Any longterm Nintendo fans find the low tech route frustrating?
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Red Dead doesn't look better than X, and X isn't even near completion.
PC/360 for me by the way.
Edit: Obviously just my opinion.
mentalfloss
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The fact that unfinished Wii U games are already getting compared to top tier games like Red Dead Redepmtion and Far Cry 3 is a very good sign.
Dion Blaster
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I agree it looks great, but since you made the claim I think you're the one who has to back it up. We haven't even seen it actually running yet.
No it isn´t, the WiiU launched 7 years after the 360.
You do understand that videogames are... Toys right? That's really what they are Video.. GAMES. t
iPads and Vita are considered to be high tech devices. Yet as far as gaming is concerned you don't play Mass Effect 3 or Call of Duty Black Ops on it with real controls.
You can play real console games on the GamePad with no control concession. So the low tech label is relative to what you look at with the Wii U.
Merely looking at what's inside the console is reductive.
Nah. That game was endless desert and did not look this good even in town.
what..? two games that came out in 2010..? I can understand the Far Cry 3 comment.. but again no, the game isn´t even coming to the WiiU..
Not fustrated really, you just have to face the truth. Nintendo (and Sega) will always have a place in my heart due to me growing up with them, but in my opinion, it is not wise to just have their console as your main system of choice anymore. They are more of a sidekick now to your main system. It's a real sticky situation because yes you will probably not get all of those great 3rd party games on Nintendo anymore, but Nintendo gets those great niche 3rd party exclusives to go along with that beefy 1st party. So all in all, you still need them, and the quality of their games outweighs the technical side of things in my opinion.
thiswasavailable
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I'm a fan of the game industry as a whole.
And for me that means I can't support Nintendo for what they are doing by going the low tech route. If MS and Sony do the same, I will fall back on PC.
I dropped Nintendo after the Game Cube. I never got a Wii, and won't be picking up a Wii U.
I want games to keep pushing forward with respect to technology. Its is technology that will enable life like experiences, whether it be a fantasy game or one based on reality. We can't get there if Nintendo doesn't push the technology. You can only replay the same-ish Mario and Zelda games so many times.
I agree that layering some hyper graphics over Mario won't make it a better game. But imagine an open world Mario where the whole world is simulated and you actually ride Yoshi's around fields and over mountain passes.
Either Nintendo can't come up with new ideas or the hardware they put out isn't capable of making such visions a reality. What Wii gamers get instead are small worlds, shoddy ports or no ports at all, and I don't want to be in that group of console owners.
But my real issue with Nintendo is simply that their brand is a kid's brand. Nintendo is what you give your kids until they are old enough to earn their own Xbox or PlayStation. As a grown man, I can't expect people to take me seriously if I play Nintendo. A man plays Xbox or PlayStation or PC or he doesn't play at all. My perception is that the only grown men that play Nintendo are mama boys who never grew up. They probably also play pokemon games and fall into all manner of nasty stereo types that I as a gamer don't want to be associated with.
Thus I keep Nintendo at arms length. I don't think Nintendo is socially acceptable for an adult.
And for me that means I can't support Nintendo for what they are doing by going the low tech route. If MS and Sony do the same, I will fall back on PC.
I dropped Nintendo after the Game Cube. I never got a Wii, and won't be picking up a Wii U.
I want games to keep pushing forward with respect to technology. Its is technology that will enable life like experiences, whether it be a fantasy game or one based on reality. We can't get there if Nintendo doesn't push the technology. You can only replay the same-ish Mario and Zelda games so many times.
I agree that layering some hyper graphics over Mario won't make it a better game. But imagine an open world Mario where the whole world is simulated and you actually ride Yoshi's around fields and over mountain passes.
Either Nintendo can't come up with new ideas or the hardware they put out isn't capable of making such visions a reality. What Wii gamers get instead are small worlds, shoddy ports or no ports at all, and I don't want to be in that group of console owners.
But my real issue with Nintendo is simply that their brand is a kid's brand. Nintendo is what you give your kids until they are old enough to earn their own Xbox or PlayStation. As a grown man, I can't expect people to take me seriously if I play Nintendo. A man plays Xbox or PlayStation or PC or he doesn't play at all. My perception is that the only grown men that play Nintendo are mama boys who never grew up. They probably also play pokemon games and fall into all manner of nasty stereo types that I as a gamer don't want to be associated with.
Thus I keep Nintendo at arms length. I don't think Nintendo is socially acceptable for an adult.
Well there where actually things in the desert like plants, dust, animals, humans etc. In X there is just emptiness. Still looks good for a current gen game but nothing more.
but that doesn´t make any sense..? I can´t pick up a WiiU gamepad and play without the console itself..? the gamepad is a controller that is streaming (sort of) the image from the console itself.. you can´t play any games on the gamepad without the console..? it´s just a controller..
Projectjustice
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Whats funny is that the comparisons people are using with Far Cry 3 are the PC versions. The console version of FC3 isn anything to be proud of.
Was just about to post this.... These new round of games shown for the WiiU look good sure, but they look nothing better than you average AAA 360 or PS3 game.
But that doesn't really matter to be honest, the only games that any real Nintendo fan cares about are the core games. Your Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Pokemon, Smash Bro's etc... If and when those core games start to suck, then Nintendo fans should start worrying about their stance on weak hardware.
I agree with you on this one. The Wii U GamePad is the biggest attraction for me. If you don't think that's high end tech, then something's wrong. Some people complain about the screen's low resolution and call it "crap" but I honestly can't see what's the big deal. Games look amazing on it.
Although, the Vita is a beast in its own regard and it does offer 90% of conventional controls for games.
I totally agree. Red dead had a 5 year development process and, lord only knows budget behind it. The fact that an unfinished game just looks easily as good and blatently better, in my opinion.
anotherVegan
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No. Low-tech doesn't necessarily mean I won't be having fun playing their games. Where else will I play Zelda and Pokemon?
Well, perhaps you see this as a low tech route. I don't. I'm as amazed today as I was when I got the Wii U, I feel like I'm holding a high tech device in my hands.
Well..the DS has quite a great library and quite close to SNES in many ways...yet it wasn't the must "hi-tech".
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Consoles wise...as long as the games are there I'm in. Plus, the N64 back then even with all the tech behind it was constantly made fun of because of the blocky characters and vaseline visuals (and losing to the PSone). Or even back to the SNES and the lack of blood in Mortal Kombat...no matter the tech, support and games fanboys acted like fanboys.
That's aside how"hi-tech" and "cutting edge" are usually tied to mostly visuals; when their hardware has been known for making up for that with other things like two screens and a touchscreen, a pointer/motion controller, glassless 3D or a controller with a screen and allows streaming to it...stuff that at the moment of their respective releases are not "the norm" across other game consoles/handhelds.
Then again, I have a Mario avatar...so "lol Nintendo fanbabies are in full force justifying their purchases and taking it from behind".
Portugeezer
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If they didn't still managed to make great looking and playing games then I would find it more frustrating.
ArtHands
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Its unhealthy for the industry if everyone goes down this route where every games became some graphical showcase with linear and shitty gameplay. If only the developers stop acting like manchildren and find no shame in making Nintendo games.
This is the greatest chance for them to have some quick cash grab on the Wii U (some compilations of their PS3/360 titles etc) while waiting for the next 2 consoles to mature, but nobody choose to eat it.
Yeah, i also think that some of the games like X, Wonderful 101 look pretty good and i´m looking forward to play them one day. But people need to stop pretending that they are somehow beyond current gen graphics, they are not.
The WiiU is not an hardware upgrade over 360/PS3, i know that sucks and people have expected more (me too) but that´s not what it is. Get over it.
I don't want three identical consoles. I want them to go 3rd party so I can just play their damn games =P
TheJollyCorner
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Why do people continue mentioning the NeoGeo to make some kind of "SNES was underpowered too!" comparison?
The 16bit market was what everyone was focused on at the time.
NeoGeo was a premium 'specialty' system where probably 98% of the games were by SNK. It wasn't even in the same league as the SNES, Genesis, and Turbo16.
No home console could compare to it, so it's not really fair using it in the same tech discussion with the 16bit players.
On it's own, the SNES was a masterpiece tech wise. The only thing Genesis had on it was faster processing power, but number of colors on screen (obviously effecting the overall graphics) & sound system were leaps ahead.
Any game that went multiplatform to the SNES & Genesis (unless designed dramatically different, like Aladdin or Jurassic Park) always looked and sounded better on the SNES. Sometimes by a significant amount.
As far as I'm concerned the SNES was Nintendo's peak as far as a perfect balance of tech, ambition/competition, and support from 3rd parties.
The NES was a runaway success that had no real challengers, but Nintendo had to work during the 16bit era... and they did.
This better be a troll post.
If not, you should really learn the difference between a game for kids and a game for all ages.
Yep. Still getting a Wii U, but chances are, the bulk of the titles I play will be on my PC. There's just too much of a risk of having a software drought if you have a Nintendo system on its own. The WiiU is also the perfect opportunity to go back and play the best titles that came out for the Wii if you chose to skip that system like I did (did buy xenoblade just to play it at a friends house on occasion).
Not sure if serious...
phosphor112
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It's like the first time they've seen an HD game. I've mentioned this in another thread... for several pages. Apparently FC3, RDR, and Just Cause 2 (all open world games with hundreds of more things on screen) isn't impressive compared to X...
Not true...to an extent. Yes, at the end of the day, what I care about at the games. If Nintendo games start to suck then I would start worrying about Nintendo though, not about the tech inside their console. My love for Nintendo games has nothing to do with weak hardware.
And in the case of the Wii, there were a nice number of titles that weren't made by Nintendo that was pretty awesome, so it's really not all about the graphics for me personally. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not gonna say that I don't like 'teh grafix', that's why I also bought a PS3 for HD titles with nice graphics to boot.
Dion Blaster
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The Horror the horror
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Nintendo was doing fine in the tech department before Microsoft and Sony decided to pump the arms race with venom steroids and changed the standard of what constituted as a "generational leap in hardware." Also, the gradual influx of tradtional PC publishers and developers in the home console market at the turn of the century prefaced a greater demand from within the industry for cutting edge hardware and game engines.
Aquamarine
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Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.
- C.S. Lewis
At this point i´m pretty confident that the WiiU is the first HD console for some people here. There is no other way to see more than current gen graphics in these games.
TheJollyCorner
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well, other than the try-hard Play it LOUD! campaign during 1994, the "it's for kids" stigma behind Nintendo is something they've kind of brought on themselves since the mid 80's.
I also related to Nintendo's main franchises much more when I was a kid than I do now.
Many Big N fans find it endearing, but Nintendo still designs and markets their systems like toys, unlike Sony or MS, which market their systems like multi-use home entertainment devices.
Hmm I seem to remember elaborate rock structures and foliage and trees in the trailer. Bushes are impressive though.
This place will become like an echo chamber that will consist of multiple justifications defending nintendo's decision and compensating by claiming nintendo only related game's gameplay and art being superior to games released not on nintendo platforms making them look and play better than anything on the 360/PS3.
It has already happened once in the other thread of which you are aware of. I feel sorry for nintendo fans who also may express disappointment to get bulldozed over.
soundahfekz
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Should they not be after 7 years?
Actually it is a hardware upgrade over both of them. Rather its miniscule, small, or medium is the only question. When you post hyperbole like this, it makes it hard for people to take you seriously. You understand that right? I don't get why you spend so much time trying to propagate obvious falsehoods in every Wii U thread that pops up. I am sure no one in any of the million goofy Wii U threads thinks Wii U is this miracle leap of technology, but you seem to be trying to completely downplay the system and its capabilities. You need to deal with the fact that it is a step over both those systems, actual developers who make games have said it is countless times, so many times they don't even bother to post about it. So that leaves two options; you are purposely trying to rile up that particular fanbase and derail all conversations, or you simply cannot comprehend wht developers say and so feel they simply lie and thus you ignore what they say since it doesn't fit your narrative. And no I won't validate myself by saying i own all the systems, I don't, I only own a gaming PC and a Wii U at the moment. Both of which keep me very much entertained.
It seems more blind fanboysm to me.