Pachter/EEDAR predict NA Wii U sales came in between 110,000 and 125,000 in January
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outunderthestars
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Well the last one sold 27 million units. Has any sequel ever bombed as hard as NSMB U in comparison to its previous version?
metalslimer
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Nintendogs+Cats and I suppose Brain Training will be the victor when that comes out in the west.
Gamer @ Heart
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When they set those numbers 8 months or so ago, i would imagine they were working under the assumption Lego, 101, and Pikmin would actually make it out sooner.
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thepotatoman
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They were right in learning they can't afford to price gouge and to launch with a mario game.
Problem is production costs are too high compared to the perceived benefit to consumers so the console still appears expensive even without price gouging, and the mario game they launched with is extremely similar to the mario games on the Wii, DS, and 3DS games, so while it might be fun, I don't think its the system seller that nintendo wanted it to be to most people.
It's like they knew what the problem was without understanding why it was a problem in the first place.
Looking at the Media Create threads, the Wii U has sold about 115'000 consoles in Japan in the month of January.
If the NPD numbers actually turn out to be as extremely low as Pachter predicts, they are hilariously bad.
OldJadedGamer
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That's why they dropped the price at the very first E3 on the PS3 then by the time the system was a year old the 40 gig launched at $399.
ViewtifulJC
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And Rayman not being delayed for ports for seven months, three weeks out from release
What Wii-u games are coming out this month?
How did it bomb?
The Horror the horror
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I'm glad Nintendo is realizing that they can't bank on the casual fans any longer. I expect them to transform to full hardcore mode once Wii Fit U and Wii Party U underperform.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Could see it being sub 110k by a few hairs then since Pachter estimates normally come in a little large.
Unless Nintendo are capable of putting in the sheer amount of restructuring, studio buying/fostering, and third party appeasing Sony had to engage in with the PS3, this box is looking destined for a Gamecube or less future. From developer and publisher shuffling it already seems too late though.
Unless Nintendo are capable of putting in the sheer amount of restructuring, studio buying/fostering, and third party appeasing Sony had to engage in with the PS3, this box is looking destined for a Gamecube or less future. From developer and publisher shuffling it already seems too late though.
OldJadedGamer
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Everyone loves the casuals when they flock to your product like sheep but everyone complains when the casuals leave like a bunch of sheep. Casuals are easy come, easy go.
Sammy Samusu
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360 - 180,000 (-33%) / 260,000 (-4%)
Wow, huge difference.
As for Wii U, bomba. Let's see if Nintendo can change the situation later this year.
Wow, huge difference.
As for Wii U, bomba. Let's see if Nintendo can change the situation later this year.
Gamer @ Heart
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Fist of the North Star 2 on eshop a few days ago, and i think that is it.
March meanwhile has about 6
Version 3.0
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At this point, realistically, I hoping the Wii U is just a Nintendo hit or two away from survival.
Metallix87
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Did the Wii game sell those 27 million units in the first two months on the market?
metalslimer
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Unless you actually tie them into an ecosystem like Apple has managed to do with the iDevices. This is where Nintendo failed miserably with the Wii. If you treat your customers as expendable they'll end up leaving unless you give them major incentives to stay. It is not a flaw to go after the mass market consumer. Many business are based on that. Nintendo has just hit the wrong note for like 3 years straight.
Zoramon089
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Don't play dumb. Unless the WiiU version sells 13x its console base it's a flop!
Actually that's what they need. More casual users to boost their sales. They are selling entirely on the base fans at this very moment.
Version 3.0
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It's really way too early to have any idea of how much, but there's really no chance of it reaching the Wii version's numbers. Don't get caught up in the word "bomb". In this case, it doesn't mean bad sales, just bad by comparison.
The Horror the horror
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Not me. I want this Wii U to spit out at least 3 new Mario Galaxies, 2 new Zeldas (Gamecube had 2), 1 new StarFox, 1 new F Zero, and 2 Metroid Primes. Only a console dedicted strictly to hardcore gamers can generate such an overabundance of goodness in one generation.
Metallix87
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It's really way too early to say that.
ViewtifulJC
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...shit
well...Lego City looks cute >_>
*was under the impression Rayman, Pikmin, and 101 were in the launch window*
shinra-bansho
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All these people saying "that's not bad."
No. It's atrocious if true.
No. It's atrocious if true.
OldJadedGamer
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I guess people felt burned by the Wii and didn't translate over to the WiiU like a lot of folks thought. Nintendo did pretty much ignore the customer for the last years of the systems life.
How do you think MS will keep their Kinect userbase?
Well I think it's way too early to say anything as a fact, though I'm inclined to believe the game won't reach 20+ million. I just found it odd to compare the 2 games. Especially with the game being a Mario game which is an evergreen title.
They did that in the UK, someone sued Nintendo for the ad being misleading since all games don't use the feature, and the ads got pulled.
http://gamingeverything.com/37595/wii-u-commercial-banned-in-the-uk-ruled-as-misleading/
It would be good if Nintendo reworked the ads to make it clear that it isn't for all games but considering, Nintendo hasn't clarified many of the game-specific functionality to consumers at launch (such as voice chat, 3D, etc.) and is seemingly leaving that up to the publishers to advertise it, I wouldn't be surprised if all that functionality is left out of ads for good.
metalslimer
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I don't, and never said I did. In fact with the horrendous Kinect lineup ever since it launch, it being completely overpriced, and MS's overpromises I can see why MS would force bundle it into every Durango.
Edit: I haven't seen a Wii U advertisement or sponsorship in months. Sony is treating the Vita better than that.
Gamer @ Heart
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No, most of us were expecting sub 100k.
Its unquestionably slow and very disappointing, but far from atrocious.
Its not selling PSP levels.
ViewtifulJC
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I can see the press release right now
"The Wii-U continues to stay above Vita levels of disappointing sales expectations"
Dream big
metalslimer
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Who is most of us? Sub 100k would be disastrous. 110k would be atrocious.
Lucky they don't have to issue releases for Japan and Europe then.
This suggested sales number is atrocious - especially considering this figure apparently refers to a five week reporting period. Looking at the prediction thread, most are expecting the value to be in the quoted range, not sub-100'000.
And, of course, we don't even know about the accuracy of Pachter's suggestion, yet.
Oh, I never claimed you did, but rather how they can keep it. I see them bundling Kinect as a way to make sure devs include Kinect features so it has an "edge" (looooool) over the other platform versions.
Kinect seems to be a hit with the casuals though, and they seem to be content with the games coming out for it too.
airmangataosenai
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I can't believe that there's a shot that I overestimated the Wii U for January. Holy crap....
Steve Youngblood
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Sentences like this leave me scratching my head in the sense that it leaves me puzzled as to what the intended point was. "Very disappointing, but far from atrocious." It just reads like an attempt at nuanced spin that has literally no meaning behind it.
shinra-bansho
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No, it's atrocious no matter how one tries to spin it.
People also aren't factoring in this was an unusual 5-week January for NPD when doing comparisons with past systems.
metalslimer
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Is Kinect really a hit? It might have broken sales records at launch, but with the complete silence from MS and the horrendous software sales it seems to have been the biggest fad of the last generation.
Is January not always 5 weeks?
I just don't understand how some think this decides the whole 5 years of the rest of the consoles life. DS, PSP, PS3, 3DS. It takes a few good months worth of games to turn a platform around. Some of which you know Nintendo has and some of which I think Sony could get on the Vita (GTA, MGS). It's like Groundhogs day every day here.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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It wouldn't be neogaf without words like "disgusting", "embarrassing", "insulting", "shameful" and now "atrocious".
shinra-bansho
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No, it only happens every 6 years or so. 2007 was also a leap month for NPD. I don't believe 2006 was - so the 360's weekly average comes off much better.
If if 18 million Kinects sold by December 2011 means it isn't a hit, then I'm not sure what a hit is. IMO, the whole reason why the 360 still sells strongly is due to the casuals buying a 360 with Kinect. I can see why it would be more appealing than a Wii/PS Move. Kinect doesn't require any controllers and makes it much more interesting.
ViewtifulJC
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How would describe these sales, TheGreatMightyPoo? What's your spin on the situation?
metalslimer
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Well Kinect's appeal certainly hasn't been reflected in software sales or in increased Kinect lineup. I guess my question was whether Kinect was a long term success or just a one year fad that people don't really give a shit about anymore. I'm sure MS made a ton of money off of it though, but in the same way that Nintendo's last few years of the Wii may have burned themselves going into the Wii U, the Kinect lineup was even more dismal so I question them pushing that as they big advancement this year.
Steve Youngblood
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Personally, I don't understand why some think that assessing a platform's current performance/viability forever tethers you to an assessment that you are not allowed to change. Even knowing what I know now about the PS3's current global position of being profitable and decently successful, if I could go back in time, I wouldn't think any 2007 analysis of the platform as being one that is struggling with a dubious future would be off the mark. Future success doesn't work retroactively. Questions back then about the PS3's long-term viability would still be reasonable even with 2013 hindsight.
If the Wii U turns out to be a soaring success after a great 2013 holiday season, that doesn't suddenly mean that these first three months were great.
Well putting it as a focus for many E3s would suggest they think it is a good venture. I don't think casuals care whether there are many games released for it. I think they are content with it the release schedules.
metalslimer
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I was just wondering why MS stopped releasing sales milestones, if the success had continued at such a rapid pace or did sales completely fall off a cliff last year.
walking fiend
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Exactly; makes too much sense!
It 'was' a hit; but its sale decreased exponentially, apparently by the gap between milestones