Ol No Bones
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Ok seriously people. This fast ram is awesome but is not the end all be all of hardware. This is like the cell being hyped like crazy. I think it's great but damn.
Can MS change their ram to GDDR5 or is it too late at this point?
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You're right. It's nice that the PS4 gets to feed that fast ram with a better gpu.
LyleLanley
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This thread has gone crazy.
That's what you meant right?
Wasn't it always slow compared to GDDR5? Why else would GDDR5 have been developed?
MWS Natural
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So all MS has to do is double the eDRAM.
Oh that's right. I always forget this console won't have the bandwidth restriction a PC would have since the CPU will have direct access to the data as well.
Liquid_Bike
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Playstation fans are going nuts right now. There's too much hyperbole going around. I have to hand it to Sony they have really nailed there PR this time around.
Don't confuse eSRAM with eDRAM
LyleLanley
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Is any of this really going to make as gigantic of a difference in real life as people are making it seem to be in this thread?
Nope. That's what makes people losing themselves over seeing one number bigger than another so great.
Liquid_Bike
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Honestly, not really but let them have their moment in the sun.
Don't get me wrong I am a big Sony fan too but its not the be all end all. MS will put out something that performs very close. The PC will catch up very quickly if its not already on par.
dragonbane
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Yeah. Sony and third parties showed like 8 games, 5 of which are new. Other stuff was focused on gaming as well. The entire second hour was basically only games and concepts for games. Microsoft will have a hard time matching that or maybe not, since they are probably not even bothering.
Ol No Bones
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Better than what?
TheGreyHulk
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I don't think the diff ram will be a HUGE factor. They still have the edram as a frame buffer. Devs will probably just have to work differently with the edram + ddr3 combo and should achieve similar results on the 720 provided it's gpu is just as capable. Maybe they'll be forced to use lower Los settings or less AA..who knows.
I'd be more concerned about the gpu differences than the memory type to be honest.
I'd be more concerned about the gpu differences than the memory type to be honest.
To be completely honest/logical... no.
If durango's specs are correct and it only has 12CUs then yes there will be quite a large graphical difference even with multiplats. I've stated this before but it's pointless have more CU's if you don't have the bandwidth to feed them. In the same way it's pointless to have more bandwidth if it's not feeding anything and just consuming more power. So it appears ms has acknowledged that and gone for a less render focussed machine meaning it will have less graphical processing capability.
I'm not sure exactly how much total computing power the durango is pushing but from the outside it clearly appears that there is quite a bit of bandwidth either being dedicated elsewhere or left unused. I mention this since there definitely appears to be over enough bandwidth to supply those 12 CUs.
In summary the PS4 seems to have quite a substantial edge, i would never use the term gigantic, in terms of graphics and physics processing. Is that edge enough to convince the average consumer, or even many of the individuals who call themselves gamers? I don't think so. Eyes are blinded by fickle hearts.
Once again this is logical conclusion based purely on the current leaks which are of course subject to change
Depends. Did you think the gap between PS3 v. X360 was noticeable? Both in multiplatform titles running better on X360 in general and with Sony's first party titles being the technical leaders of the generation.
As of now it looks like the gaps on both fronts are only going to widen, but both in favor of Sony. Multiplats will run better on it and Sony's first parties will have a bigger advantage over everyone else than they had on PS3 (after unlocking that fickle mistress).
gundamkyoukai
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Not really the difference not going to be that big .
The only people MS might lose is mutli consoles owners who looking for the best version on console ( this is not counting stuff like live etc etc )
les papillons sexuels
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I wouldn't be surprised if the next xbox will have 4gigs of ddr3...
And 1GB of DDR3 for games. Time to go full WiiU now.
LyleLanley
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It's going to have 512 MB of ddr2.
LyleLanley
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User upgradeable to 64 mb.
blame space
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haha RANDOM access? who are these people trying to fool?
BuggyDClown
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I'm not going to even act like Im good at video games. My ability to switch between control schemes is awful. Forget controllers all together, but the thing I really dislike is the location of the thumbsticks, and how loose they are. Even if they tighten them up, I just don't find them to be all that comfortable. :/
I guess you don't remember E3 2005 when Sony showed the PS3 with 2 hdmi ports & 3 ethernet ports. Telling us the PS3 would dual display 1080p @ 120fps. Well they lied.
Just saying....
nhlducks35
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A Human Becoming
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GAF's obsession with this RAM is getting ridiculous.
And that's it.
Wind's Howling
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That is lying to the customer about ports and that is something that always happens. Sony lying to developers about the 8GB GDDR5 when they actually have 4GB? That is never going to happen, not when the PS4 is supposed to be released in 8 months from now.
Production has basically started a few weeks/months ago.
Calavera520
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no connection whatsoever. you're referring to external ports not internal architecture. They've changed the number of ports a few times in the life of the machine but did they ever change the internal architecture of the PS3 itself --beyond removing backward compatibility?
the controller also changed, do you consider that lie too?
If rumored xbox specs are correct, won't this mean that the PS4 multiplatform games would in most cases be assured not to be inferior tech-wise?
The Spoony Hou
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The real question is, why should MS care? And it's not like the most powerful console is the one that sells best anyway.
I was actually looking at the official xbox 720 specs in my dreams and it was just two xbox 360s duck taped together.
But anyways we don't actually know anything about the nextbox. Maybe the new system is super weak, idk, but I rather wait til the official Mountain Dew and Doritos sponsored reveal before I make a judgement call.
But anyways we don't actually know anything about the nextbox. Maybe the new system is super weak, idk, but I rather wait til the official Mountain Dew and Doritos sponsored reveal before I make a judgement call.
Pretty much this. Devs will be able to do almost everything the PS4 can by taking a different approach. Ergo, the comments about devs having an easier time leveraging PS4's power.
Pertaining to GPU, I would not worry about too much given XB3 may be selected as the baseline for performance. And given it will be nowhere near as complicated to program for like PS3, multiplatforms would run just fine on both consoles.
Projectjustice
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I think we need more ram threads. Its such a brilliant and new technology.
AgentP
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Is that like an ATM machine? RAM has always been a bottleneck, either size or bandwidth.
Considering dev kits are basically pcs and I'm sure there have been several different iterations of the dev kits themselves I do not see any reason why they couldn't. It's entirely possible they had dev kits with ddr3 and a different dev kit with gddr5.
Now my personal opinion still holds that MS does not care about competing on a technical level anymore. They hit a home run with Kinect and are banking on that transitioning into this gen. It makes me sad to think about it.
Now my personal opinion still holds that MS does not care about competing on a technical level anymore. They hit a home run with Kinect and are banking on that transitioning into this gen. It makes me sad to think about it.
BibiMaghoo
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I have 8 GB of DDR3 in my PC. I have 2gb DDR3 on my grapho card.
My PC destroys current consoles. I don't think MS will have a problem with 8GB plus wizard giz / special sauce.
It's great that Sony have pushed the boat out, but MS will still have a powerful console. If the rumours are true, it will still put a 360 to shame.
My PC destroys current consoles. I don't think MS will have a problem with 8GB plus wizard giz / special sauce.
It's great that Sony have pushed the boat out, but MS will still have a powerful console. If the rumours are true, it will still put a 360 to shame.
Baconsammy
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It's the Cell Processor of 2013. Cell is totally going to be the future.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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At least we have out of order processors this gen.
Baconsammy
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What?