MCV's PR blogger mad gamers didn't buy DmC, calls GAF a bad word
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fvng
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HOW DARE YOU be against the consumers, you are lined up with the interest of corporations and journalists.
You shouldn't base your feelings on a game on something a game blog editor said.
DMC4 ended up the way it did from executive meddling from Capcom. There was no need for a reboot, at all. Why shoehorn the IP onto a game that has little to do with it?
I thought people were starved for new IP's?
Funny thing is Capcom wanted this game to appeal to a wider audience and in doing so shit on the old fanbase, but that "wider audience" couldn't give less of s shit about this game. They are likely waiting for God Of War. So they likely will still end up with a small niche audience even with the new fans. Hope that isn't lost on Capcom.
Rainbow In The Dark
Member
I stopped reading as soon as I noticed that. I don't get how that person has a job as a journalist(editor or whatever) when making a simple mistake as that. Oh well, LOL Game Journalism indeed.
Not at all, who are these people that say that other gamers can't enjoy DmC? Grasping for straws much?
dragonflys545
Member
They should have made it into a shooter.
TheJollyCorner
Member
hahahah I haven't really been following the DmC threads, but "Devil May Why" (first time seeing that) is making me laugh far more than it should.
You haven't been following the various DmC sales related threads have you?
DmC ships 1 million copies, forecast lowered to 1.2 million
Predecessor shipped 2 million copies in same time frame, went on to sell 2.7 million.
Snapshot King
Member
Do you actually have a point? I don't think anyone is implying that people who like DmC are anti-consumer shills. The point is that THIS guy is an anti-consumer shill.
What is this even? Not a single person has claimed those who liked the game are against consumers. Stupid PR being anti consumer and shitty articles being anti consumer has nothing to do with DmC's fans.
A word of advice for Ben Parfitt/MCV:
I have considerable doubt that GAF and any other hardcore gaming community are the ones responsible for flagging sales of a mediocre reboot of a valuable IP. I would heavily suggest spending more valuable time examining Capcom's expectation of sales, marketing strategies, and the fact they failed to get a hold of the audience most prudent for sales: mainstream.
That would require a level of journalistic integrity that is currently not exemplified by either parties.
I have considerable doubt that GAF and any other hardcore gaming community are the ones responsible for flagging sales of a mediocre reboot of a valuable IP. I would heavily suggest spending more valuable time examining Capcom's expectation of sales, marketing strategies, and the fact they failed to get a hold of the audience most prudent for sales: mainstream.
That would require a level of journalistic integrity that is currently not exemplified by either parties.
fvng
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Broadbandito
Member
bravo. The actions of an individual make you not enjoy something you do? Lol
it really all comes down to the business models of these "AAA" games. It'll be nice to see costs go down with the new systems so games can sell a million copies and be dubbed a success
PeterVenkman
Member
Your posts are empty and they prove how little you have to bring to this discussion.
Glass Rebel
Member
You know, as childish and stupid this has been from the perspective of someone who places himself firmly in the middle between the rabid DmC haters and defenders, it's refreshing to see that at the end of the day consumers still have more power than publishers or media-outlets.
ThatStupidLion
Member
rather than reinvent dante for the 21st century just make a new IP and dont piggyback off of the "devil may cry" name and fans....
Haven't we established already that MCV is not really gaming journalism but something heavily PR influenced directed to retailers? Not that it excuses them for this, but let's not lump them in the "gaming journalism" catch-all net. This of course if I'm remembering correctly from the whole doritosgate ramifications in UK.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
The tweet in the OP isn't very nice. 
fvng
Member
sigh
I expect citations of data/statistics. throwing numbers in the air without substantiating them means nothing
Some people were able to deal with the somewhat juvenile tone of the Devil May Cry series, because as a whole it was a good game, with a decent, yet messy, story. With DMC, it is even more juvenile, but worse yet, every-time you see and hear Dante now, you have to imagine Paul Walker in your head, it doesn't get any worse then that.
Oh and the story went from passable to incredibly hamfisted and just plain cheesy(Scifi channel movie, cheesy). Some people can enjoy that, knowing what it is, because it offers some great gameplay, and for them that is great; but for many of us who grew up with DMC, DmC was the line in the proverbial sand that some of us were not willing to cross.
DmC is the Project X of video games, right now, imo, and really is an appeal to the lowest common denominator among video game players, outside of the gameplay.
Oh and the story went from passable to incredibly hamfisted and just plain cheesy(Scifi channel movie, cheesy). Some people can enjoy that, knowing what it is, because it offers some great gameplay, and for them that is great; but for many of us who grew up with DMC, DmC was the line in the proverbial sand that some of us were not willing to cross.
DmC is the Project X of video games, right now, imo, and really is an appeal to the lowest common denominator among video game players, outside of the gameplay.
BadAss2961
Member
That has nothing to do with a fan, but a shill being stupid and not even following through with what he said he was going to do.
PeterVenkman
Member
They've been posted, that's the point. You make sweeping generalizations and ignore the facts when they are posted. The facts have been lined up, and proper complaints with the game has been leveled. You just refuse to acknowledge it.
Ken Masters
Banned
This, the same game twice, one of the laziest excuses for a game I ever played
inHallways
Member
Do my eyes deceive me or does he in fact give o fucks. As in "oh", distinct from 0 (zero).
Not that it matters of course, easy mistake to make and all that, but it does irritate my brain slightly.
Snapshot King
Member
In the same time it took you to passively aggressively sigh at several posters, you could have taken 30 seconds and look them up yourself if you actually doubted them instead of just being difficult.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_May_Cry_4#Sales
"Devil May Cry 4 sold well in Japan and the United States. On February 20, 2008, Capcom's president Haruhiro Tsujimoto announced in a press release that the game shipped 2 million copies in its first month, making it the fastest sequel in the series to reach this mark.[51] As of March 31, 2012, the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions sold 2.6 million copies.[52] As of December 20, 2010, the PS3 version has sold 362,141 copies in Japan.[53][54][55][56]"
velociraptor
Junior Member
Pages later....................
DMC is 4.5 stars at Amazon UK.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00844P5TK/
But look, DMC really isn't a bad game. I don't understand the hate it receives. I'd give it a solid 8/10. It's better than DMC4, which was awful as far as I'm concerned; a game full of backtracking and repeat bosses.
Pureauthor
Member
And for the record, DMC 4 was released 31st January 2008 in Japan, and 5th February 2008 in USA. The article there is 19 February 2008.
Those numbers come directly from a Capcom announcement.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Is that really because of power over publishers or just the fact that not many people really give a shit about DMC?
peanutbutterlatte
Member
The tweet in the OP isn't very nice.
... maybe he was talking about a different NeoGAF?
Because the Capcom test exists : If it does well, no more DMC. If it does bad, no more DmC OR DMC. The whole DMC HD collection thing was to cheat the test.
Hot Coldman
Banned
The tweet in the OP isn't very nice.
I like how we're trying to shutdown attributing things to hivemind mentality when meanwhile professionals are doing that very same thing to a wider audience. Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy etc etc sarcastic jubilation
PeterVenkman
Member
Pages later....................
No please, I'm already full on tears from the sales thread. I couldn't eat another slice
fvng
Member
fair enough. I have this habit of including links backing up my statement whenever I make a claim. I guess it's silly of me to expect the same of others. The person I asked to include a citation did not include a citation. No point in harping on this further, so moving on.
Cerebral Assassin
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Or I can use the projected shipping amounts from Capcom (which is what this thread is about), & given the front loaded nature of most Videogames it is highly unlikely that DmC will get anywhere close to DMC4 (which lest you forget wasn't good enough for Capcom). So unless you think that DmC had less than 1/2 the budget of DMC4 it is very hard to see it as anything other than a failure.
How many times do people have to explain what sort of publication MCV is before you stop referring to it as a game blog?
I gave you link which included numbers for both games. The shipment numbers are from Capcom themselves. Maybe if you got off your ass and googled all the UK/Japan sales for DmC/DMC4 you can make the comparison yourself.
DMC4 sells 245K first week in Japan
DmC sells 120K first week in Japan
DmC sells less than 1/3rd of DMC4 in UK first week
This combined with the difference in shipment numbers between the two (1 million vs 2 million initial shipment) you can easily guess the NPD numbers of DmC as well. Here's a hint: It's not going to be the 530K that DMC4 sold first month in US.
360 DEVIL MAY CRY 4* CAPCOM USA 8-Feb 295.2K 2
PS3 DEVIL MAY CRY 4* CAPCOM USA 8-Feb 233.5K 4.
ChackanKun
Member
This is actually so true lol
Glass Rebel
Member
DMC2 didn't kill DMC3 either. And that was a godawful game.
If people don't care about DMC it's only Capcom's fault. It took them 5 year for a followup.
JehutyRunner
Banned
Yeah, that Sauron comment I made - I still love you really, GAF. <3
Hot Coldman
Banned
I remember a LOT more complaints about 30fps. Like, a lot more. So no, it's not true. It wasn't spite, it was "oh god this could very well be a subpar experience".
Turns out it wasn't subpar at all, so everyone wins, and everyone gets to go home happy. Well, except for nutjob bloggers who think they need to "call out the haters" or whatever.
fvng
Member
because the burden of proof is not on me. I am not the one making the claim. Even if it took me one second of googling to credit/discredit the post I wouldn't do it because the poster should have included a source in his post.
I already know what MCV is, what I'm wondering is why are people here reacting towards the author of the article as if he were a representative of Capcom. ("I'm crossing this game off my backlog!!")