Heavy's Sandvich
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Western gaming media outlets questioning far eastern developers? Colour me surprised.
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Dave Meltzer
Banned
People bringing up current gen sequels miss the point. People aren't tired of Assassins Creed because its still relatively new. Zelda is 30 years old. It's not about the number of sequels, its about prolonged familiarity with a franchise.
CecilRousso
Member
The list indicates that they have done us favors with new IP's when they have acted as publisher, but the situation is still that most, if not all, of their own major IP's are very dated or built on characters from other dated IP's. We should expect more from them.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
I mentioned this article briefly in the Polygon Kickstarter thread. It seems a lot of gaming sites are feeling threatened by the way Nintendo's Directs bypass them.
What's strange about this article is that it completely ignores the new IP Nintendo did feature - Wonderful 101, then moans about the lack of third party despite the fact Iwata clearly stated that another direct featuring the Third Party games will come soon.
What's strange about this article is that it completely ignores the new IP Nintendo did feature - Wonderful 101, then moans about the lack of third party despite the fact Iwata clearly stated that another direct featuring the Third Party games will come soon.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Nintendo's "legacy" IP's are to their benefit and detriment. It's part of the reason I've grown tired by their efforts on console the last 3 generations.
X looks like a game I will want to play though but that's it. Maybe the Wind Waker remake. 2 games is not something I would get excited for on a platform though. I would like to see more and I haven't seen anything else yet.
The good news is that both those games will come out within 2-3 years so hopefully that means price drop by that time.
X looks like a game I will want to play though but that's it. Maybe the Wind Waker remake. 2 games is not something I would get excited for on a platform though. I would like to see more and I haven't seen anything else yet.
The good news is that both those games will come out within 2-3 years so hopefully that means price drop by that time.
Have you not seen X from Nintendo/Monolith Soft?
The fact I already see people trying to bring CoD into this is embarrassing for the posters concerned.
To answer the question posed. Of course they are. Their legacy is their blessing and their curse.
Another Mario Game, another Mario Kart, another Zelda. Yes they'll sell but as gamers die off and the upcoming younger consumers don't have those memories of growing up with Zelda and Mario games what then? You'll just be selling to a very small niche audience.
Say what you wanted about some of the Wii series games they at least showed an attempt to branch out even slighty.
To answer the question posed. Of course they are. Their legacy is their blessing and their curse.
Another Mario Game, another Mario Kart, another Zelda. Yes they'll sell but as gamers die off and the upcoming younger consumers don't have those memories of growing up with Zelda and Mario games what then? You'll just be selling to a very small niche audience.
Say what you wanted about some of the Wii series games they at least showed an attempt to branch out even slighty.
This is a valid question. Nintendo obviously does rely on its legacy IPs quite a bit.
But in the wake of a Nintendo Direct that featured a new trailer for The Wonderful 101, a development video of Bayonetta 2, a sequel to a game that wasn't even on Nintendo platforms, the announcement of X, one of the most promising looking JRPGs in a while, and the announcement of a crossover between Fire Emblem and Shin Megami Tensei, it seems like very strange timing to ask if they're too conservative and lean only on their old IPs to get them through.
But in the wake of a Nintendo Direct that featured a new trailer for The Wonderful 101, a development video of Bayonetta 2, a sequel to a game that wasn't even on Nintendo platforms, the announcement of X, one of the most promising looking JRPGs in a while, and the announcement of a crossover between Fire Emblem and Shin Megami Tensei, it seems like very strange timing to ask if they're too conservative and lean only on their old IPs to get them through.
SolidSnakex
Member
He's probably best known around here for questioning Medal of Honor's take on war.
There are a lot of things like more modes offline and online, new mechanics, etc.
Xenoblade, the best new IP of last gen?
Duane Cunningham
Member
Man, trapped?? Sony and Microsoft would love to be trapped by a ton IPs with such unbelievable marketability.
And as a customer, I hope when I'm 80 years old there's still a new Zelda every five years and one Mario Kart per system.
And as a customer, I hope when I'm 80 years old there's still a new Zelda every five years and one Mario Kart per system.
airmangataosenai
Member
Hush you, the hive must be protected!
In all seriousness though I do agree that this sort of criticism is a bit overblown. They release these games because they're proven sellers. Whenever the other two have proven multi-plat games they never retire those either. I do agree that out of all though that they are definitely the least willing to experiment with all-new IPs though, and that is a problem.
*Cue some idiot with Monoliftsoft.gif*
so true. to all those people who are agreeing with the article, what can you say about these games?
Dave Meltzer
Banned
They are all B-tier games at best though. Nintendo's money titles remain the obvious 4 or 5.
That's not really a Nintendo-created IP though. Neither are the Op Rainfall games. The article is I guess talking about Miyamoto/EAD making a big new IP with mass appeal, like the ones the company created seemingly at will back in the day.
Majukun
Member
why they shouldn't use their enormous portfolio of franchises?
plus ,they made new Ip,and they sold like shit.
and again,nowadays we have the annual assassin's creed,the annual COD etc...are we really going to blame nintendo because they develop a main zelda every gen?
Portugeezer
Member
It's worse.
At least the next Zelda games have time to feel fresh, AC games felt the same since AC2 and with much less time in between.
Yeah I think that was it.
Deactivision
Member
And the Nintendo negativity keeps on coming. They remain, in my estimation, the finest video game production company that has ever existed. I turned on Mario Galaxy last night to remind my son what a 3D Mario game looks like and the smile it put on our faces instantly wiped out any thoughts that Mario is overexposed and tired. Sure he has been with us forever but Nintendo has never really failed to come up with new ways to make him fun, and I have zero doubt they will continue to do it. Nintendo's legacy franchises are often used as vehicles to explore new forms of gameplay and surprising variations on gaming traditions, and the familiarity allows those twists to be the focus. Meanwhile the people complaining about that familiarity spend another hundred hours online in the new iteration of their favourite first person shooter. It's puzzling.
I think a lot of gamers who grew up with Nintendo are bitter that Nintendo didn't "grow up" with them. But they are taking measures even to appease those people, via partnerships with Platinum Games, Monolith Soft, etc, and still it's somehow not good enough for many. I say let the haters hate, and let the rest of us have fun.
I think a lot of gamers who grew up with Nintendo are bitter that Nintendo didn't "grow up" with them. But they are taking measures even to appease those people, via partnerships with Platinum Games, Monolith Soft, etc, and still it's somehow not good enough for many. I say let the haters hate, and let the rest of us have fun.
Interfectum
Gold Member
The gif isn't even that impressive. Set the bar low guys.
CecilRousso
Member
No one is saying that they should stop doing Mario and Zelda games, we just want something else also. Sure, they have a lot of new series as a publisher, but how many of them have grown to be very important of them. How many of them are people asking about for Wii U?
That if Gears of War 25 is being developed in 15 years, people will not be that excited about that series that they are now.
InsaneZero
Member
How would somebody objectively qualify B-tier and A-tier?
Yeah no. I think though they should maybe mix it up though, they have enough IPS to not release the same game twice. And let's be honest, any company would KILL for a mascot as powerful as Mario. Sega had one in Sonic, Sony had one in Crash and Spyro (not sure who there mascot is now) and Microsoft has one in the Chief. The point is all good gaming companies NEED one great mascot/identifiable game that fans know they can depend on and I see nothing wrong with that.
And Nintendo only releases generally one, maybe two games per franchise per GENERATION as well.
And Nintendo only releases generally one, maybe two games per franchise per GENERATION as well.
This is probably a better subject.
It's not surprising though as the usual gaming media really misreported their message anyway, that's why they made Iwata asks btw so that they didn't have to deal with the usual media.
It's actually better that way, the old gaming media can't die soon enough.
Did you miss the Wii by any chance?
smh. i really hope you're not serious about not being tired by Assassins Creed by now.
It's also going to be really funny when it's eventually revealed to be Xenoblade 2.
gamergirly
Member
I guess they think everyone likes dudebro games and COD. Nah. I'm fine with them rethinking Zelda and showing future games for the system
FlashbladeGAF
Member
I'm out
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"I'm Out" really needs to be added to this gif
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Yes because when you keep using the same franchise every gen eventually it because fatigued. It's been 30 years of Zelda. It doesn't matter if there's been 7 CODs in 7 years because people have been playing them for 7 years. People have played Zelda games all their lifetimes. That's the difference.
Zelda doesn't need to die, but it can't be the only big, triple A Nintendo game in terms of production values. It is not wrong to expect something new from them that is on the level of their traditionally "big" franchises. As it is, any new IPs they launch are B-tier games with B-tier aspirations.
The Horror the horror
Banned
More Nintendo witch-hunting by pop gaming journalists.
Have they ever considered the possibility that the so-called IP-fatigue that is more prevalent with Nintendo than other publishers could be the result of Nintendo's more protracted seniority in the industry in relation to their current competitors? Mario and Zelda have been around for about 30 years, so yeah -- call me when Halo, CoD, and God of War are around for that long and can maintain any semblance of novelty. They'd all be equally as crucified.
Have they ever considered the possibility that the so-called IP-fatigue that is more prevalent with Nintendo than other publishers could be the result of Nintendo's more protracted seniority in the industry in relation to their current competitors? Mario and Zelda have been around for about 30 years, so yeah -- call me when Halo, CoD, and God of War are around for that long and can maintain any semblance of novelty. They'd all be equally as crucified.
I kinda agree that I miss Nintendo releasing hardcore titles which are both cutting edge and have mass appeal. Games like Starfox 64, Goldeneye, Metroid Prime and Ocarina of Time were complete powerhouses.
I'd take one, different Zelda, every five years, over the same Zelda released five times across five years.
I mean, look at Majora's Mask vs Wind Waker, you'd NEVER get such a radical change in one year.
I'd take one, different Zelda, every five years, over the same Zelda released five times across five years.
I mean, look at Majora's Mask vs Wind Waker, you'd NEVER get such a radical change in one year.
It won't be, monolith soft uses that X for lots of games they make
Xenoblade is made by Monolith soft who are as much a part of Nintendo as Retro Studios or EAD.
If anything Fire Emblem is closer to 3rd party than X.
It's been so long since WiiFit, Brain Training and co?
Aquamarine
Member
In contrast, I started gaming in 2002 as an adult. Nintendo's characters and games are some of my absolute favorite in the industry.
Anecdotal experiences don't prove anything.
CecilRousso
Member
For everyone asking what the problem is - this.
One does not simply (walk into Mordor) hire 1000 developers overnight, but there's that new building that they're working on in Tokyo.
Thats the point being made. If the main Nintendo studios and developers werent always working on the next Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Pokemon then heads would roll with fans. This leaves them in a loop thats hard to get out of. I think they have been tryin lately by buying developers like Monolithsoft.
I'm going to let you guys in on a secret. Nintendo is a gameplay first company. They make new consoles to explore new gameplay. They make new controllers to explore new gameplay. And they make new games to make new gameplay! They're aren't trapped by any IP, its just not a major concern for them. IP beggers are just a slightly different breed of graphic whores. Sure they may not care about fidelity as much but they still whine and complain for what essentially are different kinds of graphics to be put up on the screen.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
I hate Assassins Creed. But when people have been playing it for a single console generation there's less fatigue than when it shows up every generation.
Cerebral Assassin
Member
Nintendo are one of the few companies that will allow a fairly successful IP to "rest" for years(Metroid being the prime example), perhaps all the people complaining that there is a new MK game coming out could tell me a publisher that wouldn't make a sequel to a game that sold 20mil+ copies?
You honestly think 5 games in 5 years is less fatiguing than 7 over 25 years?
You honestly think 5 games in 5 years is less fatiguing than 7 over 25 years?
It's the other way around. New younger generation are growing up with a new Mario game, another Mario Kart, and another Zelda. Just like you grew up with SMB 1, you brother with Mario kart, an entire generation just grew up with NSMB and Mario Kart 7.
I know, right? He could of at least made it longer!