo pulled back with the design of the Wii, but objectively the Wii U is them getting closer to the best they can reasonably manage. You could argue that they could go with a standard controller and up the specs of the hardware, but part of the lesson they learned with the GC is that if they want to do well they have to differentiate on something other than technical specifications.
Except platformers on my ipad2 are unplayable whereas Nintendo platformers are the best.
SpinningBirdKick
Banned
How can you be frustated with Nintendo for taking the low tech route?
Nintendo have always taken the low tech route, it is what they do.
It's like being mad at the sky for being blue.
If iOS devices had decent controls (e.g. actual buttons), sure.
Always? They might have done some weird hardware decisions with the N64 and Gamecube, but they weren't underpowered. Neither was the SNES and NES.
Well, it's Android for me, but I'm perfectly content with playing games on it. Just wish I could find a satisfactory Z-Machine terp for it, nothing I've found is quite what I want.
Because you can have a good game in spite of lacking tech, while tech itself doesn't necessarily guarantee a good game
uh, okay?
am i supposed to care or something...? Because honestly my give-a-shit 'o meter isn't trembling at the thought of a bunch of dudes who's opinions I place little to no value in not enjoying games I like as much as me.
Doesn´t change the fact that it was a high end console when it released and was heavily marketed on graphics. Gamecube and XBox both launched over 1 1/2 years later btw.
I guess I'm trying to say that either way the console can consist of good, fun games. I mean that new NeoGeo X handheld came out recently right? Its old tech but has awesome and fun games. Sure Vita is mega powerful and ALSO has fun games. And that power CAN enable more possibilities (like using the gyro in Gravity Daze) but that doesn't mean a game on the NeoGeo X or even the Gamegear/Gameboy cant be fun. Fun is fun!
If Nintendo announced a 4DS
lol 4D
Doesn't mean Good graphics = bad game. In the same breath I can say that good specs doesn't necessarily equal better graphics as well, it can make animations, physics, draw distance, amount of characters on screen better/improved, but I think in them instances I'm happy with what I've seen on the 3DS/WII/U without it effecting my level of fun.
Perhaps that's as much to do with the type of people voting?As far as I'm aware it's not like the various movie awards where those voting have to watch all the movies shortlisted.
I'm sure a bunch of the dudebro PC/360/PS3 voters chosen to represent various multiformat publications... had never even played Super Mario Galaxy.
MoogleWizard
Member
It did bother me with the Wii and its low resolution and ugly jaggies. Most Wii games looked like crap on an HD TV.
When it comes to handhelds I really don't care, 3DS is good enough and the most important thing is that the games are fun. I played my 3DS about 100x more than my Vita, which I sold eventually despite the great tech. And Nintendo games play great and run better than most games on more powerful hardware, they really know how to optimize their games for their hardware.
And if this:
When it comes to handhelds I really don't care, 3DS is good enough and the most important thing is that the games are fun. I played my 3DS about 100x more than my Vita, which I sold eventually despite the great tech. And Nintendo games play great and run better than most games on more powerful hardware, they really know how to optimize their games for their hardware.
And if this:
is what we can expect from the Wii U I have no complaints. It looks better than anything I played on my PS3, and I'm content with PS3 visuals, my issue with many current gen games is how badly they run, not the graphics.
Dion Blaster
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Are you that bothered that I'm not bothered?
If a console that played Nintendo games and was more powerful existed then yes, I would buy that over the Wii U.
But no console like that exists so I don't really dwell on it. It's not much of an issue.
@ SmokeyDave : you make some reasonable points, but I think you have to realize not everyone thinks and plays games for the same reasons as you. The only game on the Wii where I was thinking "I would enjoy this if it looked better" was Skyward Sword. For the most part I just enjoy the games I play.
It's not that graphics an power makes games less fun, it's that the games made for Nintendo platforms are still fun. If I was having less fun than on other platforms then I would be frustrated.
If a console that played Nintendo games and was more powerful existed then yes, I would buy that over the Wii U.
But no console like that exists so I don't really dwell on it. It's not much of an issue.
@ SmokeyDave : you make some reasonable points, but I think you have to realize not everyone thinks and plays games for the same reasons as you. The only game on the Wii where I was thinking "I would enjoy this if it looked better" was Skyward Sword. For the most part I just enjoy the games I play.
It's not that graphics an power makes games less fun, it's that the games made for Nintendo platforms are still fun. If I was having less fun than on other platforms then I would be frustrated.
SmokedMeat
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You need buttons to make a fun game?
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Extremely. I miss Gamecube era Nintendo so much! ;_;
I might want both, but I defintely do not need both. "Technically average" fun is just as fun as "techincally impressive" fun, hence why I am more than willing to accept Nintendos offerings rather than complain that they don't blow my mind as visually as next gen undoubtedly will.
this. Consoles get their head above water for ~6 month blocks every 6-7 years. Why limit this thread to Nintendo? Given how late it arrived in Europe, the PS3 didn't even manage that.
I find their relations with NA developers more frustrating. If they can work with them in a healthy way then they'll be alright. I want to see them extend their hands to indie developers more often too. They need to fix the Wii U eShop a bit more so that indie games get even more prominence.
Of course I want Nintendo's hardware to be beast like similar to Xbox3 and PS4. But I won't stop playing their games because of the hardware disparity. Their games are still too stronk.
I would LOVE to see Nintendo expand their games output though. I would love to see them open more internal studios to make games. And improving on their online structures. And truly embracing online gaming.
I think in the future they'll go back to having super duper hardware where the hard core market is happy, but it'll require Iwata and Co., to have a leap of faith... =p
Of course I want Nintendo's hardware to be beast like similar to Xbox3 and PS4. But I won't stop playing their games because of the hardware disparity. Their games are still too stronk.
I would LOVE to see Nintendo expand their games output though. I would love to see them open more internal studios to make games. And improving on their online structures. And truly embracing online gaming.
I think in the future they'll go back to having super duper hardware where the hard core market is happy, but it'll require Iwata and Co., to have a leap of faith... =p
Projectjustice
Banned
Yea this was the case with the Wii yet it outsold the HD twins.
GotEmRunnin
Member
The only Nintendo console to frustrate me was the wii. I enjoyed the games, but lack of HD and their poor online component was frustrating. Even to this day I don't see how they couldn't have at least made the wii display output 720p and still not be profitable.
Projectjustice
Banned
Yet it was the weakest and out sold everyone else in the market.
Oh absolutely, at least for everything that is not tower defense and playing only tower defense gets boring pretty fast.
Sad to see so many people call the Wii U low tech. There is a lot of modern tech in that bos doing things you will not see anywhere else. I AM disappointed with the design decisions that drove Nintendo to make a console that will be at the very low end of it's gen, again.
They wanted a small box that doesn't draw a lot of power. The Wii U is great at that. All the hardware decisions follow.
They wanted a small box that doesn't draw a lot of power. The Wii U is great at that. All the hardware decisions follow.
No, I enjoy plenty of games on iOS. But it's a different type of game. Touch-screen only controls work fine for games like Temple Run, Tinywings, Fruit Ninja, etc. And that's fine, I like those games. But many games that appear on DS, 3DS and Vita wouldn't work with that control scheme.
Nope.
I usually have more than one platform, and I enjoy (in different ways, maybe) playing on my PS3, plaing on my DS (and now 3DS) or play on the Wii. It depends on the games.
Plus, I had to wait a couple of years to purchase a PS3, due to the high price, so I'm happy that usually Nintendo hardwares are (recently) less expensive. In addition, I'm aware about the differences in terms of "company structures" between Nintendo and MS or Sony and, having suffered a lot the Sega departured from the HW business (I was a strong Sega fan back in the days...) I prefer them to proceed this way.
I usually have more than one platform, and I enjoy (in different ways, maybe) playing on my PS3, plaing on my DS (and now 3DS) or play on the Wii. It depends on the games.
Plus, I had to wait a couple of years to purchase a PS3, due to the high price, so I'm happy that usually Nintendo hardwares are (recently) less expensive. In addition, I'm aware about the differences in terms of "company structures" between Nintendo and MS or Sony and, having suffered a lot the Sega departured from the HW business (I was a strong Sega fan back in the days...) I prefer them to proceed this way.
I have never cared. I don't need every game to blow my retinas off with bleeding edge graphics, in fact if games still looked like FFXII I wouldn't care.
Games can still look nice on less powerful hardware, likewise there are lots of hideous looking games on stronger platforms. The Wii U is hardly low tech anyway, it does some innovative things hardware-wise.
Games can still look nice on less powerful hardware, likewise there are lots of hideous looking games on stronger platforms. The Wii U is hardly low tech anyway, it does some innovative things hardware-wise.
Which changes nothing about the point i made: Hardware power is an important factor.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
No, it's not "what they do". They decided to go the lo tech route with Wii.
ALL of their other consoles were up to par with the competition previously, with SNES being the most powerful 16-bit system selling at retail, unless you want to count the NEO-GEO arcade machine that barely any retailer carried, and precious few bought.
Personally I hated the lo tech Wii. I mean, sure there were fun games, and some looked really good (Mario Galaxy 2, Epic Yarn) but I'd be lying if I said I didn't wish Metroid Corruption was running on more powerful hardware.
I still think current gen games look great, so I don't mind the U being as powerful as it is. It just needs more games and third party support.
To be fair, good games can exist on touch-screen phones without buttons if they are made properly. A lot of NintendoLand games consist of touch and gyro controls and they work pretty well. Not saying NintendoLand games would work on a phone, since they do use buttons and rely on asymmetric gameplay etc, but the concepts are there.
I guess so long as there is enough power to push the industry standard TV resolutions, it's not as big a deal if it's underpowered if they're doing other cool things with the hardware and also costing less (although the U is pretty close to what the 360 launched at). HDTVs were already catching on when the Wii launched and were pretty ubiquitous by mid-cycle, let alone nearing the end of its cycle, so the lack of power was a big deal because it made things butt ugly on an HDTV.
With the Wii U, I very much doubt 4k UHD TVs will catch on as quickly as HD, so its lack of power compared to future consoles may not be as nagging, but it still may miss out on some games which are too resource intensive, or run downgraded versions of them. Then again 1080p is the industry standard now and most games aren't hitting that mark on it. But 720p on a 1080p screen doesn't look as terrible as 480p on a 720 or 1080p screen.
Resolution doesn't equate to the detail of the graphics of course, there's still a lot of room for the other two next gen consoles to do a lot more with the same resolution, but at least things won't look like bum juice on large TVs on the Wii U this time, unlike the Wii.
With the Wii U, I very much doubt 4k UHD TVs will catch on as quickly as HD, so its lack of power compared to future consoles may not be as nagging, but it still may miss out on some games which are too resource intensive, or run downgraded versions of them. Then again 1080p is the industry standard now and most games aren't hitting that mark on it. But 720p on a 1080p screen doesn't look as terrible as 480p on a 720 or 1080p screen.
Resolution doesn't equate to the detail of the graphics of course, there's still a lot of room for the other two next gen consoles to do a lot more with the same resolution, but at least things won't look like bum juice on large TVs on the Wii U this time, unlike the Wii.
That's incredibly close-minded.
Skyfireblaze
Member
Hmm I have to say no not all but then again I always see consoles no matter which as the "low-tech" route and I will likely feel the same about the PS4 and XBOX 720. And let me explain before I get flamed to death now 
I know that the final hardware of these are nowhere near finalized and I don't think they will be weak though I don't see them beating PCs this time around unlike the PS3 and 360 which was a very nice exception to the rule. I just am a person who grew up building their own PC and thanks to this my friends are also pretty much "PC gamers" and I will always have the superior tech-experience on a PC which is why I see consoles purely from a gameplay perspective and never from a tech perspective.
And don't get me wrong, sometimes there sure are really glaring differences between PC and console quality but aslong as everything else besides the graphics are good I don't really care about that especially when artstyle can do much more than raw technical power as Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 and Okami for example have shown. And to give another example, when I played the DUST 514 Open Beta on the PS3 for the first time ever yesterday I thought "Ughh that looks quite rough coming from PC games" but this thought lasted for about five minutes and then I just thought "Whoa this is fun! 
"
Or to put it in one short sentence, since PCs from a gaming perspective never were annoying to me I just play on my PC when I want to see the bleeding-edge in development and consoles are all about fun to me and nothing else
And I have to admit I seem to be somewhat lucky when it comes to PCs because I never have to reinstall Windows or anything else besides driver even when I change my motherboard, graphics-card and CPU at the same time so when I do my 200-300€ PC upgrade every few years I have minimal work for alot of new power
I know that the final hardware of these are nowhere near finalized and I don't think they will be weak though I don't see them beating PCs this time around unlike the PS3 and 360 which was a very nice exception to the rule. I just am a person who grew up building their own PC and thanks to this my friends are also pretty much "PC gamers" and I will always have the superior tech-experience on a PC which is why I see consoles purely from a gameplay perspective and never from a tech perspective.And don't get me wrong, sometimes there sure are really glaring differences between PC and console quality but aslong as everything else besides the graphics are good I don't really care about that especially when artstyle can do much more than raw technical power as Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 and Okami for example have shown. And to give another example, when I played the DUST 514 Open Beta on the PS3 for the first time ever yesterday I thought "Ughh that looks quite rough coming from PC games
" but this thought lasted for about five minutes and then I just thought "Whoa this is fun! "Or to put it in one short sentence, since PCs from a gaming perspective never were annoying to me I just play on my PC when I want to see the bleeding-edge in development and consoles are all about fun to me and nothing else
And I have to admit I seem to be somewhat lucky when it comes to PCs because I never have to reinstall Windows or anything else besides driver even when I change my motherboard, graphics-card and CPU at the same time so when I do my 200-300€ PC upgrade every few years I have minimal work for alot of new power
Projectjustice
Banned
So important that the weakest hardware can win. Yes its that important.
Frustrated? No!
But I will not lie each new generation I expect to see how the franchises evolved, graphically and gameplay wise.
I think what helped me a lot was the fact that the EAD Tokyo Mario Game, evolved very well throug GC to Wii, graphically and gameplay wise. And being the 3D Mario games my favorites, it was exciting and fresh as a new generation game should feel.
So as long as it is fun and fresh, it's ok, I mean the whole deal is the better you can have, but what I really wantl is a great game, if it's 16 bits, or if has shaders or not, is just the cherry on top.
But I will not lie each new generation I expect to see how the franchises evolved, graphically and gameplay wise.
I think what helped me a lot was the fact that the EAD Tokyo Mario Game, evolved very well throug GC to Wii, graphically and gameplay wise. And being the 3D Mario games my favorites, it was exciting and fresh as a new generation game should feel.
So as long as it is fun and fresh, it's ok, I mean the whole deal is the better you can have, but what I really wantl is a great game, if it's 16 bits, or if has shaders or not, is just the cherry on top.
polyh3dron
Banned
I'm more frustrated at Nintendo for being so behind in everything online. Tying purchases to a console, what could POSSIBLY go wrong? They'll sell you Super Mario Bros on the 3DS and make you pay for it again on the Wii U.
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
Win by what metric may I ask? Through console sales? Are you a shareholder?