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[meta4]

Uncharted 3 got 9.0.

btw, Liszt is awesome.

Well he is a bit of a hypocrite then though I guess since Uncharted was a series that originated just this gen it still has not had the same effect on him. You will probably start seeing these complaints for UC4 etc on PS4. You are already seeing it with franchises like God of War.

Yeah Liszt is awesome! So surprised that a lot of ppl in GAF recognize and like Liszt. Really cool!

 

[jmls1121]

I feel the Tom MC Shea shit needs to be called out.

There are basically no standards for reviewing video games. You like the game? slap a 9.0 or 9.5 on it and call it a day; you don't like the game? slap 7.5 on it citing some redicilous flaws and then write an article criticizing the whole company about it.

And this is why video game journalism is going extinct.

 

[Somnid]

Aside from NSMB, Nintendo actually shows more restraint with their IPs than most companies. 1 title per generation, they've just been around so long they add up.

NSMB is not an exception.

 

[Mael]

There are great IP's in that list, but stuff like "FlingSmash" should be excluded imo. That's like... a typical "new IP" that is added to the list for the sake of having a longer list.

There's even stuff in there like And-Kensaku that I have never heard of.

"You should remove this, it doesn't count!"
And now TP has a better pacing than SS?
My god at least try to not be ridiculous.

 

[Doctor Decimate]

I feel the Tom MC Shea shit needs to be called out.

There are basically no standards for reviewing video games. You like the game? slap a 9.0 or 9.5 on it and call it a day; you don't like the game? slap 7.5 on it citing some redicilous flaws and then write an article criticizing the whole company about it.

i think the 7.5 is the result of his having issues with the controls over anything else. so it mystifies me how he gave Fable: The Journey a higher score.

 

[Dawg]

Nintendo does't release any game from a established franchise: "We don't want this shiet, where is mah Zeldas?"

Nintendo releases new games from established franchises: "Nintendo is no creative. We want new IPs" (While playing CoD)

Nintendo cannot win confirmed.

Hardly anyone praises COD for its yearly sequels though. The only reason CoD BO II gets some positive praise, is because it actually had a decent SP again and it was one of the better CoD's in recent time. Still, CoD games get A LOT of hate because of the old engine and yearly sequels. Just look at like any gaming forum ever. Sure, metacritic has positive review scores, but that's it.

Zelda on the other hand, Nintendo only has to release one trailer and everyone goes WHOAH ZELDA.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Uncharted 3 got 9.0.

btw, Liszt is awesome.

And we're done here.

 

[Madouu]

Using the age of a franchise rather than the number of entries it has had to argue whether it is being overused or not is probably the most "in bad faith" argument I've seen thrown around here in a while.

If you follow this argument through, franchises like XCOM: Enemy Unknown or Balloon fight are apparently way more representative of the industry's iterative tendency than games like Assassin's Creed III, Call of Duty: Black OPS II or Soul Calibur V. (all of these released last year)

An extremely long debate can be had around the fact that is the lack of original franchises in the industry, and Nintendo is certainly guilty of reusing some of its IPs quite a lot but the fact that people would use a franchise age regardless of how many entries it had released when discussing its overuse is pretty astonishing to me.

 

[udivision]

Aside from NSMB, Nintendo actually shows more restraint with their IPs than most companies. 1 title per generation, they've just been around so long they add up.

I don't think "1 title per console" is a crime either.

 

[Supermanisdead]

What do people want Nintendo to do? Ignore its money-makers? Focus on new things? In an industry driven by sequels. OK!

Nintendo does a lot of innovating, tries a lot of new things (one time they made motion controls the centerpiece of entire console generation but it only sold 96 million) but they tend to view things on a evolutionary scale rather than a disruptive, "revolutionary" one.

I really like Nintendo and their games but I don't expect them or any other company to invest millions chasing the new thing; it's just not the way of the world.

But they already do that? What other company would make one of their biggest, most iconic games completely motion-based? Could you imagine Uncharted 4 or Halo 5 bundled with Move/Kinect and have that as the ONLY control method?

 

[KingFire]

Well he is a bit of a hypocrite then though I guess since Uncharted was a series that originated just this gen it still has not had the same effect on him. You will probably start seeing these complaints for UC4 etc on PS4. You are already seeing it with franchises like God of War.

Yeah Liszt is awesome! So surprised that a lot of ppl in GAF recognize and like Liszt. Really cool!

I am already seeing complaints, but not from this hypocrite. I highly doubt that he is going to complain about it next generation either.

 

[NinjaTehFish]

"I'm Out" really needs to be added to this gif

 

[Jest Chillin]

We've had more Call of Dutys than that.

Call of Duty
United Offensive
CoD2
CoD3
Cod4: MW
WaW
MW2
BO
MW3
BO2
We're on the tenth Call of Duty "main series" game, and that's not even counting the random pre-MW spinoffs like Big Red One.

We're on the fifth Assassin's Creed already, not counting the portable games.

But it's Nintendo that always gets shit for putting out "endless repeats" of their franchises, when they almost always release one entry on the series per platform and that's it.

No, it really isn't. Activision gets constant shit for it's endless shilling of anything vaguely popular it puts out. The Halo series gets it as well, though the fans of that series are just as vocal as Nintendo fans in saying "But the games are still awesome!!" EA gets crap for Madden but it's the only NFL game out so no one can compete. Every company that doesn't innovate and just keeps pumping out sequels gets crap for it. But despite getting crap, people by and large continue to buy the games.

So can you fault Activision, EA, Nintendo, etc.. for continuing to ride the wave of popularity? No. But not being able to blame them from the business side doesn't mean they're above being criticized for it.

 

[RurouniZel]

Hardly anyone praises COD for its yearly sequels though. The only reason CoD BO II gets some positive praise, is because it actually had a decent SP again and it was one of the better CoD's in recent time. Still, CoD games get A LOT of hate because of the old engine and yearly sequels. Just look at like any gaming forum ever. Sure, metacritic has positive review scores, but that's it.

Zelda on the other hand, Nintendo only has to release one trailer and everyone goes WHOAH ZELDA.

We're talking about gaming media outlets, not message boards. I don't see a Gamespot article about why Activision is trapped by Call of Duty's success?

 

[Mael]

Hardly anyone praises COD for its yearly sequels though. The only reason CoD BO II gets some positive praise, is because it actually had a decent SP again and it was one of the better CoD's in recent time. Still, CoD games get A LOT of hate because of the old engine and yearly sequels. Just look at like any gaming forum ever. Sure, metacritic has positive review scores, but that's it.

Zelda on the other hand, Nintendo only has to release one trailer and everyone goes WHOAH ZELDA.

Considering that with a new Zelda you usually get a whole new engine, way to play and gameworld....and there's one every 2 years too (with handhelds that are nothing like 3d zelda btw)...

No, it really isn't. Activision gets constant shit for it's endless shilling of anything vaguely popular it puts out. The Halo series gets it as well, though the fans of that series are just as vocal as Nintendo fans in saying "But the games are still awesome!!" EA gets crap for Madden but it's the only NFL game out so no one can compete. Every company that doesn't innovate and just keeps pumping out sequels gets crap for it. But despite getting crap, people by and large continue to buy the games.

So can you fault Activision, EA, Nintendo, etc.. for continuing to ride the wave of popularity? No. But not being able to blame them from the business side doesn't mean they're above being criticized for it.

Yeah it's true that people really piled it on Gears of War and Uncharted...
And look at how much people complained about Battlefield!

 

[Aquamarine]

And this is why video game journalism is going extinct.

It's all about your agenda.

You could nitpick about minor BS (every game isn't perfect) and give it a negative review (with a 7.5 score), or you could sing its praises (every game has good elements), and give it a perfect score.

For example, Skyward Sword could be a 6 (bad pacing, awkward controls, retread of a familiar formula), or it could be a 10 (epic combat, innovative art design, timeless story, and boundless creativity).

 

[IceDoesntHelp]

There are great IP's in that list, but stuff like "FlingSmash" should be excluded imo. That's like... a typical "new IP" that is added to the list for the sake of having a longer list.

There's even stuff in there like And-Kensaku that I have never heard of.

But those are new IP's. Doesn't matter if you haven't heard of them, its still a new IP.

That's like saying I never heard of Giftpia, so it shouldn't be included on a new IP list.

 

[Oersted]

Uncharted 3 got 9.0.

btw, Liszt is awesome.

"Is it possible to have your expectations raised too high? Uncharted 2: Among Thieves delivered a monumental leap over the first game in the series, and it might be easy to fall into the trap of assuming the same advancements would take place in every subsequent release. If that's your state of mind going into Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception, you might walk away slightly disappointed. But that's not a fair response. Though the third entry in this treasure-hunting franchise offers a similar experience to its revered predecessor, it's no less magical. Just about every element showcases the care and craftsmanship you would expect from the series. "

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[GiantBreadbug]

As long as Nintendo keeps making games that bring a smile to my face, they can be trapped by whatever the fuck the gatekeepers want.

I play games based on whether they're fun. Maybe a little idealistic and naive, but hey.

 

[Lupin the Third]

oh wait. maybe they mean Nintendo executives are trapped under large piles of money?

anyprophet, is that you?

 

[JoeM86]

And this is why video game journalism is going extinct.

Not all of us journalists are like this, don't fret

 

[Aquamarine]

But those are new IP's. Doesn't matter if you haven't heard of them, its still a new IP.

That's like saying I never heard of Giftpia, so it shouldn't be included on a new IP list.

THE VIDEO GAMES I AM NOT INTERESTED IN AREN'T RELEVANT BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE THEM.

 

[jerd]

But they already do that? What other company would make one of their biggest, most iconic games completely motion-based? Could you imagine Uncharted 4 or Halo 5 bundled with Move/Kinect and have that as the ONLY control method?

It is a motion controlled gaming system...

And 1:1 swordfighting was one of the few things gamers were salivating over when Wii was unveiled...

Props to Nintendo for actually trying to innovate.

 

[anotherVegan]

Nintendo does't release any game from a established franchise: "We don't want this shiet, where is mah Zeldas?"

Nintendo releases new games from established franchises: "Nintendo is no creative. We want new IPs" (While playing CoD)

Nintendo cannot win confirmed.

A thousand times this.

 

[Effect]

Just for fun:

Gran Turismo list




I doubt he ever complained about it.

Wow. I thought only Capcom pull that crap when it came to how they handled the Street Fighter franchise.

 

[Michan]

Rumor of Nintendo trying to acquire Banjo Kazooie back.

Source?

 

[udivision]

We're talking about gaming media outlets, not message boards. I don't see a Gamespot article about why Activision is trapped by Call of Duty's success?

Can someone make a "Is Company Trapped by Its Success?" article so whether it's Coca-Cola or Activision putting out the same thing year after year we'll have it all covered?

 

[onilink88]

Though the third entry in this treasure-hunting franchise offers a similar experience to its revered predecessor, it's no less magical. Just about every element showcases the care and craftsmanship you would expect from the series. "

slowclap.gif

Well now, what do we have here? D:

 

[KingFire]

Hardly anyone praises COD for its yearly sequels though. The only reason CoD BO II gets some positive praise, is because it actually had a decent SP again and it was one of the better CoD's in recent time. Still, CoD games get A LOT of hate because of the old engine and yearly sequels. Just look at like any gaming forum ever. Sure, metacritic has positive review scores, but that's it.

Zelda on the other hand, Nintendo only has to release one trailer and everyone goes WHOAH ZELDA.

Sales of the latest CoD game disagrees. Although many GAF members don't care about CoD, the casual gamers and many hardcore player still buy it and enjoy it.

 

[Doc Holliday]

If you remove cutscenes, flatshade all the models, and get rid of all eyecandy which games are more similar to one another:

Halo 1,2,3, 4 vs killzone vs cod/bop vs battlefield sp

Super mario 64 vs Mario galaxy
Oot vs SS

Super metroid vs metroid prime vs other M

 

[MikeE21286]

I´m sure there will be the same complaints when the new Gran Tourismo will be announced...

Hard to iterate that much on a sport. Ask EA

 

[Mael]

Hard to iterate that much on a sport. Ask EA

EA is doing mighty fine with Fifa, they stepped up their game.
Same with a certain branch of PES.
don't assume everyone is playing it safe like Polyphony.

 

[KingFire]

"Is it possible to have your expectations raised too high? Uncharted 2: Among Thieves delivered a monumental leap over the first game in the series, and it might be easy to fall into the trap of assuming the same advancements would take place in every subsequent release. If that's your state of mind going into Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception, you might walk away slightly disappointed. But that's not a fair response. Though the third entry in this treasure-hunting franchise offers a similar experience to its revered predecessor, it's no less magical. Just about every element showcases the care and craftsmanship you would expect from the series. "

slowclap.gif

 

[RurouniZel]

Can someone make a "Is Company Trapped by Its Success?" article so whether it's Coca-Cola or Activision putting out the same thing year after year we'll have it all covered?

We could make a fucking Adlib out of it so that we can fill in the blanks with whatever's the current flavor of the month.

Is Microsoft trapped by Xbox Live's Success?
Is Sony trapped by its history of highly priced tech?
Is Big Bird trapped to roam only on Sesame Street?
etc.

 

[pixlexic]

Same can be said of Mario kart. Mkwii sold what over 25 million?

the line between sensationalist journalism/fanboys and reality is pretty great now days

 

[casablanca]

Seriously N fans should chill out a bit and stop being so defensive !
This complaint is pretty common int he gamer community.

IMO ther is three main reasons for that:
-No third party support , so each anticipated game on nintendo console is a zelda, mario, pikmin.. , making theire anouncements non events since evrybody knows they're working on a new smash bros, zelda, mario kart etc...
-Nintendo going after the cash, anything that sells beneath millions ,they don't care delivring it to the fans anymore.
-The WII : Nintendo focused on catching that non gammer audience.


Solutions now :
-Works with other devs to have refreshing franchise.
-Give that miyamoto full power/time to make new ips
-Take risk with established franchises.
-Use those franchise that dont get millions of sales and try to change them and make them big hits.

My 2 cents.

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

I haven't read that before. What he said is exactly what I was arguing against McShea in my original post.

That's from Nintendo's 2nd Quarter Financial results back on October 2012, so this relatively their last financial result.

 

[onilink88]

Seriously N fans should chill out a bit and stop being so defensive !

Refuting idiocy should not be conflated for defensiveness.

 

[Dawg]

But those are new IP's. Doesn't matter if you haven't heard of them, its still a new IP.

That's like saying I never heard of Giftpia, so it shouldn't be included on a new IP list.

That's kinda stupid though.

What if people said the PS3 HAS NO gaemz and I get a list with Uncharted, Killzone and like 99 niche unheard of PSN/PS MOVE games and most of them have mediocre review scores, thus besting the competition's lists of IP's. Would you say "Sony DOES have many new IP's!" ?

I think the main problem with the people who whine about "NINTY REHASHES" is the fact that Nintendo doesn't have new IP's as big as Pokémon, Zelda, Mario, Metroid etc to be honest. Like, if all you see is Mario, Zelda and Pokémon... of course people are going to whine it's always the same.

 

[qizah]

That's from Nintendo's 2nd Quarter Financial results back on October 2012, so this relatively their last financial result.

It's a pretty good way of Iwata conveying their philosophy with game design. It's been obvious that they have new IPs within their download service over the years. I think that's definitely a great avenue for them, but I'm also pretty confident they'll have at least one or two big budget retail new franchises. Miyamoto is also making a new character, so that's something to look forward to.

 

[KingFire]

That's kinda stupid though.

What if people said the PS3 HAS NO gaemz and I get a list with Uncharted, Killzone and like 99 niche unheard of PSN/PS MOVE games and most of them have mediocre review scores, thus besting the competition's lists of IP's. Would you say "Sony DOES have many new IP's! ?

I think the main problem with the people who whine about "NINTY REHASHES" is the fact that Nintendo doesn't have new IP's as big as Pokémon, Zelda, Mario, Metroid etc to be honest

Nobody has.

 

[lamaroo]

Look at the number of posts in The Wonderful 101 thread compared to the "sequels" Nintendo announced at the direct. Barely anyone actually want new IPs, unless it's an FPS I bet.

 

[big youth]

But they already do that? What other company would make one of their biggest, most iconic games completely motion-based? Could you imagine Uncharted 4 or Halo 5 bundled with Move/Kinect and have that as the ONLY control method?

It wouldn't totally surprise me...because Nintendo laid the foundation for them.

the people arguing that Zelda is too samey is mind numbing to me. i'm curious what type of changes (more drastic than those already implemented) they are looking for that still fit the franchise.

 

[Zaventem]

If you remove cutscenes, flatshade all the models, and get rid of all eyecandy which games are more similar to one another:

Halo 1,2,3, 4 vs killzone vs cod/bop vs battlefield sp

Super mario 64 vs Mario galaxy
Oot vs SS

Super metroid vs metroid prime vs other M

That's very smart leaving out the other 2d metroid games on your list to make a point.A point i agree( with the other game series you listed.) but one you choose to be on sided on.

 

[Effect]

Then people should make it clear what they're complaining about. It's either no new IPs as they always claim or no new super successful IPs. Trying to say niche, moderatly successful or unknown IPs don't count after a list has been provided is goal post moving.

 

[jerd]

If only Zack and Wiki had been a smash hit...

 

[JoeM86]

That's kinda stupid though.

What if people said the PS3 HAS NO gaemz and I get a list with Uncharted, Killzone and like 99 niche unheard of PSN/PS MOVE games and most of them have mediocre review scores, thus besting the competition's lists of IP's. Would you say "Sony DOES have many new IP's!" ?

I think the main problem with the people who whine about "NINTY REHASHES" is the fact that Nintendo doesn't have new IP's as big as Pokémon, Zelda, Mario, Metroid etc to be honest. Like, if all you see is Mario, Zelda and Pokémon... of course people are going to whine it's always the same.

As already shown though, Nintendo has released a plethora of new IPs in recent years, and they just haven't really taken off

 

[eznark]

Tom McShea has been at GameSpot for what, a decade? And gamespot keeps trotting him out to write these articles? I think it's time GameSpot got some fresh blood. His articles just aren't exciting anymore.

 

[Oersted]

-Nintendo going after the cash, anything that sells beneath millions ,they don't care delivring it to the fans anymore.

Do you even know how many IPs Sony abandoned because they didn´t sell enough? Or every other company?

 

[onilink88]

It wouldn't totally surprise me...because Nintendo laid the foundation for them.

the people arguing that Zelda is too samey is mind numbing to me. i'm curious what type of changes (more drastic than those already implemented) they are looking for that still fit the franchise.

From what I've gathered from the decade (more?) or so of criticisms citing that Zelda is too "same-y" is that TLoZ, essentially, has to stop being TLoZ.