bkilian proposed a reason on b3d: they dont want component vendors to use it as leverage against them before deals are finalized. apparently they got burned by this in the past. If they leave everything generic I guess they can at least have the illusion of flexibility
VGLeaks rumor: Durango CPU Overview
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bkilian proposed a reason on b3d: they dont want component vendors to use it as leverage against them before deals are finalized. apparently they got burned by this in the past. If they leave everything generic I guess they can at least have the illusion of flexibility
JohnnySasaki86
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Yea thats what I figured(a MS thing). Its also really annoying that vgleaks would say its not 1yr old, but not tell us how old it is. As in its not 1yr old, but it may be 10-11 months? Asshats man...
THE:MILKMAN
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Someone asked that very question. They haven't replied yet.
Maybe when Microsoft reveal it and something is different, VGleaks will tell us then? I thought VGleaks was just a couple of guy's with some docs that they planned to release and then disappear.
Looks like they are now aiming to be a semi-serious leak site.
ScepticMatt
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I'm still waiting for that 'better than 1 TFLOPs' wizzard jizz according to insiders.
phosphor112
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it's already better than 1TFLOP, no?
I dont know exactly how current that info is (as in newer documents may or may not have been released). But there's been no contradiction what so ever on eSRAM.
I mean I agree with his opinion that eSRAM seems like an incredibly odd choice and seems like a waste of transistors if its simply to be used to store render targets. But as of now the only info we have is that the 32MB embedded memory on the GPU is SRAM.
I agree with your reasoning, I've thought the same since I first heard about the GPU. You might be right, but its still just speculation ATM.
They replied:
Rhodington vgleakscom • 5 hours ago −
Well then, 10 month old? In other words, how old is the info and can we expect/not expect changes? How old the info is is detrimental to it's purported accuracy.
vgleakscom Mod Rhodington • 6 minutes ago −
2013
Anyone think that changes anything...?
Lasthope106
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Off-topic - The guy in the picture made no progress whatsoever in life. He aged at least 50 years and he still using the same computer. He must really love Windows XP and swear by m&k. I mean surely, by the time in the 2nd pic, the Xbox 9000+ with total immersion tech has been providing future video game players with the original vision for kinect. Not to mention PS14 with 8 TB of super fast GDDR10.
One reason I wouldn't expect too much to change -- if this is simply a rewording of informational material for developers -- is the level of detail provided here. You wouldn't go into such detail when you are still nailing down the specs. The other reason is the amount of time it takes to ceate a complex SoC/APU. Clock frequencies and memory size are the only things you can change in the (relatively) short term.
In case my previous post was overly subtle (apologies if not), VGLeaks just confirmed via comments that their information is from 2013, ie. current.
I'm not sure where that leaves them time-wise for alteration/improvement in spec, but they seem to be cutting it close if this is accurate and they actually intend to change anything.
I'm not sure where that leaves them time-wise for alteration/improvement in spec, but they seem to be cutting it close if this is accurate and they actually intend to change anything.
Either Microsoft is very confident in their specs, or they're keeping any changes internal.
Or they are simply satisfied with them...
The specs enable Microsoft to enact their strategy, to put it more bluntly.
To be fair even if it was a year old, wouldn't VGleaks just deny it though?
the CPU changed also.
JohnnySasaki86
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Lol, but PS14 better be at least 100tflops! Edit: nvm read ur ps4 specs wrong, yea it should have 8tb of bandwidth
As far as VGLeaks reply, it being a pretty recent doc does change a lot of things. Can someone plz summarize why people are descrediting there post about Durangos CPU? They were right about pretty much everything regarding PS4, except the 14+4 thing.
Gemüsepizza
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I don't think anyone responsible for the new Xbox is "confident". They already made a big mistake by using DDR3, and they know it. It is inferior to the new 4Gb GDDR5 modules while not being much cheaper and sacrificing a considerable amount of space on the APU die for their eSRAM. With such a power difference between those two consoles, they will have a hard time winning core gamers, and the casual market is extremely risky/volatile. I doubt anyone is sleeping well at Microsoft right now.
Probably. I'm not commenting on the veracity of their statement though, just posting it.
THE:MILKMAN
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Sorry about the delay, had to take a much needed shower...
Anyway....this is interesting. Now they are on record with how up to date their info is the upcoming MS reveal will tell us once and for all if VGleaks are truly legit. I currently think they are, but with some annoying practices!
I'm pretty sure one of the things that MS is going to push is "green". Doesn't mean a lot to the hard core gamer, but it means a LOT to the average consumer. And remember, the next X-Box is going to be pushed as a multimedia alternative.
Not just a game console. The specs will be decent, but not mind bending
Not just a game console. The specs will be decent, but not mind bending
Nice of them to put the stake in the ground.
somuchwater
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Gemüsepizza;48547302 said:
First, it's likely MS made the 8GB DDR3 decision ages ago, and that Sony made the switch from 4 to 8 GDDR5 recently b/c they only just learned they could manage to do it w/out too much cost/heat.
Secondly, when it all shakes out, the idea that there's going to be some huuuuge difference in capability between the PS4 and 720 just isn't very likely.
Thirdly, the idea that MS is going after casual gamers - rather than simply a general audience - just doesn't add up at all. It's not Wii owners they want, it's everyone with a cable box, or an Apple TV, or who has a Netflix subscription.
Based on what? Based on your definition of huge, there is significant difference between rumored specs of both consoles.
somuchwater
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Well, when I say huge, I mean that the PS4 could run the UE4 demo we saw at the meeting and that the 720 couldn't. I'm not saying there won't be a difference. But do you really believe there'll be a massive difference, noticeable by, say, the mainstream tech press, between the PS4 and 720 versions of Battlefield 4?
Ironchef3500
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Looks like a pretty decent gpu deference, based on rumours of course. With the ps4's on paper more powerful gpu chow can we not have a discrepancy
JohnnySasaki86
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Gemüsepizza;48547302 said:
Based on the stragey of their business model they don't care. There not focusing just on the core gamer anymore, their part of it, but it's not the main focus. Sony is. I think this is a great situation. There both differentiating themselves, which is better for everyone. We now get two different experiences. MS is clearly trying to tap into some of the success that Nintendio had with the Wii, while learning from there mistakes. They want it to be a entertainment machine that appeals to everyone. If i was a betting man, i would bet MS will sell more consoles than Sony next gen, while PS4 will be the "winner" as far as core gamers are concerned. Can't wait to see how it pans out.
edit: My prediction may change based on what MS does with used games.
Pretty sure, you could tone down the demo so that even the Wii U can run it
Eh, the mainstream press failed to see the difference between Shadowfall and current gen games. Not really a useful metric to compare specs.
Because the PS4 GPU being 50% faster doesn't make as much difference as you might think.
somuchwater
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Pretty sure, you could tone down the demo so that even the Wii U can run it
Eh, the mainstream press failed to see the difference between Shadowfall and current gen games. Not really a useful metric to compare specs.
Heh. Fair enough. But I guess we're using different metrics. I'm talking about the kind of gap that enables specific titles or experiences on one platform, but not on the other.
I'm not a tech person, but I don't think that anything we've seen so far suggests that someone like Ubisoft or EA are going to come out and say, look we have this awesome new AAA game, but it's only possible on the PS4, sorry Xbox owners.
I'm sure there will be some discrepancy but the question is how much. Enough to significantly change a game? I doubt it. There have been pretty significant differences every generation (including this one) and it hasn't seemed to matter much in the end. As long as both consoles are a big leap over the current gen I will be content. I say content and not happy because I miss the days of exotic heavily-subsidized powerful hardware but oh well. Thanks Nintendo.
SquiddyCracker
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This is a standard Jaguar, and the PS4 one is rumoured to be suped up (only by 10% though, from 1.8Ghz to 2.0Ghz).
The PS4 is in every aspect a more powerful console than the Django the ways the rumours stand right now.
JohnnySasaki86
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Its not just faster. In fact with regards to clockspeed their the same. It has twice the ROP's, more TMU's for texturing(16 or 20 more? 56vs72?), and 6 more compute units.
ScepticMatt
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I know, but they talked about it possibly being better than an additional TFLOP (cannot find the source, but it was on neogaf)
That's some double counting... the texture units are part of the CU
Codeblew
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So "Green" is marketing speak for under powered?
Not turning a blind eye != wishing for a difference.
But it's not just a 50% faster GPU.
what about
- faster Ram with more available for games
- more CPU cores available for games?
- coding to the metal.
if that's the way things are when the final hardware is released PS4 should have a big advantage & it should be noticeable a lot more noticeable than PS3 vs Xbox 360.
XtremeXpider
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I think the vgleaks specs are real, but I don't know what this mean:
"New products?"
"New products?"
I think the vgleaks specs are real, but I don't know what this mean:
"New products?"
I wouldn't use that as an indicator of anything.
XtremeXpider
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I don't mean something Durango related, just the "new products" thing, it is interesting.
les papillons sexuels
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Pretty sure, you could tone down the demo so that even the Wii U can run it
Eh, the mainstream press failed to see the difference between Shadowfall and current gen games. Not really a useful metric to compare specs.
I disagree, the mainstream press isn't bought by the hype that people are selling to try and overstate the accomplishment of shadowfall. It's not much of an improvement.
DonasaurusRex
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lol everytime a new console is in the works, these kind of statements lol i dont even know if GCN2 has been tapped out...or if amd even calls it that lol wtf. This is still a custom solution here guys relax on specially powered ESWTFDRAMBBQ consoles that will be above and beyond everything for the next 10 years. They will be obsolete months after they release. People shouldnt compare the jaguar with any chip available today , for one sony has their IP in teh chip and two if someone writes a program for the PS4 it will work the same way on all PS4's. What they dont have in hardware consoles will gain in software optimization, it makes a huge difference.
oldergamer
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I think the vgleaks specs are real, but I don't know what this mean:
"New products?"
Or how about why would a "PowerPC embedded processor platform lead" be hired to work on a X86 AMD chip?