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Seriously do not feel like sitting in class today, but I skipped last week and need to go this week. It's only one day a week and I know I shouldn't complain but I have very little willpower or motivation to sit through class. I just don't see the point of it.

A little rant sorry.

I'm not any better.
All my classes are online this semester but I still have low motivation to do any of the work because I'm not passionate about any of the stuff I'm learning and depression has just been relentless.
On a side note: Today's an exam and I still haven't taken it because of how devilishly hard it is.
 
So I couldn't get a refill for my meds this week after just starting off on it for two weeks. I definitely do feel a bit down, but that may be because I was late an hour for work and customer service is starting to take a toll on me. Seems silly to think a lack of 20mg citalopram has such an effect, but it's nice to have a scapegoat reason to explain why I'm feeling shitty today.
 
I wanted to say that I am still available if anyone needs anyone to talk to, I just don't spend a lot of time online anymore. Short bursts are about all I can manage, but I am still rooting for all of you. I am also quitting smoking this week, so I'm going to be a bit of a weepy mess, but I'll still be here to talk if anyone needs to. Just PM me, anytime. I'll get back to you even if takes a little bit.
 
Getting a letter in the mail from Prax makes any Monday better!

Depression-GAF pen pals! OH BOY!

Her drawing of a bagel beats mine, but I think I edge her on girly handwriting.

Seriously, letters are the best! And I will write to you if I have even a remote idea of who you are. Just ask nicely. Hell, I wrote to EdmondD and he's really mean.
 
I wanted to say that I am still available if anyone needs anyone to talk to, I just don't spend a lot of time online anymore. Short bursts are about all I can manage, but I am still rooting for all of you. I am also quitting smoking this week, so I'm going to be a bit of a weepy mess, but I'll still be here to talk if anyone needs to. Just PM me, anytime. I'll get back to you even if takes a little bit.

Oh wow. You're taking on a lot right now. Quitting smoking is one of the hardest things a person can do.. but I think its something I've finally conquered.. so if you need to talk about that, PM me :)
 
I wanted to say that I am still available if anyone needs anyone to talk to, I just don't spend a lot of time online anymore. Short bursts are about all I can manage, but I am still rooting for all of you. I am also quitting smoking this week, so I'm going to be a bit of a weepy mess, but I'll still be here to talk if anyone needs to. Just PM me, anytime. I'll get back to you even if takes a little bit.

Well I'm still always around if you need me via Pm, I'll answer.

On another note guys, I want to talk to my parents about them helping me in my life. I'm trying to think of new options what I'm trying to do with my life but at the same time doing stuff I don't mind.
So far I'm also thinking of starting an online business (of what is still up to debate in my head) or deal with the stock market like my dad. There's other career options but I still need my parent's help for it. The only problem, me and my family are not really the best socially and we rarely talk about anything personal if at all. I know my mom is wanting to help but I just don't have the nerve to say anything because I know in the back of my mind she won't want to help me do my options because they are "risky" I guess.

TL;DR: How do I initiate a conversation with my parents about them helping me with my career life?
 
Well I'm still always around if you need me via Pm, I'll answer.

On another note guys, I want to talk to my parents about them helping me in my life. I'm trying to think of new options what I'm trying to do with my life but at the same time doing stuff I don't mind.
So far I'm also thinking of starting an online business (of what is still up to debate in my head) or deal with the stock market like my dad. There's other career options but I still need my parent's help for it. The only problem, me and my family are not really the best socially and we rarely talk about anything personal if at all. I know my mom is wanting to help but I just don't have the nerve to say anything because I know in the back of my mind she won't want to help me do my options because they are "risky" I guess.

TL;DR: How do I initiate a conversation with my parents about them helping me with my career life?

Same here, hon.

And possibly since your dad is into stock markets, express an interest in that, and ask him how he thinks you should start? Most of the time people like to be regarded as a mentor, especially parents.
 
I'm pretty sure I have undiagnosed bipolar disorder. I can be fine for a bit, then my world just falls apart and I want to lock myself away and engage in self-destruction. Right now I'm on the verge of tears and hitting my head against a wall for no real reason. My motivation to get anything done regarding school is extremely low right now (about 3 days behind on calculus work, have a French and Biology project due this week and I've started neither, and I have a math test for night school coming up soon), and it doesn't help that my parents push me to "do well" when I know for a fact I just can't anymore. I just want to go away; move to a country where needing an education isn't required and I can just live a simple life.
 
Hello, depression-GAF,

I'm gblues and I suffer from depression.

I'm actually doing pretty well right now--I am starting a new job next week that pays very well, and I'm moving back to Portland and I'm looking forward to reconnecting with old friends.

I take 10mg of citalopram daily, which helps quite a bit. I was leery of the whole psycho-active meds thing, but I'm glad I got some help.

My best friend, who also suffers from depression, just admitted himself to the VA hospital last night after drill. He's not suicidal, but his therapist thought he needed to get more serious treatment. At the moment, I'm cleaning up his place and taking care of his dog.

The trouble? I'm leaving for Portland on Wednesday. I wish I could stay longer, and I can't and I'm really worried about him. His life's been steadily going to shit over the last year, and I can't help feel that I'm letting him down. But I have to take care of my family.
 
I just want to go away; move to a country where needing an education isn't required and I can just live a simple life.
Cliche but the grass is always greener on the other side. Also as someone from a "third world country" where a lot of the people I know did not have an education nor did they "need" one because they were living on farms and stuff, it's a bit upsetting to see people romanticize it and downplay their issues and problems. Their lives are anything but simple.
 
The musical tribute I've always wanted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5jdX38zG9s

They misspelled the title, but he clearly sings "I cry BAGEL! BAGEL! Look at me now! The walls of my town, they come crumbling down!"

(The dude playing banjo is about THIS CLOSE to just having sex with his instrument right there on stage! He's into it!)

One key to coping with depression is to cultivate a Prax-ian approach to life: Just delight in silliness and find things to laugh about. There's a positive feedback loop. When I'm feeling like myself, I can't help but see the funny side of things (especially my own quirks and foibles). If I can project that back to the world, I find that other people react to me better, which makes me happier, so I'm more outgoing and silly, so people react to that more, so...

Like I had to demonstrate a physical exam today, and I was actually feeling nervous. It's different just doing it versus doing it with someone watching you and checking off a list of 40 things you need to do. But I was still feeling good today, so I didn't go all serious and freaked out. Instead, I had my patient laughing with me (and at me) in the first 30 seconds, and it went incredibly well. I was just...me. The version of me that I think of as true, the one I want to show to the world. I felt great about it, and I relaxed, and the patient was just super sweet to me, and even the instructor was laughing. I thought I would screw up SOMETHING, but he thought I did great and remarked on what excellent rapport I had with my patient. It just...it all went well, and made me feel like being that way the rest of the day. At my best, I think that I can simultaneously take people's concerns very seriously and feel incredible empathy, and make them feel that and know I care, but also be silly and light-hearted and...approachable? And that's something that I do better than many of my colleagues (if I can be really immodest about it), who tend to go into SERIOUS DOCTOR MODE with patients. Or, if they're sillier, they go way too far that way. I guess I think I have really good bedside manner, if I think about it, but I need to overcome my shyness and self-doubt, and all of my second-guessing and brooding and all the stuff depression does to me to reach that point.

I'll stop rambling. It's hard to control but, like bad moods, good moods can absolutely be self-sustaining. The more I can laugh about things, the more I can nudge myself into a positive feedback loop.
 
Fuck it, booking an appointment to see a doc again, no doubt they will prescribe me something. Was on Fluoxetine over a year ago but never felt like it really did anything for me. Lets see how this goes .....
 
I don't know man. Herding goats in Namibia? Maybe would be fun.. Yaks in Mongolia? maybe.

I don't know about moving to a third world country but I frequently fantasize about moving into an abandoned underground missile complex and never seeing another human ever again.

I think I'd need Internet though - I need my MMOs for the false sense of achievement.
 
Well, I'm currently laughing my ass of but mildy afraid I might fall over at any second. I just inhaled six hits of computer duster and am in such a state that I don't care what happens next.

If I wake up tomorrow I'm definitely editing this post. But everything feels right. Odd thing is I didn't even pick the can up for this purpose, my PC legitimately was dusty and needed to be sprayed off and came through amazon on Friday, just found it in my mailbox. I guess you could call it an experiment with no correct outcome.

Please call someone and tell them what you did. Please.
 
I've been on a downward spiral since last Wednesday. Work-related issues. Cannot really see any reason to continue with my projects now that I am more aware of their application (read: lack thereof).

Why should I be interested in completing my projects if no-one gives a shit about them but me?

If I had another job offer on the table, I would not think twice about handing in my notice.
 
Gonna call my uni's mental health system tomorrow I guess. I would phone a friend but everyone is asleep for another few hours and I wouldn't want to wake them up.
 
Gonna call my uni's mental health system tomorrow I guess. I would phone a friend but everyone is asleep for another few hours and I wouldn't want to wake them up.

I think you'll be fine, at least I hope so. Why would you even do something like that? Lack of access to drugs/alcohol?
 
Frankly just curiosity. Its wearing off and I have a slight headache but everything else seems ok. Kind of don't want to fall asleep as I'm nervous about waking up but I am exhausted because I didn't sleep last night either.
 
Forgive me for not being able to respond to all of you, but I try if I can think of something kind of substantial to say! And if I'm not too late in saying it.

You can also always grab my attention by mentioning my name if you need a response of some kind. You guys can PM me too if you really want.

Man, my life has been going nowhere for the past 7 years. I wish my friends or family would just be like, "Yeah, I think it might be time to kill yourself." Of course that'll never happen, it would just make it so much easier. I'm just tired of trying to get help, I'm tired of people asking me how I'm doing...just tired of it all.

Sorry, just venting here. People always say "It'll get better." Problem is, the only way it will get better is if I try to do something about it and I just don't have the energy to do that anymore. FUCK A DUCK
It's good that your friends and family care enough and for you to realize that to stick around.
You might not have the energy now, but it could be eventually. And it could be you need some kind of spark or inspiration or motivation to do so. Depression causes a kind of inertia barrier, so you might need a LOT more support to just get over the threshold compared to most people, but I think it's possible.

Change can be difficult, and slow.. inconceivably slow, but it happens eventually. And maybe it will take a lot of pushing and shoving with no sign of improvement (like prying open a jar), but suddenly BAM! It just clicks. Or maybe you will be able to see it in little steps at a snail's pace until you make it. Or maybe it will snowball into something great if you just get the ball rolling.
That kind of thing is hard to predict and the wait and uncertainty (or.. the overwhelming sense of certainty that no change can happen) is maddening, but you're still around and you've been holding up so far, and you can do this. Be good to yourself, build that energy up (good diet, good sleep, good thoughts), and try something small and keep going.

I am beginning to realise I might have pretty serious depression.
I always think 'am just down' as I think I know what depression is but the more I think about it the more I realise that those states I was in were a mix of anxiety attacks and serious down periods. Instead I spend most of my time day in day out in a state of depression.

It doesn't help however that I am currently very much in a down swing. A strong one.
Going back to Uni and realising that it finishes soon isn't helping. You see I don't have a job and no one really wants to give me one.

Then there is the matter that is me having to apply for jobs in a depressed, passive aggressive and self destructive state. If I feel hard done by an awkward question or form then I just don't fill it in. Not to mention the effort and time it takes to apply for somewhere when I suspect they'll tell me to bugger off anyway.

Am gonna go look through job boards and stare depressed.
Go have that checked out then. See a GP and have them screen you for depression.
Also if you feel in a down swing wit anxiety, try to relax and centre yourself. You're safe. You are in control. You can decide what to do. If there's a weird question on a form, you just fill it in with what you think they might find acceptable. And you let it go and hope for the interview to clarify if it even comes up. And every effort you spend even if it doesn't land you something is not wasted. It's experience and at least shows that you're trying.

I'm pretty sure I have undiagnosed bipolar disorder. I can be fine for a bit, then my world just falls apart and I want to lock myself away and engage in self-destruction. Right now I'm on the verge of tears and hitting my head against a wall for no real reason. My motivation to get anything done regarding school is extremely low right now (about 3 days behind on calculus work, have a French and Biology project due this week and I've started neither, and I have a math test for night school coming up soon), and it doesn't help that my parents push me to "do well" when I know for a fact I just can't anymore. I just want to go away; move to a country where needing an education isn't required and I can just live a simple life.
Windam, you can doo ittttt! No problem! half ass it all the way if you must! You will feel the sense of pride from pulling it off even if it's not spectacular (or like.. hand it in a few days late if you can). It's never the end of the world for these things. There's always second chances in the world of schoolwork (extra credit work, summer school, remedial classes etc).

It sounds like you have a lot of pressure in your life and you just want to feel like you don't need to or aren't expected to live up to all these obligations. I feel the same way a lot, but it helps to reaffirm to yourself that you're doing what you can given the constraints. Take a breath to calm your mind, organize on the first task (maybe that means the easiest take to get the ball rolling) and go about it. Even if all you mange to do it decide the order of tasks you want to do, hey at least it's something. And build from that to keep the cycle going.

And eventually, you can life the simple life if you want. Just find a pathway to get there. Maybe it means that you just want to be worker in a floral shop or a person that stocks shelves at night or drycleaner? Apply for a simple job and live a simple life if you really want. (I understand there might be.. social/familial/cultural pressures that may tell you otherwise, but you do what you need to in order to live your life in balance).

Getting a letter in the mail from Prax makes any Monday better!

Depression-GAF pen pals! OH BOY!

Her drawing of a bagel beats mine, but I think I edge her on girly handwriting.

Seriously, letters are the best! And I will write to you if I have even a remote idea of who you are. Just ask nicely. Hell, I wrote to EdmondD and he's really mean.

The musical tribute I've always wanted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5jdX38zG9s

They misspelled the title, but he clearly sings "I cry BAGEL! BAGEL! Look at me now! The walls of my town, they come crumbling down!"

(The dude playing banjo is about THIS CLOSE to just having sex with his instrument right there on stage! He's into it!)

One key to coping with depression is to cultivate a Prax-ian approach to life: Just delight in silliness and find things to laugh about. There's a positive feedback loop. When I'm feeling like myself, I can't help but see the funny side of things (especially my own quirks and foibles). If I can project that back to the world, I find that other people react to me better, which makes me happier, so I'm more outgoing and silly, so people react to that more, so...

Like I had to demonstrate a physical exam today, and I was actually feeling nervous. It's different just doing it versus doing it with someone watching you and checking off a list of 40 things you need to do. But I was still feeling good today, so I didn't go all serious and freaked out. Instead, I had my patient laughing with me (and at me) in the first 30 seconds, and it went incredibly well. I was just...me. The version of me that I think of as true, the one I want to show to the world. I felt great about it, and I relaxed, and the patient was just super sweet to me, and even the instructor was laughing. I thought I would screw up SOMETHING, but he thought I did great and remarked on what excellent rapport I had with my patient. It just...it all went well, and made me feel like being that way the rest of the day. At my best, I think that I can simultaneously take people's concerns very seriously and feel incredible empathy, and make them feel that and know I care, but also be silly and light-hearted and...approachable? And that's something that I do better than many of my colleagues (if I can be really immodest about it), who tend to go into SERIOUS DOCTOR MODE with patients. Or, if they're sillier, they go way too far that way. I guess I think I have really good bedside manner, if I think about it, but I need to overcome my shyness and self-doubt, and all of my second-guessing and brooding and all the stuff depression does to me to reach that point.

I'll stop rambling. It's hard to control but, like bad moods, good moods can absolutely be self-sustaining. The more I can laugh about things, the more I can nudge myself into a positive feedback loop.
I hope you liked it! And were able to read it! Hah! I was getting scared it was lost or damaged in the mail because of how stupid--I mean BEAUTIFUL--the envelope looked! xD

Hahaha..! You are describing a kind of mindset/approach after me?! ajbjgfsh.. I CANNOT HANDLE ALL THIS GUSHING! @__@ sbajsbv.. If it means my name will live on as a positive message for people, then YES! Indulge in the good and silly and woefully absurd in life whenever you can, because we all know there's plenty of times in life when it will be really hard to do so. You indulge in the good in order to buffer and bolster yourself when life gets rough.

Like you say, you don't need to be a jester all the time. You don't need to be 100% wit. But you can accept things for what they are without ascribing something negative to it. (And people can still be a cynical jerk at times too if they want, but there's a time and place for such things--namely it's probably best to be this way when nothing is at stake and the matter is frivolous--I love me some jerkiness!).

Bagels, you are going to turn into a great doctor! Keep impressing all those patients and supervisors!

Fuck it, booking an appointment to see a doc again, no doubt they will prescribe me something. Was on Fluoxetine over a year ago but never felt like it really did anything for me. Lets see how this goes .....
Well, good job on doing so. If it's not working, then at least you can try something that might.


I've been on a downward spiral since last Wednesday. Work-related issues. Cannot really see any reason to continue with my projects now that I am more aware of their application (read: lack thereof).

Why should I be interested in completing my projects if no-one gives a shit about them but me?

If I had another job offer on the table, I would not think twice about handing in my notice.
I think.. continue them anyway and possibly use it as padding for the next job on your resume. At least they are done. And at least you are paid and at least they will look good on your resume as being things you completed?

Well, I'm currently laughing my ass of but mildy afraid I might fall over at any second. I just inhaled six hits of computer duster and am in such a state that I don't care what happens next.

If I wake up tomorrow I'm definitely editing this post. But everything feels right. Odd thing is I didn't even pick the can up for this purpose, my PC legitimately was dusty and needed to be sprayed off and came through amazon on Friday, just found it in my mailbox. I guess you could call it an experiment with no correct outcome.
Is that really poisonous? I really hope not. That can be dangerous and lead to death in some cases.
Please call 911 or poison control and get help if symptoms persist.
And don't do it again.
 
Well, I obviously haven't had a girlfriend either.
As for the opportunities, last year I was in Greece on vacation with a few buddies, and we met some other people there. This girl from the US was obviously super into me, almost to the point of desperation (she wasn't that hot but I still kinda liked her), and about a week later there was a german girl (pretty hot) who seemed willing as well (although it wasn't quite as obvious, a friend later told me that he was 100% sure I'd only have needed to go in for the kiss and could've taken her back to my room practically instantly).
I was a different kind of person because I was on vacation and not back home. I don't think I've ever had a chance to get laid back here.
Even though the girls were willing, I'd have needed to make the first move and I can't do that. Well, I did manage to do it once actually, made out with a slutty (is there any nice way to say that? dunno) girl, that was fun.
Bottom line is, the women don't want me, and when they do, my anxiety cockblocks me anyway.
Well, at least you've had more opportunities than I have. Fingers crossed you can overcome your anxiety. It's not a death sentence, even if sometimes it feels like it.

Good luck, dude.
 
I think.. continue them anyway and possibly use it as padding for the next job on your resume. At least they are done. And at least you are paid and at least they will look good on your resume as being things you completed?
Thanks for the reply, Prax.

Sure I will keep working on my tasks and follow them through to completion, it's just that my productivity has fucking plummeted over the last week. I really struggle to muster the energy to come into the office and write shit. There were days when I'd come in, I would know the answers. I saw the solutions. Now I don't. Then again, maybe it was all a delusion, all this time.

Years ago - leaving college - me and my friends argued what makes a job worthy of dedication. One of the accepted truths was that the job had to have one of the three attributes: challenge, benefit to the society at large and remuneration. Ideally they would each be worth something like 33%. But, if some attribute would not come up to the required percentage, another could have compensated. So for example I worked at a government job that had minimum challenge and remuneration, but a massive boon to the society. Same way I worked for a highly unethical entertainment industry giant - there I experienced moderate remuneration, but very high challenge. At the same time the benefit to society was absolutely negative (imagine -200%).

So now I work a job that just reduced the benefit to society to zero. The remuneration isn't that great either. But at least it has some challenge left. I suppose I will continue the struggle.
 
Cliche but the grass is always greener on the other side. Also as someone from a "third world country" where a lot of the people I know did not have an education nor did they "need" one because they were living on farms and stuff, it's a bit upsetting to see people romanticize it and downplay their issues and problems. Their lives are anything but simple.

I'm sorry if I offended you, Pau. I come from a third world country, too (Guyana) where no one's life is exactly easy . I didn't mean poor country per se, but I was really just looking for a place that doesn't exist on Earth (too many fantasy books lately); somewhere where life is easy and you don't need much to be happy. Stupid as it may sound, sometimes thinking of fictional places when I'm really down helps a bit, even if I can't actually go there. Sorry for rambling and sorry again if you were offended or upset by my post.
 
yeah i know it's way more complicated than my idea of it*, but given how i struggle with the complexities of modern society and the burden of its expectations i can't help but yearn for a simple life like that. i often feel this is because i don't truly take advantage of all of the freedoms and opportunities i have in order to do new things and really explore but then i just can't get myself to do it because i feel so hopeless and get so easily discouraged :(


*largely taken from the idyllic rural settings of many miyazaki movies and i know he's idealistic environmentalist and they are fantasy films.
 
Well, I'm currently laughing my ass of but mildy afraid I might fall over at any second. I just inhaled six hits of computer duster and am in such a state that I don't care what happens next.

If I wake up tomorrow I'm definitely editing this post. But everything feels right. Odd thing is I didn't even pick the can up for this purpose, my PC legitimately was dusty and needed to be sprayed off and came through amazon on Friday, just found it in my mailbox. I guess you could call it an experiment with no correct outcome.

It sounds like this is the first time you've done this, so I don't think there will be any long-term effects; but huffing does not get you high. It literally kills your brain cells, and will lead to long-term permanent effects if you continue doing it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inhalant_abuse#Dangers_and_health_problems
 
Well, at least you've had more opportunities than I have. Fingers crossed you can overcome your anxiety. It's not a death sentence, even if sometimes it feels like it.

Good luck, dude.

Thanks, best of luck to you too.

Not sure if I'm ever going to beat this fucker, since I've apparently got a personality disorder, not just "normal" social anxiety.
Currently, I'm getting paralyzed in even the simplest social situations. I had a formal meeting at university last week (3 people including me), and I was unable to say anything a lot of the time. It wasn't a total disaster, but I'm still extremely disappointed because I've already been better at this.
Oh and in related news, my parents are selfish fucks who want to guilt-trap me. Asking me why I don't call anymore with a sad voice, telling me that this makes them feel bad and the like.
Well guess what? Talking to you and depending on you makes me feel bad because of the passive aggressive bullshit you pull off.
Never again. No gods, no masters.
 
Well now that I've woken up its time to give that health services place a call. Just wanted to thank everyone who replied... it was comforting.

Sad thing is I'm well aware of all of the risks of inhalants, actually did a report on them not too long ago. And the whole experience was made much more unsettling as I was thinking about what exactly was occuring as my developmental psychobiology teacher was discussing the chain of events from inhalants the other day.

I've been hesitant to call because I've thought that my being down was just a result of being a pussy and that I don't deserve the help because I have all someone should want. I have three great friends I live with, two parents that have given me the world and am at a good state school with opportunity out the ass, but the past two weeks now my days alternate between sleeping for 14 hours or just three hours, scavenging up random foods because I'm too lazy to call the bank to issue me another debit card as my last one was lost, and fiending for weed.

I just scared of being told that I'm just being immature and not taking advantage of all the shit I have that others dont I guess. But I'm calling the center now.
 
Well now that I've woken up its time to give that health services place a call. Just wanted to thank everyone who replied... it was comforting.

Sad thing is I'm well aware of all of the risks of inhalants, actually did a report on them not too long ago. And the whole experience was made much more unsettling as I was thinking about what exactly was occuring as my developmental psychobiology teacher was discussing the chain of events from inhalants the other day.

I've been hesitant to call because I've thought that my being down was just a result of being a pussy and that I don't deserve the help because I have all someone should want. I have three great friends I live with, two parents that have given me the world and am at a good state school with opportunity out the ass, but the past two weeks now my days alternate between sleeping for 14 hours or just three hours, scavenging up random foods because I'm too lazy to call the bank to issue me another debit card as my last one was lost, and fiending for weed.

I just scared of being told that I'm just being immature and not taking advantage of all the shit I have that others dont I guess. But I'm calling the center now.

Good. Hope you get better asap so you can start appreciating taking advantage of what you have. You want to want yourself to succeed.

Thanks, best of luck to you too.

Not sure if I'm ever going to beat this fucker, since I've apparently got a personality disorder, not just "normal" social anxiety.
Currently, I'm getting paralyzed in even the simplest social situations. I had a formal meeting at university last week (3 people including me), and I was unable to say anything a lot of the time. It wasn't a total disaster, but I'm still extremely disappointed because I've already been better at this..

You can be smooth one day and a klutz the next. It's just part of being human. One good skill is gauging peoples reaction to you. It should become evident within a minute if they're interested or annoyed or listening to you out of common courtesy or what have you. You get that skill by interacting with them more.
 
You can be smooth one day and a klutz the next. It's just part of being human. One good skill is gauging peoples reaction to you. It should become evident within a minute if they're interested or annoyed or listening to you out of common courtesy or what have you. You get that skill by interacting with them more.

Yeah, the problem is my level fluctuates between klutz and slightly above. I'm never remotely smooth when talking to people who are not in my inner circle. Well sometimes if I'm moderately drunk I guess, but not even getting buzzed is a reliable way.
But you're right about the gaging interest thing, that's an important skill.
I'm very often doubtful if a person is interested or if I'm totally blowing it, TBH. Not sure how to fix this. I have plenty of interaction at university and my part-time job, that's not doing anything for me.

I should probably stop ranting. Ranting is obviously not helping, but after over 3 years of therapy, I'm starting to become seriously frustrated. Fuck not getting laid or not having a girlfriend, those are not pressing problems right now. The actual problem is that my life is drifting in an increasingly worse direction, almost every time I visit the shrink I get a new diagnosis. I started out with social anxiety, got depression added on, then avoidant personality disorder, ADHD, and schizoid personality disorder. Shit's getting ridiculous, I don't even know which of these disorders I actually have.
Yeah. So much for stopping ranting. Fuck.
 
Today is one of those days... better to sleep that do anything stupid now

Same just felt a deep crash now...
I bought some flowering tea earlier today to try and think of myself but now I'm thinking "that was a waste...what's the point?"
Time to brew some sleepy tea......
 
Same just felt a deep crash now...
I bought some flowering tea earlier today to try and think of myself but now I'm thinking "that was a waste...what's the point?"
Time to brew some sleepy tea......

Tea is delicious, though. There's always a point in having tea around. Actually, I'll make myself some right now, too, good idea.
 
Tea is delicious, though. There's always a point in having tea around. Actually, I'll make myself some right now, too, good idea.

I bought 20 dollars worth of flowering tea (which is like 12 of the flowers)...Seems wasteful now that I think about it.
 
I bought 20 dollars worth of flowering tea (which is like 12 of the flowers)...Seems wasteful now that I think about it.

If it makes you feel better, it's worth the money.
If you're unhappy with it, consider your purchases longer next time.

I used to buy unnecessary shit all the time, but by taking a 24h timeout before buying anything that costs more than $10, I cut down on this.
Although I still make exceptions if I'm doing particularly well (as a reward) or particularly bad (to cheer me up). :lol
 
Yeah, the problem is my level fluctuates between klutz and slightly above. I'm never remotely smooth when talking to people who are not in my inner circle. Well sometimes if I'm moderately drunk I guess, but not even getting buzzed is a reliable way.
But you're right about the gaging interest thing, that's an important skill.
I'm very often doubtful if a person is interested or if I'm totally blowing it, TBH. Not sure how to fix this. I have plenty of interaction at university and my part-time job, that's not doing anything for me.

I should probably stop ranting. Ranting is obviously not helping, but after over 3 years of therapy, I'm starting to become seriously frustrated. Fuck not getting laid or not having a girlfriend, those are not pressing problems right now. The actual problem is that my life is drifting in an increasingly worse direction, almost every time I visit the shrink I get a new diagnosis. I started out with social anxiety, got depression added on, then avoidant personality disorder, ADHD, and schizoid personality disorder. Shit's getting ridiculous, I don't even know which of these disorders I actually have.
Yeah. So much for stopping ranting. Fuck.
Fuck this doctors. FUCK 'em all. You are a unique person and not some diagnostic bullshit.
 
If it makes you feel better, it's worth the money.
If you're unhappy with it, consider your purchases longer next time.

I used to buy unnecessary shit all the time, but by taking a 24h timeout before buying anything that costs more than $10, I cut down on this.
Although I still make exceptions if I'm doing particularly well (as a reward) or particularly bad (to cheer me up). :lol

It wasn't unnecessary to me.
I've been thinking about it for ages to buy but never bothered because I felt I wasn't worthy.
It made me feel good to buy myself something for a change instead of other people.

Depression now is just regretting life, not necessarily just the tea.
 
I bought 20 dollars worth of flowering tea (which is like 12 of the flowers)...Seems wasteful now that I think about it.

Tea is one of my guilty pleasures, I know that when I enter a tea store, I'm coming out of it buying too much stuff. Doesn't help a can of tea is easily 30 bucks. But I'm drinking it...at some point... Plus it's a nice thing to offer to potential guests. Not that I had any, but still!
 
Fuck this doctors. FUCK 'em all. You are a unique person and not some diagnostic bullshit.

Thanks. :)
Still, even leaving aside those diagnostics, I feel like shit's gotten worse in the last months.
I'm slowly, but steadily drifting away from any semblance of sanity I had left. I actually feel like I'm going off the deep end.

It wasn't unnecessary to me.
I've been thinking about it for ages to buy but never bothered because I felt I wasn't worthy.
It made me feel good to buy myself something for a change instead of other people.

Depression now is just regretting life, not necessarily just the tea.
Well then, if buying it made you feel good that's good. I suggest you make some tea now.
 
Thanks for the reply, Prax.

Sure I will keep working on my tasks and follow them through to completion, it's just that my productivity has fucking plummeted over the last week. I really struggle to muster the energy to come into the office and write shit. There were days when I'd come in, I would know the answers. I saw the solutions. Now I don't. Then again, maybe it was all a delusion, all this time.

Years ago - leaving college - me and my friends argued what makes a job worthy of dedication. One of the accepted truths was that the job had to have one of the three attributes: challenge, benefit to the society at large and remuneration. Ideally they would each be worth something like 33%. But, if some attribute would not come up to the required percentage, another could have compensated. So for example I worked at a government job that had minimum challenge and remuneration, but a massive boon to the society. Same way I worked for a highly unethical entertainment industry giant - there I experienced moderate remuneration, but very high challenge. At the same time the benefit to society was absolutely negative (imagine -200%).

So now I work a job that just reduced the benefit to society to zero. The remuneration isn't that great either. But at least it has some challenge left. I suppose I will continue the struggle.
No problem. I know the feel of having a job where it just feels like a waste of time and energy for low pay so.. XD But that's retail for ya~!

It's probably not a delusion. You surely had the answers and knew what to do. It's just other realities set in too? Life is complicated, and if you focus too much on the negatives, it can overwhelm all the okay and acceptable parts. Of course,w hen what you do starts going right against your principles, that's a sign that you need find a way to change it or choose a different path.

Is there a way to finish the project and then go onto a better project that has more benefit to society? And you can always think of it as biding your time and building up resources so you can one day do something that will benefit society on your own. I'd like to think that even though I am just a cashier, it's funding my life of being a unstressed person who can do my art and inspire people and do good (because I have low stress lol), so good enough! lol

Yeah, the problem is my level fluctuates between klutz and slightly above. I'm never remotely smooth when talking to people who are not in my inner circle. Well sometimes if I'm moderately drunk I guess, but not even getting buzzed is a reliable way.
But you're right about the gaging interest thing, that's an important skill.
I'm very often doubtful if a person is interested or if I'm totally blowing it, TBH. Not sure how to fix this. I have plenty of interaction at university and my part-time job, that's not doing anything for me.

I should probably stop ranting. Ranting is obviously not helping, but after over 3 years of therapy, I'm starting to become seriously frustrated. Fuck not getting laid or not having a girlfriend, those are not pressing problems right now. The actual problem is that my life is drifting in an increasingly worse direction, almost every time I visit the shrink I get a new diagnosis. I started out with social anxiety, got depression added on, then avoidant personality disorder, ADHD, and schizoid personality disorder. Shit's getting ridiculous, I don't even know which of these disorders I actually have.
Yeah. So much for stopping ranting. Fuck.
Well, you have a circle of friends that you know you are comfortable with, so there's that at least. I think it just shows that you need to build a lot of trust between yourself and others before your anxiety and other barriers don't play such a major role in interactions, but at least you know it's possible!
I also think evaluating the interest of others is difficult, so I try not to think about it too much because it really only comes back as judging myself when I overanalyze. Just talk and be pleasant and mostly polite and take cues from them, I guess. If they joke, you can joke. In they continue the conversation, you continue further. If they disengage and say bye, you say bye. Nothing personal, but a successful interaction.

Also, it sounds to me that you are the type that needs to become trusting friends with a girl before she can become your girlfriend. Of course, I do NOT put too much stock in the whole friendzone phenomenon. There is no such thing. People can grow attraction or they may stay unattracted or not and there's just too many variables when it comes to that. For example, I would NOT say yes to a date with ANYONE that just asks for my number. No way. Never ever. Maybe after we're friends for a while. And I get to know them. And I feel we can hang together, and have good conversation. That fondness and stuff needs to grow.

So I think working on building a general trust or "realization that people try to connect in many different ways and it's not a personal slight or judgment against you" would help you. It sounds like the getting lots of different diagnoses part is from some kind of nebulous overall symptom of anxiety you have? There are a lot of variables, but it sounds like you generally avoid people or try to because it's trust you lack in people's intentions and how you look to them. (I am not a doctor. this is not official diagnoses lol But that's how you come off to me). Focus on the trusting people in general and know that you can build on it because you do have an inner circle of friends and family and it shows that after a while, it can click in for you. You want to expand your psychological definition of "trustworthy people", and it may take a long time, but definitely seems possible in your case!

Today is one of those days... better to sleep that do anything stupid now
Well, if sleep is the best action compared to all the other ones, then yes. A good sleep can help sort our your energies. You can also nap and plan to do something productive right after too.

I bought 20 dollars worth of flowering tea (which is like 12 of the flowers)...Seems wasteful now that I think about it.
Flowering tea is awesome and delicious. You should take some pictures of it!
I have two thermoses of tea by me right now and I will splurge on tea this weekend because dammit, I could deserve some tea, why not.
I try not to think about worthiness when it comes to self-gifting, especially after you realize you have denied yourself for almost no reason. Like who would really care? No one is judging you on the scale except yourself. And if you are your own judge and jury in this case, then indulge in the advantageous situation and grant yourself the reward. This kind of bias is allowed and the enjoyment of one's life is necessary anyway. XD

The depression makes you look back and regret your choices or lifepath, but it's better to just focus on what you have right now. You have tea now. Delicious. Now it's a future with good tea. That's a better focus or view.
 
Well then, if buying it made you feel good that's good. I suggest you make some tea now.

Tea is one of my guilty pleasures, I know that when I enter a tea store, I'm coming out of it buying too much stuff. Doesn't help a can of tea is easily 30 bucks. But I'm drinking it...at some point... Plus it's a nice thing to offer to potential guests. Not that I had any, but still!

Flowering tea is awesome and delicious. You should take some pictures of it!
I have two thermoses of tea by me right now and I will splurge on tea this weekend because dammit, I could deserve some tea, why not.
I try not to think about worthiness when it comes to self-gifting, especially after you realize you have denied yourself for almost no reason. Like who would really care? No one is judging you on the scale except yourself. And if you are your own judge and jury in this case, then indulge in the advantageous situation and grant yourself the reward. This kind of bias is allowed and the enjoyment of one's life is necessary anyway. XD

The depression makes you look back and regret your choices or lifepath, but it's better to just focus on what you have right now. You have tea now. Delicious. Now it's a future with good tea. That's a better focus or view.

Thanks guys, made me feel a tad better about myself, just a little.
Might consider buying a glass tea pot in the future if these flowering teas are my thing.
 
>:(

"EXCEPT FOR BAGELS. HE'S ONE OF THE GOOD ONES!"

Hehhh. No need to take personally people's generalized venting~! xD
People try so hard to be unique and to feel like individuals, so when it comes to suffering, because suffering is so personal, however wronged they feel in regards to it will feel like a personal attack no matter the intentions of those aiding them.

You will be lucky if you don't get some kind of accusation of treating someone as "just another number" or something, I think! XD But maybe you will be just that good!

Thanks guys, made me feel a tad better about myself, just a little.
Might consider buying a glass tea pot in the future if these flowering teas are my thing.
I eat the flowers if I sweeten the tea with honey! Delicious. xD I am pretty sure you're not SUPPOSED to.. but.. fibre! What kind of flowering tea is it?
Glass teapots are pretty cheap. About as much as your tea or less, actually! I got one from Ikea. It does its job.
 
>:(

"EXCEPT FOR BAGELS. HE'S ONE OF THE GOOD ONES!"

The only good one. ;)

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Well, you have a circle of friends that you know you are comfortable with, so there's that at least. I think it just shows that you need to build a lot of trust between yourself and others before your anxiety and other barriers don't play such a major role in interactions, but at least you know it's possible!
I also think evaluating the interest of others is difficult, so I try not to think about it too much because it really only comes back as judging myself when I overanalyze. Just talk and be pleasant and mostly polite and take cues from them, I guess. If they joke, you can joke. In they continue the conversation, you continue further. If they disengage and say bye, you say bye. Nothing personal, but a successful interaction.

Also, it sounds to me that you are the type that needs to become trusting friends with a girl before she can become your girlfriend. Of course, I do NOT put too much stock in the whole friendzone phenomenon. There is no such thing. People can grow attraction or they may stay unattracted or not and there's just too many variables when it comes to that. For example, I would NOT say yes to a date with ANYONE that just asks for my number. No way. Never ever. Maybe after we're friends for a while. And I get to know them. And I feel we can hang together, and have good conversation. That fondness and stuff needs to grow.

So I think working on building a general trust or "realization that people try to connect in many different ways and it's not a personal slight or judgment against you" would help you. It sounds like the getting lots of different diagnoses part is from some kind of nebulous overall symptom of anxiety you have? There are a lot of variables, but it sounds like you generally avoid people or try to because it's trust you lack in people's intentions and how you look to them. (I am not a doctor. this is not official diagnoses lol But that's how you come off to me). Focus on the trusting people in general and know that you can build on it because you do have an inner circle of friends and family and it shows that after a while, it can click in for you. You want to expand your psychological definition of "trustworthy people", and it may take a long time, but definitely seems possible in your case!
Thank you for this. You're right, actually having people who care about me (although, on a certain level I am unable to accept that they are actually my friends - like you said, I lack trust in their intentions) is a big plus, and I am very grateful that I have them. I know what it's like to not have anyone, and I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

As for the girlfriend thing, I also agree somewhat. I know a few people who went the frienship -> relationship route, and it resulted in some excellent relationships. It may very well be the only way for me, I don't think I could even perform with a girl whom I don't trust. Hell, even those few times where I kissed girls, I was pretty drunk. It just wouldn't work otherwise.
But the friendzone does exist, some (many?) girls want it to be perfectly clear from the get-go that the man is romantically interested, otherwise he will be viewed as asexual.
I guess that limits my options very much.
But as I said, girls are not my most pressing concern right now.
#1 is that I may be flat-out losing it, and #2 is that I am kinda screwing up at university and need to get my act together fast. #1 may be related to #2, all the stress is fucking me up even worse.

Oh and I must say, I am quite amazed how well you seem to have analyzed me. Most of the things you said were spot on.

Hehhh. No need to take personally people's generalized venting~! xD
People try so hard to be unique and to feel like individuals, so when it comes to suffering, because suffering is so personal, however wronged they feel in regards to it will feel like a personal attack no matter the intentions of those aiding them.

You will be lucky if you don't get some kind of accusation of treating someone as "just another number" or something, I think! XD But maybe you will be just that good!
Well, in the end, you are your diagnosis. I'm mainly concerned that doctors generally are just as fallible as every other group of people, and they're diagnosing people with some kind of bullshit they may or may not have. see also: ADHD - all the cool kids have it.
Anyway, people like to think they're special snowflakes, but in the end, they can all be divided into a few categories.
Except for me. I am a special snowflake :3
 
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