PlayStation Vita Sales See Massive Spike in Japan (nearly six times increase)
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Ah, at least that's what I believe. It is getting sold out here and there in Hong Kong, and my friend from Japan said he see a lot of people buying vita for this game. There are always quite a few people checking out demo kiosks (I guess Sony set up quite a number of kiosk to promote the game).
michaelius
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It would have to sell less than 4 milions annualy for next 4 years to not reach 20 milions...
metalslimer
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Vita is going to be down YoY everywhere except Japan this year, so I don't know why you would expect anywhere near 4 million this year.In fact, if you take away the launch shipments, Vita has sold only around 1.5-1.7 million outside of launch. And now with the 35k sold in January, at the current track it won't even sell 500k in the US by the time the holidays hit.
Edit: Muramasa's shipment probably isn't anywhere over 20k.
You should consider that Vita is getting a price drop and a new model later this year worldwide. Also more games will be announced for the system in the near future, they're planning a relaunch and the japanese price cut is just the first step to improve sales.
I don't how how much these things will be effective but the baseline will be definetly lifted up from what we're seeing now in January/February.
Boss Man
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I'd like to own a Vita just because I think it's a neat device, but I get the feeling that Sony's idea of handheld content is quite different from my own. Really, I think my handheld gaming preferences are odd in any case. I'd rather play RTS games or an MMO on a handheld than stuff like Soul Sacrifice. For me it's either bite-sized stuff like Patapon or soul-sucking things like an MMO or RTS. For everything else I feel like it should be on my TV.
It should.
Its not the type of game you finish quickly and sell or one you can simply lend to friends so they can have their fill. Its the sort of game that you can put countless hours into and if your friend wants to play with you then he has to get his own copy.
metalslimer
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Based on? This sounds like the idea people seem to have that their are 3rd parties holding games back for Wii U when the truth is more likely that lineup is just that dismal. Even if the baseline is improved, 4 million a year is a pipedream.
A lack of monstrous cynicism
Not to mention the recent interview with the 3 Sony people. And obvious titles like GR2.
First off, I would be surprised but not too surprised Sony has some more games that have been in the works for a while, but I don't see what Sony annoucing Gravity Rush 2 is going to do for the platform so I assumed he was talking about 3rd party games. Secondly, cynicism is what I have towards Wii U right now considering it's only been out 4 months. Vita's been out for over a year now.
A lack of monstrous cynicism
Not to mention the recent interview with the 3 Sony people. And obvious titles like GR2.
Ah I thought you were expecting no more games. I wouldn't even assume it was just Sony games either because how many could they really pump out for the vita, they did say "looks like an empty closet" to something like it will be more full, so I imagine a few things although of course it could be rubbish but it's not unexpected that Sony will try.
Vita has a relatively large catalogue for an early system that had a steep entry requirement which is going down now so new purchasers won't be starved, hopefully the price drop has helped make it more accessible...otherwise I wouldn't expect much change until the next round of game/ads/price drop trio.
I think as the population becomes more and more broke (especially gamers) the period of wanting something before you get bored of it is stretched out. It has to, you can't afford everything. I'm sure a lot of gamers have had it on their mind for a while and it still has the potential to recover despite the appearance of a lack of interest in the past.
Based on what they have already stated multiple times. They said they have been working with both first parties and third parties to bring more Vita titles to the market, that they will announce more games in the near future and this year they'll adopt an aggressive strategy with Vita.
We'll see how things unfold but they are giving the impression that they have at least a few cards to play. I don't think that the Vita will ever be a smashing hit with sales numbers but if they work well the system could find its own niche and they can hope to bring that 35k current baseline to something like 90k-100k in the future.
Father_Brain
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Given the failure of Western IP as massively popular as AC/COD to move hardware even during the holidays with discounted bundles, and the dearth of exclusive support from the major Japanese third parties (really, dearth of announced support in general beyond Namco Bandai and Tecmo Koei), what could plausibly be announced at this point that would have that kind of impact?
Why are you are posting a positive and logic thought for Vita?Do you want the 90% of GAF to curse you or something?
Exterminieren
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If they have cards to play, why are they not being played?
After the SS/ Tales boost, the lack of true, exclusive, high-impact Vita software on the horizon is cavernous. If they have a library of Vita saviours waiting in the wings, now might be the time to show them off.
The argument could very easily be made that, in the long run, positivity for Vita's future isn't logical at the moment.
By all means, keep up the persecution complex though. I'm sure people will stop being mean to poor defenseless Vita soon.
It has been discussed to other threads as well.People dont lose a chance for attacking Vita.Even in this thread that is a positive thread since Vita sales in Japan rose up there is someone who will say ''tch this is nothing,Vita sells like shit worldwide the system is doom and destined to fail''in a more manner way though.
I mean we all know Vita is selling bad and is extreme difficult to save the situation right now but i mean come on....let's give that poor thing a break.
Exterminieren
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This is a sales thread. In the context of a sales thread, and the wider context that these figures are placed in, I'd be hesitant to say that Vita deserves a break.
I fail to see why the reality of the situation should be ignored so... well, what, Vita's feelings don't get hurt?
Father_Brain
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Vita is not a person. It does not have any feelings that can be hurt.
This is not a sales thread.If you want to talk in a sales thread there is the Media Create thread but maybe you should go somewhere Vita is selling worst like NPD.This is thread about the rise of Vita sales in Japan and people are speculating that since this is good news for Vita maybe there will be more support.
Who said anything about ignoring the reality?We all know the situation Vita is in.
electroplankton
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So no analysis on this news, but only celebration for the not-so-hot figures?
This is a sales thread. Sales are discussed and are the main topic here.
Exterminieren
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You did, apparently.
You didn't read anything of what i wrote did you?Where exactly did i wrote to not analyse the news?What i wrote is that some people in this thread are talking about the worldwide sales of Vita and especially in US.Do you see any connection with the thread titles?
Take a look at the title of the thread '' PlayStation Vita Sales See Massive Spike in Japan (nearly six times increase) Reply to Thread''
It does not say ''Media Create'' thread or ''NPD'' or ''Worldwide analysis'' or ''stealth doom thread''
The logic says that since this is a good news thread we will talk about how this will affect the system in Japan,it's games and it's future.
What the.....?Where?Find my post.I will help you since i started posting from the previous page.
I think i touched a nerve right?
All topics in this forum about Vita have, mostly, two types of characters talking:
* Vita users who are very happy with their console and struggling not because of the lack of games, but because their memory cards are expensive and not enough to add more games on it.
* Users without a Vita and, for some reason (hate against Sony or fanaticism for Nintendo or Microsoft), don't lose any opportunity to try to convince those who have not purchased the console that is a bad investment.
You know what? If you are not interested in the Vita... stop comment BS about it and go play on your precious consoles!
* Vita users who are very happy with their console and struggling not because of the lack of games, but because their memory cards are expensive and not enough to add more games on it.
* Users without a Vita and, for some reason (hate against Sony or fanaticism for Nintendo or Microsoft), don't lose any opportunity to try to convince those who have not purchased the console that is a bad investment.
You know what? If you are not interested in the Vita... stop comment BS about it and go play on your precious consoles!
Dick Justice
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Certainly the 3DS has an install base advantage when it comes to games that are already huge franchises or based on highly popular anime, but I'm not convinced that the 3DS has been that strong when it comes to new, unestablished IP. When systems move due to some massive first party game promotion, I doubt it's much benefit to smaller third parties that can't afford similar marketing.
Exterminieren
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Please don't take this the wrong way, but is English your first language?
Because from where I'm sitting, denying that the "PlayStation Vita Sales See Massive Spike in Japan" thread is a thread about sales is ignoring reality.
What you want is not discussion. What you want is for everyone to ignore the evidence and to attempt to delude themselves that the Vita is in a healthy position.
There are many Vita owners who recognize this. Where do they fit in your categories?
Please don't take this the wrong way but how old are you?Younger people are impatience,reading fast and jumping to conclusions.If you want me to answer you properly than take a look at my previous posts.
Father_Brain
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Not trying to be rude, but I've been puzzling over this for a few minutes and honestly can't figure out what it has to do with the post to which you're ostensibly replying.
Exterminieren
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I'm good thanks.
An explanation of why sales talk is not relevant in this thread is all I ask.
I'm responding to your point about major Japanese third parties and I decided to ignore your whole bit about the west because this is supposed to be a topic about Japan and the software situation. Not to be rude.
This about Vita's sales in Japan. It is a sales thread. Saying otherwise is silly.
No you aren't, you replied to him about the 3DS and not the Vita, when he wasn't even remotely speaking of the 3DS. The person he was replying to did not talk about the 3DS, but the Vita.
To answer your reply, I can name 2 that did really well, Fantasy Life and Bravely Default: Flying Fairy. Yet this has nothing to do with what Father_Brain was talking about.
Is Fantasy Life really considered to be a third party game? Brain was talking about naming games that would sell massive numbers of systems and I responded by saying that it was obvious that games that would obviously sell in large numbers (e.g. existing huge franchises and games based on huge IP) are probably already a lock for the 3DS (or maybe PS3 if they have ideas that can't be executed on a 3DS). Sorry that I consider the relevance so obvious that I didn't think it needed to be spelled out.
grimshawish
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Reggie wants to know what the fuck is wrong with you.
Exterminieren
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Why wouldn't it be? It was developed by Level 5.
It was co-developed by Brownie Brown. Also, Level 5 has not really shown much in the way of the ability to design compelling RPGs without substantial help/direction, so the idea that they developed most of it on their own is suspect.
As i said this thread is for this week Vita sales with the price-cut.If it is a sales thread like Mediacreate it should have more data like LTD or the same number this time last year.This is what a sales thread is about.This thread is a report for this week numbers.We will not using this thread for Vita sales like 7 weeks after.
When i said ''this is not a sales thread''i was talking metaphorically.I hope you know that means.If you didnt understand in the first place its not my problem.
Father_Brain
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So, keeping 3DS and the West out of the discussion for the moment, are you agreeing or disagreeing with my point that no plausible software announcements could be made at this point that would drive hardware sales to a significant degree?
grimshawish
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Sorry am I drunk or are people being fucking mad tonight?
OK, I do see it somewhat being related to the post you replied to now that you explained what you meant. Even Father_Brain didn't know what you meant with your reply.
Yes it was co-developed with Brownie Brown. That doesn't make it no longer a third-party game.
electroplankton
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I agree when it comes to people writing about worldwide sales. But this is a sales thread because the main topic concerns sales. And in any case, a fairly small hardware boost as this one won't have any effect on developers. If Vita will increase by a quite high margin its weekly average (let's say, around 20-25k units per week), then one can start to think about some impact on software houses decision and so on.
It's not that people don't wanna comment positively this news. It's more that there are not many positive comments to do outside "it did fairly well last week".
Senran Kagura was a new IP and it reached 100k units sales with the second entry on 3DS. Bravely Default is close to 300k units and it's a new IP, and not even the typical new IP that would sell well on a Nintendo hardware. Fantasy Life is a new IP that is still in the chart with legs and all, and it's approaching the 300k mark fast. Other new IPs that sold well on 3DS, even to a less extent, are Rhythm Thief, Code of Princess, Kobitodzukan: Kobito Kansatsu Set.
And yes, Fantasy Life is a third party game. It's amazing how you try to downplay the success of a game such as Fantasy Life.
from the 28th February (pricedrop) onwards, PSV is having it´s strongest non holiday month in Japan since P4G and Hatsune Miku, and especially this week with Tales of Hearts and Soul Sacrifice seems to be the last big push with titles we actually have any real information about, only the multiplatform port for FFX comes close to this but beyond this nothing comparable has been announced yet.
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I'm disagreeing with the idea that you're bringing up a relevant point by asking about plausible software announcements that would drive sales. No one predicted the (eventual) success that MH would become when MH Portable 1 was announced, so why do you think someone ought to be able to do that for the Vita?
I am surprised you showed up so late.The Vita hate phase is on stand by right now.
So no sales dicussion should be done outside of NPD, MediaCreate, and PAL Charts threads? OK.
Well no one predicted the breakout hit that was the Wii. No one predicted that Animal Crossing New Leaf would sell insane amounts.
What is being asked is what plausible software can be released on the Vita and move hardware for the sake of discussion. But your point is right. The Vita could have a huge turnaround from something that was not predictable, but that doesn't mean we can't discuss about things that could happen that can help.
I'm playing down the relevance of that particular game's success because most third parties don't typically enjoy things like co-development with a Nintendo first party (in this case Brownie Brown- don't know why this has to be spelled out) with all the associated marketing perks (like being associated with Brownie Brown, who developed Mother 3).
(And it's not that clear that much of the credit doesn't actually belong to Brownie Brown since they apparently have rock solid rpg design credentials.)
They weren't a first-party studio at the time of development of Fantasy Life. They have worked with Nintendo before, but they weren't a first-party studio.
grimshawish
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Nintendo didn't publish it and am pretty sure a first party resource being available to third parties can in no way be a negative whatever the circumstances.
electroplankton
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All the marketing was Level-5's, not Nintendo. The game was a success, and this is proved by the fact that it had several sold-out in the first few weeks, hence neither Level-5 nor retailers expected it would have sold so much. It's a new IP, it's fresh, and it's selling really well. It's not that you see new IPs selling 300k units every week in Japan.
Anyway, to me it seems downplaying. It's like some years ago, when new IPs were finding success on DS, some people said "this doesn't count because it's a game for kids, this doesn't count because it's similar to Animal Crossing, this doesn't count because it would have sold better elsewhere, etc."
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