Clay Davis
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fuck that. why not just release all the info so we can put all this speculation to rest.
must be desperate for hits. :/
I voted move engines. I feel dirty.
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fuck that. why not just release all the info so we can put all this speculation to rest.
must be desperate for hits. :/
I voted move engines. I feel dirty.
hint: they don't have any real info.
Let's wait and see.
Clay Davis
Member
sucks if they don't, but I remain hopeful they do have some info, even if it is old.
for all my complaining, I voted for more info about the move engines.
GarthVaderUK
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What would they be used for?
Yeah what is it?
IllumiRoom comes to mind.
Uno Venova
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Mods have said vgleaks is extremely reliable so
Ads.
AgentP
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Beyond 2 Souls?
Last of Us?
The huge deal is options. Some of like the ability to branch out and try new things. What if your not a Fable/Forza/Halo fan? All-Stars and LBP Karting are great games (I own both), what can I get on the 360 like them?
You want less games? ok then.
You could render the UI at 1080p while rendering graphics at a lower resolution or even change that resolution during gameplay while maintaining the UI in 1080p
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
But why would they need that when the 360 already does everything at the selected resolution?
Even when a game is 1080p, you can still bring up the Guide which is 480p.
I don't see how this is any different, really.
The hate is strong. MS has no games and clinging to secret sauce (though I've only seen that used to slam MS lately), and Sony...well Sony is actually looking pretty good so far. But the taunting from obvious Sony fans is causing friction regardless. I don't know, maybe it'll be fun if MS is the underdog. All I know is shit is heating up but watching the mudslinging from the sidelines isn't as fun when you don't have both of the consoles sitting under your TV. This fall can't come soon enough.
I also just realized that MS is going into a lose/lose war this E3. Show off 10 new core IPs: "yeah, but for how long? That's why I'm not buying one, it'll all dry up!" You can pretty much bet on this being amongst the responses.
I also just realized that MS is going into a lose/lose war this E3. Show off 10 new core IPs: "yeah, but for how long? That's why I'm not buying one, it'll all dry up!" You can pretty much bet on this being amongst the responses.
quickwhips
Member
Microsoft has alot of arcade games that are the quality with more value than LBP karting and All-Stars. I Don't think this is the place for this discussion though.
Sounds like hardware dynamic resolutions. This was previously done with software.
Helps performance tons.
iirc Remedy already did that with Alan Wake - no scalers needed.
That's dumb. It'll only dry up if the games aren't supported by those that clamor for them...assuming these new fabled core IPs are any good.
I wonder just how low they can push memory latencies compared to PC. That has to be their focus if they're going with all this custom hardware; unfortunately then many of the techniques that will deliver impressive results on Durango won't apply to PC (or PS4.) Though I guess that's even more true current gen then it could possibly next gen, so maybe it's nothing to worry about.
I only talked planes and to be honest, I have no idea what you can do with them.
Newer cards on PC will adjust accordingly if true.
But the move engines aren't the largest of part of the secret sauce IMHO.
Your premise that they "abonded that consumer" is simply false and you only feel this way because you're hung up on an extremely arbitrary notion of "first party core-gamer exclusives" in a way the rest of the world isn't. I'd wager most of their customers do not care if a game is first-party or exclusive and do not feel abandoned as long as there are no gaps in the lineup. Hardware sales would suggest I'm right
Karak
Member
Lose lose for a very small group of people. Vocal. But small. Most people understand that almost anything in the universe can have the "how long will my pleasure last" attached to it and just like everything the answer is nebulous and attached to tons of variables. At some point...its best to not give a fuck about worrying 4 years into the future.
One thing I would like to know is how many games released a year would people stop with the "abandoned core gamers" mentality towards MS? For me it must be low and that's taking into account all of the competitors games even those that AREN'T considered core games on the other systems. Of which there are many. Because I never felt that.
Hexen was available at launch, the Japanese launch had Every Party, and I'm sure some wouldn't consider Kameo a core title (especially since you mentioned Ratchet & Clank earlier). I know that sounds like a stretch, but you did say they were "all" core titles.
Also, you act as though you knew what MS' strategy has been all along. It's every company's strategy to branch out to wider demographics as the console becomes cheaper and new potential markets open up. Sony has done the same thing the last two generations and I'm seriously puzzled how many people on GAF seem clueless to this strategy.
Agreed, Sony-gaf in general has been incredibly annoying as of late. Even though it's looking like I'll be getting the PS4 before I get Durango, I still SMH to their behavior and ignorant mentality.
Oh I see, investing in core titles through XBLA isn't enough, so it obviously doesn't count. I'd bet money between retail releases and XBLA titles (I know I know, they don't count in your world), MS is investing more in core titles now than Sony was at the tail end of last gen. Honestly, all I remember on the ps2 late last gen was R&C, Jack, GT, KZ, and GoW from Sony. Am I missing something here?
Also I don't see anything wrong with how MS has handled Kinect for the most part, and I'm not even a fan of the peripheral. They created new games specifically for the device and added it as an optional feature in some of their core titles. How does this in any way ruin or degrade the quality of these core titles? I'd really love to know. Just like Sony last gen, and even this gen with Move, MS realizes that they need to actually support a peripheral in order for it to be successful.
And last, of course you're going to point out the studios MS has closed down but completely ignore the business sense behind it (Hint: EVERY company has closed down money-losing studios this gen) or ignore the studios they have started this gen.
That's fine but the facts would prove that the casual gaming has not become a priority for them. There's a difference between branching off to support new markets open to your console and making this market your new priority.
Apps are irrelevant since they don't require resources from MS. They provide companies with the API needed for them to make their own apps.
Elginer
Member
Than what could it possibly be? Any ideas...
As mentioned, closest I can think of is this - but maybe I am wrong cause the video singnal is split up?
oldergamer
Member
Nothing is "confirmed" just yet. Don't be such a noob.
by die size? I guess that'd be ESRAM.
As mentioned, closest I can think of is this - but maybe I am wrong cause the video singnal is split up?
They showed that off at Samsung's keynote. And I've been racking my brains trying to figure out what Samsung's part in this could be, and it only just hit me, when I just thought: I wonder what projector they are using... Don't Samsung have a phone with a projector?
I wonder whether Mircrosoft can make a cheap enough version...
Who confirmed this?
The RAM having dramatically lower bandwidth seems all but confirmed at this point. Also the GPU keeps sounding like it's at least a little slower if not much slower.
I'm not saying the support will dry up, just that the possibility will be used as fanboy ammo. Look at how many people already shun MS for going hard for the first half and then going "all casual". You don't think they won't look at that as a repeat of this Gen? So no matter what they show people will casually stroll into threads and say, "yeah, it looks nice now but I need my needs met for the whole Gen, not just the beginning." It's going to be a troll-for-free card until it either actually happens or the Gen has gone on so long that nobody cares that it didn't happen.
It's something that can pull 4xMSAA and FP16 full speed if I recall that correctly. I'm not sure whether the esram is involved though.
Oh. Then Durango will be as weak as Xbox 1.5 confirmed.
I doubt the data move engines are much more than what they sound like. If you google it, it seems to be a fairly common term. Here is one for an lte radio for example: http://www.easy-c.de/publications/2010_rtcsa.pdf
The Omega Man
Member
for all we know, even if Orbis ends up being at tad more powerful hardware wise, the games might end up looking pretty much the same on both consoles, it's too ealry still to tell.
Elginer
Member
Yep, it's gonna be PS3 and 360 all over again. Damn, weak ass xboxen.
I wonder why the CPU is not an option. Frankly I would prefer they post everything already. They already posted all they know about Orbis and now they are just milking the lack of info on Durango. I do hope somebody else beat them to all this really. I voted for the Data Move Engines as I think they will play a large part into how the system deals with bandwidth and largely because they are the real unknown here.
Karak
Member
Well technically a true planer would allow some crazy optimizations within a game that would be done hardware versus software and wouldn't even need the illumaroom stuff.As mentioned, closest I can think of is this - but maybe I am wrong cause the video singnal is split up?
Hardware partners are chosen for many reasons when it comes to tech stuff like that. MS has always been close to Samsung as well.
God E3 time around here is going to be horrible.
The Abominable Snowman
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I'd spoon the info out if I were them too (real or fake). If I just put everything out there, then other news sites would have a chance to copy it and I'd get one big burst of activity, that slowly fades.
Felix Lighter
Member
This is the stuff I'm most interested in. I'm very curious how much unique effort it will take to take advantage of the strengths of each console. Lots of platform specific extra effort is not something multiplatform devs are going to want to deal with. From the sounds of the current leaks, this time around, Sony is going for a more standard configuration and MS is going for the more unique hardware. I cannot wait to see how this thing plays out.
DMA (Direct Memory Access), DME (Data Move Engines), two different things I think.
of course it does.
Dat edit.