Oscar Pistorius shoots girlfriend - dead

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JOHANNESBURG — South African police have found a bloodied cricket bat at the home of Oscar Pistorius, a local newspaper reported Sunday, following the Valentine's Day killing of his model girlfriend.

Police sources close to the investigation told the independent City Press newspaper that Steenkamp's skull had been "crushed".

"There was lots of blood on the bat," one source told the paper.

Police are investigating whether the bat was used to assault Steenkamp, who was shot four times in the early hours of Thursday, or if she used it to defend herself.

Police have dismissed initial suggestions that Pistorius, 26, could have mistaken Steenkamp for an intruder, and City Press said she was wearing a nightie at the time of the killing.

"The suspicion is that the first shot, in the bedroom, hit her in the hip. She then ran and hid herself in the toilet... He fire three more shots," a police source told City Press.
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This is just getting bizarre; even though I believe he murdered Steenkamp, this would take it to completely another level. The local paper that is the source seems a bit tabloidy.

Other sources seem to contradict the bat scenario
Security guards and neighbours who rushed to his exclusive home on a security compound outside Pretoria saw Mr Pistorius running down the stairs with the blonde model in his arms, according to a source quoted by the Afrikaans newspaper Beeld.
Miss Steenkamp was still breathing, it said, and Mr Pistorius tried desperately to save her using mouth-to-mouth resuscitation.

"Blood splatters along the route that Pistorius carried her was further proof that her heart was still beating," the paper added.
And a close friend of Mr Pistorius told on Saturday how the athlete called him moments after Miss Steenkamp was shot.

Justin Divaris told the Sunday People: "Oscar called me at 3.55am saying that Reeva had been shot. I said to him, 'What are you talking about? I don't understand you.' He then repeated himself - 'There has been a terrible accident, I shot Reeva.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...va-Steenkamp-on-instinct-his-father-says.html

e: Police spokesperson didn't outright deny the bat being a piece of evidence

A police spokeswoman could not explain how the claims had emerged but did not deny them. "We are not commenting on anything in the newspapers today as the case is still before the court," she said on Sunday. "They are insinuating they got the information from the police."
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The Guardian says the local paper that is being used as the source is in fact well-respected.

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There are also reports that police specifically requested Pistorius’ blood be tested for drugs and steroids, exploring the possibility that he may have experienced “roid rage” – extreme aggression occasioned by large doses of steroids.
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In case anyone was wondering, the South African justice system guarantees the same basic rights for the accused that they'd have in most Western countries. This is from their Bill of Rights:

Section 35: the rights of arrested, detained and accused people, including the right to silence, protection against self-incrimination, the right to counsel and legal aid, the right to a fair trial, the presumption of innocence and the prohibition of double jeopardy and ex post facto crimes.​
 
syllogism said:
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This is just getting bizarre; even though I believe he murdered Steenkamp, this would take it to completely another level. The local paper that is the source seems a bit tabloidy.

Other sources seem to contradict the bat scenario

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...va-Steenkamp-on-instinct-his-father-says.html
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Damn, he's in some serious shit now. It somehow reminds me of the Bertrand Cantat case, in an even more violent fashion.
 
Let's see

Oscar has an argument with his girlfriend, he grabs a cricket bat and hits her with it, she runs into the bathroom and locks there door.

Oscar goes into the next room, grabs one of his guns and shoots through the door, bullet most likely hits girlfriend in the chest and she collapses

Oscar drags her outside and proceeds to shoot her a few times in the head just to make sure she won't talk or take him to the cleaners, destroying his image with it.

Oscar decides to make up a story about a burglar because in South Africa people are being killed in their houses by burglars hoping he would get away with it

Oscar of course didn't know the neighbours head about the argument he was having with his girlfriend a few hours earlier before ending her life

Yep that's how i see it from where am standing. Oscar needs a very good lawyer
 
BertramCooper said:
Stop deifying athletes.
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I already said I don't but think about it.

Lance was a guy who overcame cancer to become 7 time champ in an incredibally difficult sport.

You don't think others with cancer didn't look up to him?

T'eo overcame the lost of loved ones and shit ..typical story but still uplifting.

and this guy was a double amputee that ran in the fucking olympics.

It's not just that they were athletes but they were people that overcame serious shit to get to/near the top.

Them all being POS or frauds is pretty shitty.

Hence my no more heroes...every feel good story is just seemingly fake now. That kinda sucks since that's one of the best parts of sports IMO. Overcoming the odds.

As for this guy, he is screwed.
 
Knux-Future said:
I already said I don't but think about it.

Lance was a guy who overcame cancer to become 7 time champ in an incredibally difficult sport.

You don't think others with cancer didn't look up to him?

T'eo overcame the lost of loved ones and shit ..typical story but still uplifting.

and this guy was a double amputee that ran in the fucking olympics.

It's not just that they were athletes but they were people that overcame serious shit to get to/near the top.

Them all being POS or frauds is pretty shitty.

Hence my no more heroes...every feel good story is just seemingly fake now. That kinda sucks since that's one of the best parts of sports IMO. Overcoming the odds.

As for this guy, he is screwed.
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Don't forget Tiger. He was on top of the world until everybody found out what a disgusting womanizer he is. You could also mention all the baseball legends whose legacies are destroyed thanks to steroids.
 
Well if the evidence of the bat is true.. well, yeah. Also, I haven't heard this addressed, but did she come back home early from a trip or something? Surely if you know someone else is already in the house, you won't go shooting just because you heard a noise..?
 
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2013/02/potential-case-against-oscar-pistorius/62223/

A bloody cricket bat is at the center of a potential case against Oscar Pistorius in the alleged killing of his girlfriend of four months, Reeva Steenkamp. Initial reports said Pistorius claimed he thought Steenkamp was an intruder when he accidentally shot her. There were some initial cracks in that defense, though. The South African City Press reports the bloody bat found at the scene of the crime is the central piece of evidence in the case right now. There are three potential scenarios they're going over:

City Press can reveal that police are investigating different scenarios involving the bat – one of which is that her boyfriend, Olympic hero Oscar Pistorius, used it to viciously assault her.

The police are also investigating two more possibilities: that Steenkamp may have used the bat in self-defence, or that Pistorius used it to break down the toilet door behind which Steenkamp was hiding from him.
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The bat was reportedly found to have "lots of blood" on it, and that Steenkamp's skull was "crushed." Investigators are waiting to hear back from forensic testing to see whose blood is on the bat. Police also reportedly requested Pistorius' blood be tested for potential steroid or other drug use, in anticipation of a potential "roid rage" defense.
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ratcliffja said:
Don't forget Tiger. He was on top of the world until everybody found out what a disgusting womanizer he is. You could also mention all the baseball legends whose legacies are destroyed thanks to steroids.
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pfft. Tiger is playing gold with Obama. He's fine.

http://news.yahoo.com/tiger-woods-joins-vacationing-obama-golf-round-194013813--politics.html

I don't like you including Tiger in the same group. He cheated on his wife numerous times yeah, she got paid for it and he didn't defraud anybody. Simply a personal issue he let get out of control.
 
It's The Sun, but I'm thinking this line of defense will not be wildly successful

His legal team are reported to be claiming he forgot Reeva was staying the night and mistook her for a burglar when he was woken by a noise.
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Phone records are also being checked after South African reports suggested Reeva got a late-night text from South African rugby star Francois Hougaard, a pal of Pistorius’s.

Detectives believe Pistorius may have been angry at the text.
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The sources also claim that they did in fact find steroids in the bathroom.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...rius-house-after-he-shot-Reeva-Steenkamp.html
 
syllogism said:
It's The Sun, but I'm thinking this line of defense will not be wildly successful




The sources also claim that they did in fact find steroids in the bathroom.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...rius-house-after-he-shot-Reeva-Steenkamp.html
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Damn, yet another case of an athlete who roids up without getting caught during competition. I think this problem may be more widespread across sports than anyone could imagine. A ton of trainers have obviously figured out the system
 
perfectchaos007 said:
Damn, yet another case of an athlete who roids up without getting caught during competition. I think this problem may be more widespread across sports than anyone could imagine. A ton of trainers have obviously figured out the system
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The cheaters are about 20 steps ahead of the detection.
Usually only catch the new stuff if they catch the lab that is doing it and they show them how to reverse engineer it and catch it.
 
Damn, dude was juicing and he had the blade advantage and still couldn't cut it. At least he won't be in competition again as if he ever gets out he will be an old man.
 
Big-E said:
It is pretty much confirmed he shot her and the so called defense of the action was a mistaken identity. Even if it was mistaken identity, he would still be rotting in prison.
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Nothing is confirmed until he is found guilty in a court of law. The evidence as reported in the press sounds conclusive but that may not be the whole picture. May being the operative word there. It may turn out he lawfully killed her, an absurd statement in my mind, but by South African law it could be the case. Wait until a verdict has been made before judging Pistorius.
 
if she has blunt force trauma to the head, he is in for a world of hurt.

mandatory life sentence with maybe no- possibility of release. ie you die in jail no matter how long you live.
 
Anyone else find it strange that he lived in a neighbourhood that was so dangerous people need to have weapons, but his defense is predicated on a woman going to this neighbourhood by herself at three-in-the-morning?
 
Dr.Acula said:
Anyone else find it strange that he lived in a neighbourhood that was so dangerous people need to have weapons, but his defense is predicated on a woman going to this neighbourhood by herself at three-in-the-morning?
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The area of Pretoria he lives in is pretty safe from burglary or home invasion. His story has been thin from the beginning, unless he really is paranoid.

BertramCooper said:
Stop deifying athletes.
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Dr.Acula said:
Anyone else find it strange that he lived in a neighbourhood that was so dangerous people need to have weapons, but his defense is predicated on a woman going to this neighbourhood by herself at three-in-the-morning?
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South Africa has a large amount of home invasions/attacks. He lives in a very wealthy private housing estate with armed guards. His neighbourhood was as safe as you get in South Africa.
 
I remember being inspired by him during the Olympics, then lost a lot of respect for him during the controversy where he whined when he lost during the Paralympics.
 
Tim the Wiz said:
The area of Pretoria he lives in is pretty safe from burglary or home invasion. His story has been thin from the beginning, unless he really is paranoid.



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vcassano1 said:
South Africa has a large amount of home invasions/attacks. He lives in a very wealthy private housing estate with armed guards. His neighbourhood was as safe as you get in South Africa.
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Exactly. His defense is based on his neighbourhood being bad when it isn't. I guess I should have thrown "supposedly" in there.
 
perfectchaos007 said:
Damn, yet another case of an athlete who roids up without getting caught during competition. I think this problem may be more widespread across sports than anyone could imagine. A ton of trainers have obviously figured out the system
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They had it figured out back in the days of Carl Lewis and Ben Johnson, so I can only imagine that its just as bad or worse now. Every above par athlete is probably taking something.
 
entrement said:
Guys, roids and PEDs are all over sports. Everyone is doing them.
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I don't think that everyone is doing them.

Do you honestly believe that athletes such as Bradley Wiggins, Ursain Bolt, David Weir and Hannah Cockroft are cheating?

Until we find evidence to prove otherwise I think that saying "Everyone is doing them." is a bit of a shitty thing to say.
 
There are many supplements out there that are not detectable by any test at the time so yes it's possible that many of the top sports stars globally are on them. That is why the Olympic committee hoards blood samples because they know as time goes on they will get new detection technology, so in 20 years news can come out that Bolt/Phelps/Blake were on something and nearly everybody will be surprised.
 
Deaf Spacker said:
I don't think that everyone is doing them.

Do you honestly believe that athletes such as Bradley Wiggins, Ursain Bolt, David Weir and Hannah Cockroft are cheating?

Until we find evidence to prove otherwise I think that saying "Everyone is doing them." is a bit of a shitty thing to say.
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I don't think literally everyone is doing them but i think it's a massive issue. People like to make fun of cycling like it's the only sport with this problem when really it's the only sport that has caught onto the problem. If other sports actually take to that level of testing i think they will see similar issues in the future.
 
AdventureRacing said:
I don't think literally everyone is doing them but i think it's a massive issue. People like to make fun of cycling like it's the only sport with this problem when really it's the only sport that has caught onto the problem. If other sports actually take to that level of testing i think they will see similar issues in the future.
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I'm not saying that it's not an issue, I just took offence at the poster saying that everyone does it. I used to compete in disability sport until I discovered sex, alcohol and various other activities, some of the guys I competed against are now competing at Paralympic level so I know the sacrifices they've had to make in order to get where they are.
 
Deaf Spacker said:
I'm not saying that it's not an issue, I just took offence at the poster saying that everyone does it. I used to compete in disability sport until I discovered sex, alcohol and various other activities, some of the guys I competed against are now competing at Paralympic level so I know the sacrifices they've had to make in order to get where they are.
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Maybe he should have specified but when he says 'everyone is doing them' i don't think he means literally every athlete on the planet in any competition is using PEDs.
 
Deaf Spacker said:
I don't think that everyone is doing them.

Do you honestly believe that athletes such as Bradley Wiggins, Ursain Bolt, David Weir and Hannah Cockroft are cheating?

Until we find evidence to prove otherwise I think that saying "Everyone is doing them." is a bit of a shitty thing to say.
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Most likely less. The cat has been out of the bag ages ago. These bullshit testing methods are a farce for the most part.
 
Deaf Spacker said:
I don't think that everyone is doing them.

Do you honestly believe that athletes such as Bradley Wiggins, Ursain Bolt, David Weir and Hannah Cockroft are cheating?

Until we find evidence to prove otherwise I think that saying "Everyone is doing them." is a bit of a shitty thing to say.
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Because cyclists and sprinters have never doped before!
 
Deaf Spacker said:
So you think that everyone is taking PED but not as often. Do you have any evidence to back that statement up?
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Yeah yeah, everyone's not guilty until proven otherwise. I think your point it's pretty clear, and not really wrong either.

Still, modern doping technologies, ancient and failing tests, increasing economic appeal to succeed and a general culture of chemically-induced physical enhancements are all elements that keep building a case for a general and systematic use of PEDs in professional sports - not a solid case, not one that makes it possible to call all athlete cheats, but one that should encourage skepticism anyway. Skepticism is good for you.
 
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