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And that accounted for the 1 million drop from DMC 4? Did the same thing happen for Mass Effect 3?

Mass Effect and DMC have very different fanbases. ME has a very mainstream fanbase. DMC has become the go to series for far more hardcore and zealous gamers. DMC has also been around for way longer.

There are people who bought ME3 who didn't even know or care about the ending controversy. On the other hand DMC fans were pretty militant about minor aesthetic decisions like hair color.

Well, they're going out of their way to tell other people how displeased they are. They have no obligation to support the direction taken, that's for certain. Saying the fans are doing it "out of spite" is kind of like saying Capcom went forward with the reboot "out of spite"; neither would be particularly accurate.

When you leave bad reviews for a game you haven't played, before release then yes you are doing it out of spite. (Not YOU per say)

 

[thetrin]

It worries me when a writer can't tell when he should be using "have" instead of "of".

 

[SoulPlaya]

Did this just happen?

Yeah, lol.

 

[AdventureMike]

It isn't because of hair color. Most people I talk to didn't buy the game because apparently the gameplay is shit in comparison to DMC4. I don't have a PhD in DMC so it's not really in my place to speak on it, but the combat definitely felt "off" and it wasn't just the 30 fps. The style, cool hit effects, the smooth and cool animation, and the cool character/enemy design...... all gone.

Yup.

 

[rvy]

fuckwit

A person who is not only lacking in clue but is apparently unable or unwilling to acquire clue even when handed it on a plate in generous portions.

I don't get it. Is this guy projecting himself on GAF?

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

 

[pants]

http://thesilentchief.com/2011/02/0...s-partially-to-blame-for-poor-enslaved-sales/

This is amazing. It just makes me dislike the already mediocre Ninja Theory more.

 

[KdoubleA]

If this guy thinks DmC reinvented the genre then when did it bring to the table in terms of gaming mechanics. To me it feels like they took more away from the game and dumbed it down.

I bought it full price on Steam so this guy can STFU. I don't see anywhere in this game where they "reinvented" the series. I remember having to practice combos and learn the timing to Nero's trigger bullcrap. This game... the combat is shallow

Seriously... any game journalist that talks about the fans of the original Devil May Cry and bring up "white hair" in the argument automatically has everything they say flushed down the toilet for me.

Not once have I read an article from a major review site compare depth of combat from DmC to that of DMC3 and DMC4. All THEY see is that Dante got a fresh coat of paint and that stages have stupid ass gimmicks all over the place and they think it's reinvented. I guess yes. Aesthetically it looks different, but what about what's under the hood?

Well it doesn't matter. Ever since God Hand reviews I never take anything these guys say about action games or fighting games seriously.

I'm quoting this post because this is exactly what I had to say.

I too bought it day 1 on Steam, playing it all maxed out with 60+fps on a GTX 580. Great game in its own right, looks nice, great level-design, and fun to play. But that's about it. Didn't reinvent shit, it took away from its predecessors' gameplay mechanics and made Dante's personality less likable; the use of cusses as comebacks is not as cool as say Dante comparing Cerberus to Fido and taunting too, for example. White hair is not the issue, pal!

 

[rvy]

What a rebel. By tomorrow the amount of fucks will be too much to account for.

 

[Phoenixazure]

It isn't because of hair color. Most people I talk to didn't buy the game because apparently the gameplay is shit in comparison to DMC4. I don't have a PhD in DMC so it's not really in my place to speak on it, but the combat definitely felt "off" and it wasn't just the 30 fps. The style, cool hit effects, the smooth and cool animation, and the cool character/enemy design...... all gone.

the fact that its 30fps on consoles and i imagine AT LEAST 60 on a similar spec pc is a giant misstep. I think a lot of my enjoyment of DmC was playing it on PC with everything maxed, and don't think i would support the game as strongly if i played it on my ps3

 

[fvng]

To be fair this thread and its title is sensationalist as fuck. I didn't read the original piece as a declaration of war. Pretty delusional on the OP's part

 

[Currygan]

okay Ben, which one of those is you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5ba1OKY7Xc


I feel bad for even putting the Pythons next to your useless persona

 

[hey_it's_that_dog]

I really wanted to like this enough to buy it, but the demo left me unsure. I didn't really like the feeling of using the axe or the scythe, which made for a poor impression. I almost pulled the trigger on the $20 steam key from whatever that web site was, but didn't want it enough to create an account.

Maybe the game will have a long tail and sell a lot at lower prices to people who were initially skeptical or even angry.

 

[Chamber]

Shots fired!

Don't run now Ben, finish the fight!

 

[AkuMifune]

Guess I can cross DMC off the backlog. Thanks ass-hat!

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

Jesus christ. Choosing not to spend money on something=spite. Good one.

 

[Beth Cyra]

Mass Effect and DMC have very different fanbases. ME has a very mainstream fanbase. DMC has become the go to series for far more hardcore and zealous gamers. DMC has also been around for way longer.

There are people who bought ME3 who didn't even know or care about the ending controversy. On the other hand DMC fans were pretty militant about minor aesthetic decisions like hair color.




When you leave bad reviews for a game for a game you haven't played, before release then yes you are doing it out of spite. (Not YOU per say)

Ugh it was never about the hair.

He was called a crack addict because the entire look was terrible, not because he had/brown black hair. No one hated him just because his hair was black, it was because he wasn't fucking Dante in look or feel.

 

[Visualante2]

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Third panel: <- still posting on twitter despite proclaiming a 24 hour break
[quote="fvng, post: 47339789"]To be fair this thread and its title is sensationalist as fuck. I didn't read the original piece as a declaration of war. Pretty delusional on the OP's part[/QUOTE]
It is indicative of a wider issue of the gaming press siding with the industry on topics rather than consumers, and most importantly their own readers.

 

[Retro_]

His response pretty much lines up with what one would expect from the author of that article

 

[Tyrone_Biggums]

If Ben ever wanted endearment to the audience of his chosen editorial medium, he just earned it with that Tweet

 

[AlexBasch]

Really liked the demo, but I suppose I shouldn't buy this game now.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

Just waiting for this moron to be retweeted by tanneem and the cycle begins anew.

 

[diffusionx]

Ask yourself this. If DMC had kept moving on from DMC3 and DMC4, would that game be better than DmC?

Probably not.

 

[Dahbomb]

I would've bought DmC or played it anyway even if I wasn't a DMC fan per se. I am just a big fan of the genre and have played way worse games than it just because I like this type of game.

If I wasn't already invested in DMC and I saw that article... I would not be motivated to buy DMC because of this article. The article is a disservice to both the product in question and the people reading it.

It's insulting to a wider group of gamers not just the DMC fans. How DARE the gamers not buy what they don't like!

 

[Lord_Nergal]

If Ben ever wanted endearment to the audience of his chosen editorial medium, he just earned it with that Tweet

Circle the wagons! Leave no part of the P.R. machine to die!

 

[The Silver]

Yay, good job on that guy for making the already toxic relationship between the games press and consumers even more toxic.

Man what the hell is with this industry, fucking shameful.

 

[Fistwell]

His response pretty much lines up with what one would expect from the author of that article

lol should of seen it coming.

I'm very curious as to what the #1 reason is that each person settled on for not buying/playing the game.

I got other shit to do/play+ previous ninja theory games sucked major balls (imo) + lead char trying its best to come across as an annoying fuck.

But if you dismissed it without even trying it then you've got nothing to stand on

Are we somehow supposed to buy every game coming out? They failed to sell me on the game, that's plenty enough to stand on.

Why should DMC's failure be the "fault" of the (expected) target audience? How about laying the blame on the people who actually made/marketed the game?

 

[fastballspecial]

I bought it, played through it and thought it was great. I've played all the games too and it didn't bug me that it was different.

I'm very curious as to what the #1 reason is that each person settled on for not buying/playing the game. If you played it and didn't like it, that's fine, I can respect that. But if you dismissed it without even trying it then you've got nothing to stand on, especially if you consider yourself a fan of the series or action games in general.

 

[SoulPlaya]

Really liked the demo, but I suppose I shouldn't buy this game now.

I feel so bad for NT. Maybe this was all a stupid conspiracy by Capcom to really hype up DMC5?

"We of heard your cries. Here's Devil May Cry 5. . . . . . made by the same team that brought you Devil May Cry 2!"

 

[rvy]

lol should of seen it coming.

"(...) made by the same team that brought you Devil May Cry 2!"

They made 3 as well.

 

[Hypron]

Capcom sure brainwashed all these journos into thinking the DMC franchise had become stale after DMC4. What a bunch of horseshit. Before they came up with it, literally no one was arguing that. I mean, ffs, there are only 2 games in the whole franchise that have similar gameplay (DMC4 Dante feels like a refinement of DMC3 Dante). Otherwise, there are lots of differences between each instalment of the series.

I can't believe it's the same journos that'll continue giving Gears of War, God of War or Call of Duty 9/10's, when in fact those series are a lot "staler" than DMC ever was, as the gameplay changes between each iteration are pretty minimal (mind you, I'm not saying they're bad, just that they aren't really changing much gameplay wise).

And then they dare criticize their readers. Morons.

 

[ymmv]

The amount of insults video game writers hurl at their audience continues to baffle me.

Although, I guess we're not the audience that pays their wages.

Have you seen the mountains of shit heaped on NT for having the audacity to take on the Devil May Cry series? It was insane how much hate was spewed by the so called "fans" of the series. This shit went on for months. The constant barrage of negativity around this title has seriously hampered its chance at commercial succes. That's a fucking shame because it's a good game that deserves good sales.

 

[JABEE]

UK journalists always get pissy when UK-made games don't meet their sales expectations. It's been like this for ages.

Exactly. It's really transparent when reading responses to these games.

 

[SapientWolf]

For all of DMC4's faults, Capcom at least had the sense to ship it with Bloody Palace.

 

[AJ_Wings]

This is both sad and amazing at the same time.

 

[Darth]

I played the demo. I'll think about it when it hits bargain prices of $15 or less. At least the demo is better than the horrible gameplay in Enslaved. Why on earth would somebody play Enslaved, with its crappy gameplay, and think the developer would be good for DMC game?

 

[SoulPlaya]

They made 3 as well.

Capcom sucks at marketing.

I thought my joke would be clearer with the "We of" part.

 

[Floex]

UK journalists always get pissy when UK-made games don't meet their sales expectations. It's been like this for ages.

Examples?

 

[BadWolf]

For all of DMC4's faults, Capcom at least had the sense to ship it with Bloody Palace.

And Dante (you know, the one everyone likes).

 

[Beth Cyra]

I bought it, played through it and thought it was great. I've played all the games too and it didn't bug me that it was different.

I'm very curious as to what the #1 reason is that each person settled on for not buying/playing the game. If you played it and didn't like it, that's fine, I can respect that. But if you dismissed it without even trying it then you've got nothing to stand on, especially if you consider yourself a fan of the series or action games in general.

No game sells to every single consumer, and people don't need to justify not buying any game.

If you don't want it, you don't want it and there is zero reason one should feel the need to do so. If you want to talk about over all quality and how it handles then sure, otherwise dismissing any game be it DmC up to CoD is completely a right the consumer has.

 

[Dennis]

This fuckwit continues to be appalled at the current level of games "journalism".

 

[LuchaShaq]

The reaction from fans WAS pathetic. The only reason I am even 1% interested in this game is due to psychopaths acting like this game sexually assaulted and murdered every member of their family.

That said as someone who didn't care for DMC4 they don't look like they have changed ENOUGH for me to actually care beyond putting it about 20th in my gamefly que.

Ugh it was never about the hair.

He was called a crack addict because the entire look was terrible, not because he had/brown black hair. No one hated him just because his hair was black, it was because he wasn't fucking Dante in look or feel.

They could have made Dante a giant fighting dildo, or a laptop bag, or a rabid racoon, or a little girl, or a box fan with legs and a face, they could have made the game a f2p card collecting game.

None of those things would be a valid reason for people to leave reviews for games they haven't played, and they wouldn't be a valid reason for people to lose their sanity and rant about this shit for over a year.

 

[Lord_Nergal]

Have you seen the mountains of shit heaped on NT for having the audacity to take on the Devil May Cry series? It was insane how much hate was spewed by the so called "fans" of the series. This shit went on for months. The constant barrage of negativity around this title has seriously hampered its chance at commercial succes. That's a fucking shame because it's a good game that deserves good sales.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Nothing 'deserves' sales. At its fundamental level, a business is an equation designed to maximize profits. If the market the business targets doesn't want the change, it's not the market's duty to provide sales. You don't 'owe' a business anything.

 

[JABEE]

Examples?

OP

 

[Pai Pai Master]

For all of DMC4's faults, Capcom at least had the sense to ship it with Bloody Palace.

DmC doesn't have Bloody Palace? And unskippable cutscenes? And they wonder why it's being poorly received by some fans?

Have you seen the mountains of shit heaped on NT for having the audacity to take on the Devil May Cry series? It was insane how much hate was spewed by the so called "fans" of the series. This shit went on for months. The constant barrage of negativity around this title has seriously hampered its chance at commercial succes. That's a fucking shame because it's a good game that deserves good sales.

Nothing "deserves" sales. I'm not obligated to buy a copy because some people think it's good. NT got shit when this was announced because plenty of people feel that NT isn't that great of a developer and wasn't going to bring much to the table for a series like DMC. And for a lot of us, they didn't.

 

[rvy]

This fuckwit continues to be appalled at the current level of games "journalism".

All the fuckwits in this thread agree.

Capcom sucks at marketing.

I thought my joke would be clearer with the "We of" part.

That's what happens when journalists butcher the English language, I assume their mistakes aren't mistakes. My apologies.

 

[Cerebral Assassin]

Third panel: <- still posting on twitter despite proclaiming a 24 hour break

It is indicative of a wider issue of the gaming press siding with the industry on topics rather than consumers, and most importantly their own readers.

MCV isn't aimed at consumers (although he isn't even serving the retailers who it is aimed at).

 

[SillyEskimo]

I didn't buy it because it will be 20$ or less within a 6 month time frame. I'd like to think most people have figured this out by now and wait as well.

If you expect 2-3 million sales in the first month, your game better be fucking amazing and warrent the 60$ price. Also, you better hope you have little to no competition, at least not in your genre.

 

[Atrophis]

Why are games journalists so invested in the sales of certain titles? You don't see film reviewers crying over box office figures and lamenting the intelligence of their audience.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

I will never buy this game.