Why? I don't want to hear other assholes while I'm playing. Why do you want them to be bundled together in the subscription, forcing me to pay for something I could have had for free?
Kotaku Rumor: PS4 out in November, control with your phone/tablet, maybe $429/529
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Why? I don't want to hear other assholes while I'm playing. Why do you want them to be bundled together in the subscription, forcing me to pay for something I could have had for free?
Mystic_Wanderer
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I think it's despicable what MS does with online, and PS+ is what Live should be, but I understand why Sony would do this - like countless others have said, they're leaving millions on the table.
I don't like it, but I understand it. I already subscribe to Plus so hopefully that covers it.
I don't like it, but I understand it. I already subscribe to Plus so hopefully that covers it.
I like the name "Playstation World" and the Smart Phone integration. (I have been waiting patiently for Miiverse/eShop/Nintend Network Iwata promised last year. Glad Sony is also adopting the strategy).
A $429/$529 console is dead on arrival, in my opinion, though. I just can't see mass adoption at that price.
A $429/$529 console is dead on arrival, in my opinion, though. I just can't see mass adoption at that price.
Really? Not that I'm doubting you, but without them, the Sixaxis/DS3 was unusable for me. With them, and the DS3 is my favourite controller.
I got my first set as a free-be on the front of a magazine, then picked up another couple of pairs from eBay for a few bucks. I just can't imagine having used a PS3 for 5-6 years without the trigger add-ons. It's mind boggling.
Zen_Arcade
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Chuck Norris
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Maybe it was $399 and the price increase is due to increasing the RAM to 8GB. Id be happy
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Maybe they do have some sort of paywall for something. No way its focused on free services and stuff. Sony will show all of the great services off that will make you want to use them and with some subscription I guess.
I don't see them announcing the price tomorrow; makes no sense. Announcing now would prevent them from making any adjustments post E3 as well as the run-up to the actual launch when MS announces theirs. The only possible scenario I see it happening is where they somehow already KNOW that they are going to launch higher than MS, and just want to get it out of the way first and control the message, but even then I don't know that makes a lot of sense since MS can just hammer that point when they announce at a lower price.
Party Chat is the only reason I am even semi-okay with Xbox Live charging, and no party chat on PS3 is the only reason I'm not PS+. 99% of the time when I am on my 360 I am in the party chat, and the PS3 not having added that when MS did means pretty much zero of my friends play anything on their PS3 outside of exclusives. It's a big deal for a lot of people.
Party Chat is the only reason I am even semi-okay with Xbox Live charging, and no party chat on PS3 is the only reason I'm not PS+. 99% of the time when I am on my 360 I am in the party chat, and the PS3 not having added that when MS did means pretty much zero of my friends play anything on their PS3 outside of exclusives. It's a big deal for a lot of people.
SolidsnackooFoxhound
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Fuck, this rumor of charging for online service just took my hype down. Please don't be true, or at least not like how Xbox Live handles it.
It's from Shitaku. I don't know why anybody would allow a rumor from a shitty website to bring their hype down any.
I keep thinking about how ridiculous a 500$ dollar console would be but then again, look at phones and tablets. Those things around 500-800$ I understand that the technology is different in those things but people are still buying those things hand over fist. I hope it's not that much though.
AZ Greg
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I know most of GAF is anti-social, but some of us like to talk to our teams/co-op partner(s) in team based multiplayer/co-op games.
Don't you think they stand to gain perhaps millions elsewhere with added consumers as they recognize the added benefit a system that doesn't require an online subscription for most online services versus their competitors?
Now only Nintendo doesn't require payments? I mean, this is really unfortunate for consumers... because how much longer will Nintendo hold out, then? Will next-gen be the end of non-paying online models?
Rhazer Fusion
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I keep saying why would Sony give free online again when Microsoft is charging? This is most likely factual. Surely online passes will show up again also. Welcome to next generation. This is only the beginning.
He's reliable.
Neuromancer
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The rumor in the OP is that they're not...
Wishmaster92
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Maybe it was $399 and the price increase is due to increasing the RAM to 8GB. Id be happy
ohhhh ohhhh. Don't joke about this!!
SneakyStephan
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Well since you're so reliable it must be true.
Yeah, me either. I dip in and out of online games. Sure, chat is suited for team / co-op games, but not suited to everything.
If you thought the console was ever going to be anywhere under $400 at launch, then you're crazy.
Unless it launches in two weeks. Believe!!
It looks pretty much like a Dualshock with some basic modifications, I don't see what would be different about controlling most games... unless you just don't like dual shocks?
He's well connected to the industry. He isn't just talking nonsense.
I say we flip a coin.
Snowden's Secret
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The brand is tarnished, no doubt. I'm not picking a fight, I'm just saying don't bother deconstructing the bigger picture when you're going to get crucified for the details regardless.
Chuck Norris
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Honestly $399 and $499 don't have the sticker shock value they had five years ago. We are all used to tablet and phone pricing now
zomgbbqftw
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As reliable as special sauce?
Neuromancer
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Why not tomorrow night? Like the Saturn!
The Vita doesn't require payment to play online.
UberTag
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Console price is definitely not being announced tomorrow. Even the Kotaku rumor clearly states that won't be happening.
Not sure why Kevin Dent thinks otherwise but that clearly wouldn't make fundamental sense.
Tiered PlayStation World service pricing, however... that could definitely be announced tomorrow.
Projectjustice
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I cant wait till tomorrow. Lots of meltdowns are going to happen around here, im gonna have the popcorn ready.
I believe in Kevin Dent
If I'm going in on one of these expensive new systems, I want the full feature set, so I'm paying for one (or both, goddamnit) of these subs. And Sony knows that. They can make online play as free as they'd like, but anything worth a damn will be behind that paywall anyway, so what does it matter?
polyh3dron
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God dammit so this is the end of Playstation Plus then.
I 'spose you're right.
We'll see with PS4. I always liked PlayStation systems, and I believe it's healthy for the industry for a productive Sony. But I also recognize that unless things change with an extremely aggressive strategy for PS4, they might not be around for such a benefit in the future....
7th said:
Well that's a handheld, same as 3DS. Wasn't really considering them in my assessment, but the same would hold true... inevitably, if PS4's model is successful (say they have pay-for-online) and Microsoft's is, will Sony hold out for their next handheld (if it ever comes)? Will Nintendo?
This is what I was thinking.
So now everyone will have to pay for a service that really should be free? Bleh.
I'm trying to remain positive here ok
Yeah, I kinda feel that way too. Less than my iPad but with a longer lifespan? Sold.
I loves me some Playstation, but, there'll never be another PS2. We'll see where they go from here. I suspect they'll drop out of the hardware game and provide 'services', given a long enough timeline.
Well it's the one big advantage they have over XBL. Good advertising point. Unfortunately it didn't help them win this gen, so they might give that up.
Yes, but why do you want me to be forced to pay for something I'll just turn off, when it makes no difference to you either way?
Because it is entirely plausible, even likely. I don't want to believe it though, because they were handling PlayStation Plus beautifully. For them to change mindset completely from rewarding consumers for their loyalty to locking core system features for money is just a horrible nightmare for me.
I am crazy then
If they improved PSN I would not mind. I didn't mind paying Live for 2 years which is a superior servirce.
Four_Chamber
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As it has been with all rumors...when information is not to one's liking, argue that the rumor is not credible. When the information is what you want it to be, welcome it with open arms. The response to news/rumors is incredibly entertaining.
Puppet Shadow
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Although I agree with you in principle (I don't use Gold or Plus) isn't it like buying a Starbucks coffee once a month as far as costs go?
Aw, don't do this man. You may hate the site that's reporting it, but they're not the source.
Neuromancer
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Or maybe its just the beginning
sublimit
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I just hope they at least confirm that online play will be free tomorrow.
But yeah people seem to forget that Kotaku's last big rumour (FF Versus) proved to be fake.
PuppetMaster
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Was just about to write a reply to some points. Then I saw the poster's name, lol'ed and moved on.
Seriously.