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How do Sony and MS have to mess up with Orbis/Durango to swing momentum to Nintendo

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MikeE21286

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Response to this thread talking about what Nintendo has to do to combat Orbis/Durango.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510653

Given whats been rumored about both from a hardware and software perspective, How can Sony and MS screw up Orbis /Durango to swing the momentum back to Nintendo?


Personally I think they'd have to price their systems above $449 to have stepped over the line. That could potentially lead to a $150 gap. That would help Nintendo quite a bit.
 
They would also need to launch with no games.

It's not enough to have the "best" version of CoD.
They need games you can't play anywhere else.
 
They basically can't in terms of early adopters. Even if MS went fully Kinect heavy, the third party stuff alone would be enough.
 
Durango already sounds a bit 'meh' and am not buying the argument that parity is going to last. In the end theres too much to gain by saying you have the best game on that platform and it'll be far easier to take advantage of the Orbis power; it'll just be too attractive not to utilise.

But Orbis sounds fine. Don't see Sony doing anything hugely wrong.
Up to Nintendo to gain momentum with games.
 
Price.

This year's thunder is pretty much guaranteed for both of them if they don't fuck with PRICE.

oh and show some uber tech demo shit to blow people away.
 
Half the components fall out of the machines before they ship?
 
there are many ways to mess up a launch, with price being the most obvious factor. obviously Sony and Microsoft are more worried about each other than they are Nintendo, so their strategies will be less based on Wii U and more on each other. I don't think games will be the downfall of either launch though, they will both have a few that are huge graphical showcases.
 
swing momentum to Nintendo?


Why would PS3 and 360 owners buy a Wii U over a 720 or PS4?

It will have minimal third party support, and it is more a move sideways rather than upward.


Wii U is not that much more powerful than 360 or PS3 to be considered a meaningful upgrade for most owners of those machines.


I would not consider Wii U an upgrade over the PS3 or 360, hence I have no interest in buying one.
 
One or more of the following:

1. No used games on the consoles

2. No disks (download / cloud only)

3. A complete mobile / casual focus with their games and ZERO pandering to their fans.

4. Extremely weak consoles.
 
Pricing is the biggie. I'd like to say not showing real games, but given how much people flipped over the CGI "target renders" for the 360/PS3, I doubt that'll matter.

For me, right now, I have almost zero hype for the next gen machines. If launch is Madden, FIFA, Call of Duty, a bunch of up-ports, and maybe one interesting title from each first party that's pretty much fulfilling my pessimistic expectation. I'm interested in seeing what they can do, but as of right now I'm not expecting much that I find interesting.

Jburton said:
Why would PS3 and 360 owners buy a Wii U over a 720 or PS4?

It will have minimal third party support, and it is more a move sideways rather than upward.
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Because games are why I buy a console. Not specs.
 
They might not have to do anything to join Nintendo in the pit. They could create great systems, with good launch line-ups, and both may just falter at launch due to lack of interest in nextgen and the economy..

Who knows really. If another amazing must have tech product is announced for this fall it could possibly take the thunder away too. And of course the usual suspects like pricing, limited availability and poor lineup as posted above.
 
In reality, I don't think there's anything that swings the momentum to Nintendo. Of course, there are a few things that could give Nintendo momentum, but those things just aren't very realistic.
 
Microsoft putting a huge focus on Kinect 2. We all know it'll happen but the amount of focus on it vs core stuff could be problematic
 
Overpriced.
Xbox not going Blu-Ray may be one.
Heavy focus on Kinect and Entertainment over actual gaming.
Sony being... Sony.
 
Jburton said:
swing momentum to Nintendo?


Why would PS3 and 360 owners buy a Wii U over a 720 or PS4?

It will have minimal third party support, and it is more a move sideways rather than upward.


Wii U is not that much more powerful than 360 or PS3 to be considered a meaningful upgrade for most owners of those machines.


I would not consider Wii U an upgrade over the PS3 or 360, hence I have no interest in buying one.
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not that they're directly comparable, but i remember when the 360 was out and before e306, people claimed the 360 was the xbox 1.5, that it wasn't a real next gen system, and that all the ps2 owners were waiting to pick up a ps3. then e306 happen, shit went crazy, and over the course of the generation, the xbox 360 became the mainstream hit the ps2 had been among traditional gamers.

there are a lot of unknowns that can happen in a year or more. it's sorta why i gave the vita the benefit of the doubt until last december.
 
Zoramon089 said:
Microsoft putting a huge focus on Kinect 2. We all know it'll happen but the amount of focus on it vs core stuff could be problematic
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If every single MS game is Kinect required, and one ships with every system, it still won't matter when they have CoD and BF4.
 
Price.

Lack of backwards compatibility. I could see people being annoyed if their downloaded XBLA / PSN games weren't going to transfer over.

PS4 requires the same overpriced memory cards that the Vita uses.

No standard controller. Every game requires Kinect and Move.
 
Look dude, Nintendo made their bed, time to sleep in it.

Sony and MS are going to show their heavy hitters at E3. This year, next year. The years after. Hopefully there are enough people to support Nintendo who really cling to the gameplay > graphics philosophy (as if the two are mutually exclusive). People seems to really like Mario and Zelda. So good luck with that.
 
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Zoramon089 said:
Microsoft putting a huge focus on Kinect 2. We all know it'll happen but the amount of focus on it vs core stuff could be problematic
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Just the idea of pack-in Kinect has already swung me to Sony. MS need to do an amazing job of convincing Kinect 2 skeptics like me.
 
Evolved1 said:
Look dude, Nintendo made their bed, time to sleep in it.

Sony and MS are going to show their heavy hitters at E3. This year, next year. The years after. Hopefully there are enough people to support Nintendo who really cling to the gameplay > graphics philosophy (as if the two are mutually exclusive). People seems to really like Mario and Zelda. So good luck with that.
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What fantasy world are you living in where they have amazing E3s every year? NONE of the big 3 can say that. They have really good ones once every few years
 
Zoramon089 said:
What fantasy world are you living in where they have amazing E3s every year? NONE of the big 3 can say that. They have really good ones once every few years
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We'll see how it goes when they show the games...
 
1) Price (anything above $350 won't sell, everyone will buy tablets instead)
2) No backwards compatibility
3) Lack of power compared to current PCs (if the current rumours are true, this will happen with both consoles
4) Focus on any non-gaming market (they will buy tablets instead)
5) Lack of exclusives/large quantity of cross-gen games.
6) Not released anywhere before 2014.
7) Anti-used game DRM.

With the exception of 7, I fully expect all of these will happen with both of the forthcoming consoles.
 
High launch prices, anaemic up-port launch titles at a slightly higher resolution of existing titles and a major focus on upcoming PS3 / 360 titles that aren't coming out on the Orbis / Durango could easily quash launch momentum.
 
No used games
No backwards compatibility
Shitty launch lineup
High price
Massive focus on motion/tablet control

Any combo of two of them, except for backwards compatibility, and I will not be there day 1
 
High price, RRODx100, poor games, sudden pre-launch spec reductions causing games to run poorly. And I don't think any of this will cause 3rd parties to run to Nintendo, more likely they'll stick with the PS360s, and wait for the next gens to clean up their act, or for the Steambox to become viable.
 
Price.

I have the suspicion that both MS and Sony think the market can bear the load of another round of 400 dollar plus consoles. Their price scaling with the PS360 helps indicate this - a slow crawl to the bottom to maintain value in the current systems, only to have the successors come in as the high value model.

I don't think that will be as successful. There will be no generational change with the successors like there was with the PS3 and 360 - the value proposition is going to be much more difficult to sell with the eye test.

We're going to be seeing a lot of comparisons to the last generation and it being "good enough". All of this is irrespective of Nintendo, who is suffering from the same problem despite not coming from a position of a small graphical jump.
 
Evolved1 said:
Look dude, Nintendo made their bed, time to sleep in it.

Sony and MS are going to show their heavy hitters at E3. This year, next year. The years after. Hopefully there are enough people to support Nintendo who really cling to the gameplay > graphics philosophy (as if the two are mutually exclusive). People seems to really like Mario and Zelda. So good luck with that.
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Is this a joke post?
 
Nintendo aside, the two dumbest things that both could do is a high price and a list of launch games that are nothing but shiny dicks.

You will get third party games galore, you'll get a much higher end Battlefield coming soon, but what you also might get is a group of games with zero substance. It was a trend in the back half of this generation for most titles, so don't expect it to change all of a sudden.

Bungie's game might be an exception. Last Guardian as well if it ever comes out. Expect average stuff from third parties with a new coat of paint.
 
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