VGleaks: Orbis Unveiled! [Updated]
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That's because there isn't any difference. If you can run PS3 digital content you can run the physical content as well so long as you have a blu ray drive. They're both coded to run on the same hardware.
Probably some of the PC crowd who forget that they have to run an OS in the background eating GBs of RAM, and poorly optimized games.
AltogetherAndrews
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Oh no lulz
In all fairness the other guy has been throwing around those same two words.
phosphor112
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People don't realize this enough. You actually need a Bluray drive to play PSN games... Yes, digital download games and you need the bluray drive, because it uses it for authentication or something like that.
They better. Vita needs all the help it can get.
There is no "fairness" Either you fallow Gaf eula or not. I saw people banned for a lot lesser things. Personal calling each other is straight way for ban.
Just a tip from long gaf lurker and user from a year or two.
Attractiveness doesn't mean it has to outperform all these other $599 devices - just that it does something very valuable that these others do not. And preferably it would do this first, thus acting as the innovator rather than the follower (which Sony has been doing a lot of lately).
Raven77
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Byakuya769
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Getting nasty in here. Do I need to bring back my faux party chat argument?
oversitting
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This is what Im thinking. 2 kabini dies taped together + extra GCN graphics segment.
It means the 4 CUs aren't going to be useful for graphics unless you want to jump through a lot of hoops. It would also be perfect for compute operations. Also makes a lot of sense considering Kabini is 4 jaguar cores + 2 GCN CUs.
This is what Im thinking. 2 kabini dies taped together + extra GCN graphics segment.
It means the 4 CUs aren't going to be useful for graphics unless you want to jump through a lot of hoops. It would also be perfect for compute operations. Also makes a lot of sense considering Kabini is 4 jaguar cores + 2 GCN CUs.
so how do you get 32 rops from that?
Please do or link me your post so I can create ways to knock it down all the while taking personal jabs at you since that's what the cool kids do here.
oversitting
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32 rops inside the gpu segment is possible.
Byakuya769
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Haha, that's actually what happened! Serious business in here.
AMD splits their architecture per CU. I'm not seeing how you include parts of the CU in one side and then partition off other parts of the same CU to another side. The floor plan is totally off. Could you explain where I'm going wrong please?
oversitting
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part of the CU is the APU segment. and the part outside the dedicated GPU segment. AMD can put 32ROPs on 14CU if they want. Its just speculation but it makes sense to me.
Also the floor plan isn't supposed to be accurate. Its just a rough sketch.
LMAO!
The amount of arch difference between GCN and GCN2 is minimal.
But the Sauce!
Can Crusher
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I didn't say otherwise. I also won't pretend to know how this will affect performance, nor will I pretend to know how meaningful the architectural differences may be in a closed box.
I'll leave that for the knows it all of the world.
Was this a jab at what I said?
Ugh, Sony gaf really is unbearable. Jesus Christ.
From the looks of it, the sauce seems to be in Orbis' GPU only at the moment. It sounds a more customized part wrt the 14+4 split.
Fair enough.
How did you get Sony bias out of that post?
This is what Im thinking. 2 kabini dies taped together + extra GCN graphics segment.
It means the 4 CUs aren't going to be useful for graphics unless you want to jump through a lot of hoops. It would also be perfect for compute operations. Also makes a lot of sense considering Kabini is 4 jaguar cores + 2 GCN CUs.
That's the deal with them. They can be used for GPU purposes but it will be costly and not easy. So developers should focus on what you can do with them outside of rendering. Physic, animations etc. That is why i find it good solution. Essentialy those are like ageia hardware only purpose is to help offload GPU from stuff like physic and focus full power of GPU on bells and whistles. They also added DSP hardware to offload CPU from audio.
Also as Shifty Gazer from B3D said that it is really unusual and this may have much bigger implications than just physic calculations.
Anybody who brings up GCN 2 or 2.0 is only highlighting their ignorance since i'm pretty sure nobody actually knows the details of the architecture besides AMD - if there are any hardware changes at all that is
It isn't? That's new to me. Might be my mistaken memory. I thought each cluster was a graphic core next. CU or Compute unit for short. But time to dive into that again me thinks.
Yes. This makes more sense to me.
Probably due to his own bias.
gaming_noob
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So by now is it 100% sure Orbis will more powerful than Durango?
Well it's Xbox 360.5. No sauce could save it.
Without looking at full specs for either console... 100% sure.
Can Crusher
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Well because I tell someone who expected to see GCN2 in next gen consoles that Durango might have a GCN2 gpu according to rumors, somebody else seems to become bothered by this rumor, you tell me that GCN2 won't bring anything but a minimal difference and then somebody else comes in to throw a "but the sauce" joke, trying to imply that in the course of this discussion somebody tried to bring out the "durango has secret sauce" card.
Really, it stinks of insecurity. I was just talking about a rumor.
Of course, I'm an xbot. What other reason could it be?!
Here's a diagram:
The render backends are the things on the sides of the block of CUs.
After reading gofreak's post,it suddenly strikes me that all the gpus have 32 rops, no? so number of compute units make no difference to that. Texture units do scale up, though, right?
brb. going to check...
edit: @above.. oh interesting..
Its all just speculation on what is supposedly the set CPU/GPU combo. We won't know until each system is formerly announced with specs and custom parts detailed. I think they'll be fairly close each having a slight advantage in a certain area kind of like the current gen.
Insane Metal
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Comment at the VGLeaks article:
New? Posted?
New? Posted?
pharmboy044
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We still don't know very much regarding Durango and those data move engines.
oversitting
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Texture units are part of the CU so there would be only 56 of them if 4 CUs are reserved for compute.
Generational differences when clock is the same. Note GCN was a major shift, the likes of which we are unlikely to see from GCN to GCN2. Who knows though... Anyways..
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/36269-amd-radeon-hd-7850-vs-6850-vs-5850-clocks/
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/36269-amd-radeon-hd-7850-vs-6850-vs-5850-clocks/
Think that's the standard GCN CU layout...
iamshadowlark
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From what I can see of GCN2, it doesn't seem to be that much of an upgrade. And as I pointed out last page, VGleaks Durango spec sheets point to GCN cores, unless of course it's as you say an there are minimal hardware changes.
gaming_noob
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Alright that's true..we're fighting over speculation here. I wish Iherre/Arne/Stinkles could chime in a bit.
Yes. *nods in agreement*.
All the CUs have the same texture sampling hardware. If a CU didn't have texture units it wouldn't be able to read data D: (I think!) And the CUs aren't prescribed/reserved for any one particular task even if they are tweaked or arranged optimally for that task...
The leaked info is pretty clear that all 18 CUs have texturing hardware anyway.
AwayFromInfinityx
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After reading the OP...
HC24. Where Jaguar apu, plus steamroller, plus socs etc was discussed. Videos, docs, pdfs, etc.. Hot chip conference the autumn that just went by:
http://www.hotchips.org/archives/hc24
edit: plus 2.5d stacking, tsv etc...
edit: Plus roadmaps for surround computing... plus floorplans for trinity... lots and lots of stuff.
http://www.hotchips.org/archives/hc24
edit: plus 2.5d stacking, tsv etc...
edit: Plus roadmaps for surround computing... plus floorplans for trinity... lots and lots of stuff.
llherre already said both consoles will be a wash in power.
You won't hear anything from Arne and Stinkles unless you want to see them executed by their employers.
Can Crusher
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Ilherre already chimed in before. The latest spec information doesn't change anything, as his comments were made already knowing the "latest" info.
Expect a Ps3 - 360 difference(Ilherre). IMO that's a significant difference for someone like me, specially when these consoles are launching at the same time. But from the looks of it, MS is clearly not aiming at people like me.
This next generation transition is different from any other past generation transition. Users built huge digital libraries through the PS3 life cycle. Those PSN digital games are not resalable and if they are only playable on PS3 then they are doomed to almost immediate obsolescence as soon as the user buys a PS4. And Sony if choses not to include BC to those titles it ignores the advantage of having an instantaneous library, at no extra cost to the user or Sony (barring bandwidth/servers costs) available in the start of a hardware generation that can prove very challenging in terms of software offerings.
Anyway, I think it's kind of funny that we actually in some senses know slightly less about Orbis's setup now than we did before this latest vgleaks.
The question over the '14+4' and whether that simply means 4 are tweaked in a different way, or 4 live in a distinct world away from the other 14...has some non-negligible repercussions in terms of different tradeoffs and design goals. And we don't have a solid answer yet.
The question over the '14+4' and whether that simply means 4 are tweaked in a different way, or 4 live in a distinct world away from the other 14...has some non-negligible repercussions in terms of different tradeoffs and design goals. And we don't have a solid answer yet.