WWE Royal Rumble 2013 |OT| On the road to Twice In A Lifetime™

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CrunchinJelly

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I do think crowds are more passive these days, but there are a few other factors as well. Events are held in larger arenas, and while that means more people, it also means better acoustics so the crowd isn't nearly as loud. Not to mention everyone looks spaced out. Also, flash photography isn't as prominent due to advances in technology. Now when someone does a big move, instead of a myriad of flashes lighting up the arena, people pull out their iPhones.

I do feel like people have no idea what to do when they go to a wrestling show. You aren't supposed to passively watch the show, you are PART of it. Cheer the good guys, boo the bad guys, chant things. Maybe people are just too embarassed to do it or whatever, but its what a wrestling audience needs to be.

Over-exposure to the product is a big part of it. When you see the same shit two or more times a week it becomes less special and less of a moment.

For the older crowd, the Attitude era and Monday Night Wars kind of desensitised people to wrestling. Once you've seen it all what is there to get excited about?
 

strobogo

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I don't remember any of the Japan shows looking like that. The only ones I remember are the ones with JBL fighting Godzilla and Tajiri vs HHH.
 

Azuran

Banned
Probably discussed in the thread, but what's the metric for winning the Rumble, but not winning the title at Mania?

A lot more than 2 people have done it.
Cena in 08
Orton in 09
Edge in 10
Del Rio in 11

Lex Luger in 94
Rock in 2000

You can also count Austin in 97 and McMahon in 99 even thought they didn't have title matches at Mania.
 

UberTag

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Why don't they have a Raw in Japan nowadays?
The same reason they don't have a RAW in Toronto nowadays.

Incidentally, I think the only way to derail Cena at this point is to run an angle where Darren Young becomes a full-fledged Cena impersonator (complete with entrance music, haircut, merchandise shilling, no-selling, Cena 5MOD moveset, legally changing his name to John Felix Anthony Cena, Make-a-Wish foundation wish fulfillment, etc.) and making the argument that "John Cena the Brand" is what the WWE Universe wants and that the original Cena has no semblance of humanity left in him. That ANYONE can be John Cena the ringmaster/clown/no-selling/shill. That Cena Original is expendable. Even make the case that the locker room will like him more because the new Cena will put his neck on the line to save the faces in peril. And that he can sell their offense better. And will actually lose matches and not sabotage their gimmicks.

After a handful of weeks of duelling five-knuckle shuffles, attitude adjustments, STFs, book a Cena vs. Cena lumberjack match where the winner gets sole ownership of the Cena gimmick, entrance theme, merchandise revenue, etc. Have Cena Original lose after the faces let him get pummeled by the heels without lifting a finger.

He then actually leaves TV for a number of weeks. Wouldn't that be refreshing?

Incidentally, this would also free up Titus O'Neil to either be a bad ass singles heel or to be one amazing color commentator.
 
Why don't they have a Raw in Japan nowadays?

Fuck hot crowds like Japan, Canada and Madison Square Gardens. WE MUST DO MORE HALF EMPTY SHOWS IN RANDOM HICK TOWN USA!

/vince.



But honestly I dont know. Maybe its a money thing. A few years ago they did try some TV tapings in Italy and japan.

They did do TV from mexico last year so thats almost something.
 

jmdajr

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Are live crowds really supposed to boo the bad guys and cheer for the good guys no matter what these days?

Serious question.

It was pretty cool back in the day Bret was a face in Canada and heel in the U.S.
Vince plays it too safe these days. Well, has for awhile.
Thanks a lot Noob Saibot.
 

Kaladin

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This is something I just discovered. If you order the PPV digitally from wwe.com the $44.95 price includes the archive of the event and the archives apparently do not expire. I had events on my account from 2011. The stream quality is really just like television.
 
Are live crowds really supposed to boo the bad guys and cheer for the good guys no matter what these days?

Serious question.

Apparently so, and if they don't, it's THEIR fault, not the fault of the half-assed writing that led to a face being booed, or a heel being cheered. And, hell, when they don't cheer the way Vince wants them to on Smackdown, WWE just pipe in the appropriate crowd reactions over the top when the show is broadcast, which goes some way to explain the reluctance to hold live broadcasts shows in 'smark' towns.
 
Are live crowds really supposed to boo the bad guys and cheer for the good guys no matter what these days?

Serious question.

I dunno, there's not a right answer to that. Theoretically crowds should always boo the bad guys and cheer the good guys. The problem is that the best bad guys usually operate in a moral grey area or are just plain likable despite being evil and most good guys act like deplorable people or leave a bad taste in people's mouths.

I think the idea that any fans are cheering/booing for the wrong side to be funny or get themselves over is a bit of a myth, and that people are just smart enough to come to different conclusions when watching the product than perhaps the creative team intended.
 

jmdajr

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This is something I just discovered. If you order the PPV digitally from wwe.com the $44.95 price includes the archive of the event and the archives apparently do not expire. I had events on my account from 2011. The stream quality is really just like television.

Really? Hmmm. I wonder if I have some of the older Wrestlemanias from the early 2000s.
 
doesnt help that wwe Faces act live year olds and are the most unlikable people on the roster while the heels play their characters well.

Ceasro burining ric falir was amazing
 
The problem is that the best bad guys usually operate in a moral grey area or are just plain likable despite being evil

The best heels make you want to join in and boo them, even if you love their wrestling, love their promos, their character, etc. Like Punk turning on ROH - the crowd were fucking LOVING that promo, but they stilled booed when appropriate because the angle wasn't insulting their intelligence and the performers deserved their respect. That's what WWE fails to understand in a lot of these situations, imo. People will boo a heel they love if you give them a good enough reason to. Trouble is, in a lot of these situations I find myself agreeing with the heels (i.e, every promo Punk cut on Cena these past few weeks).
 

UberTag

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Apparently so, and if they don't, it's THEIR fault, not the fault of the half-assed writing that led to a face being booed, or a heel being cheered. And, hell, when they don't cheer the way Vince wants them to on Smackdown, WWE just pipe in the appropriate crowd reactions over the top when the show is broadcast, which goes some way to explain the reluctance to hold live broadcasts shows in 'smark' towns.
Don't forget Vince blaring in Jerry's headset, "They're cheering for Ziggler, damn it. Lie and say those are Sheamus chants!"

JR calling the Rumble match? slightconfuse is a funny guy. He should be grateful Vince hands him NXT scraps.

doesnt help that wwe Faces act live year olds and are the most unlikable people on the roster while the heels play their characters well.

Cesaro burning ric flair was amazing
Pretty much this. 2010s WWE faces all behave like jerks. Or they're bland like Kofi. Or comedy fodder like Santino and Ryder. Who would want to cheer for those losers?

Why is face Del Rio so refreshing? Because he's a champ/winner that isn't behaving like a jerk and he's neither bland nor a comedy act. And he has charisma. And he's legitimately a nice guy which helps him come across as genuine on TV.
 

Anth0ny

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Raw after Mania. The Yes chants were deafening in that building.

yeah that was one of the best crowds ever for an entire show. they were hot the entire 2 hours. crazy bastards didn't even let sheamus talk after that travesty at mania lol

then when lesnar came out... jesus
 
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Deleted member 47027

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yeah that was one of the best crowds ever for an entire show. they were hot the entire 2 hours. crazy bastards didn't even let sheamus talk after that travesty at mania lol

then when lesnar came out... jesus

Hype was throooouuuuuugh the roof. That one F5 and hat-kick did what people struggle for a year to accomplish.
 

Caspel

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I sincerely wish any of the following wrestlers (if i had my way, all of them) were still alive to help with the wrestling business in any shape or form: British Bulldog, Pillman, Perfect, Benoit, Guerrero, Rude, Owen Hart, Savage, Kanyon, Bam Bam, and even Umaga and Test.
 
I liked the 94 Rumble when Brett and Lugar both won at the same time. It made for a very interesting Wrestlemania scenario. I am actually VERY VERY surprised that WWE never played this outcome almost 20 years later.
 

Pavaloo

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Do you think I can tweet at triple h and get him to bring wwe to west canada sometime? or is he not a tweetin' kinda guy
 

abundant

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I liked the 94 Rumble when Brett and Lugar both won at the same time. It made for a very interesting Wrestlemania scenario. I am actually VERY VERY surprised that WWE never played this outcome almost 20 years later.

They kind of did at the 2000 RR with the Rock and Big Show.
 

BFIB

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Vince made a legend at WrestleMania 28. Just wasn't the one he intended. Heh.

Its almost as if the crowd purposely said "Fuck You" to Vince and the genius writing staff after the bullshit title match at WrestleMania.
 

Bowser

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I'm calling it now:

Punk retains
Bork Laser wins the Rumble

Heyman Guy vs. Heyman Guy at Wrestlemania

I'm+ok+with+this.jpg
 

BFIB

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Anything is better than last years here in St. Louis.

Fucking horrible PPV. By far the worst live event I've ever attended.
 

somedevil

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That Raw crowd was essentially the largest indie wrestling crowd you will ever see.

Well thanks to them they basically strapped a rocket to his back and made him extremely over.

Also, thy forced WWE to change to the title match at extreme rules where it was supposed to be Del Rio but they changed to Bryan.
 
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