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[clay_ghost]

I am gonna save these 2 posts and when Kingdom Hearts 3 comes out and i will post them again to see if you were right about the part that i wont understand 3 if i dont play 3D.

I asked you to watch the cut scenes lol.

Or read up on it, the last few hours of the game throw a lot of thing at you lol.

Looking forward to you digging up our posts in 3 years(if not more)

Oh to give you an example on what you may not understand how this is possible without playing 3d.
spoilers of course
click to be mind &*()

 

[electroplankton]

So many wrong things in this post...where should i begin?

Okay first of all KH3D is spin off title just like Birth by Sleep,Days and Coded.Every title is a spin off unless it is a numbered title.I dont know what exactly you want to achieve saying things like that....that 3DS has a main KH title while PS3 or PSP dont?Just because it is a follow up story and has the same characters doen't mean it can be considered a main title in the series.I have played all KH except 3D and i wont play it since it is a spin off title and i am full with them after Days and BBS.I am just gonna wait for 3 and i am 100% sure that i can play it and understand it completely without having played 3D.I am just gonna stop here posting things that are completely out of topic.I am suggesting you to do the same but you already ruined this topic so......

Both BbS and 3D are main entries in the series. They are not numbered, but they're mainline as well as MGSW is. They are not spin-offs by any means. You can call them mini-KH, because they're not packed with contents as the first two episodes, but they're far more better, in terms of... everything, than Coded, Re:coded and Days. Then, if you don't want to play 3D is a your decision. As a KH fan, I would play because it's really enjoyable, worlds are pretty good and gameplay is fun.

 

[Celine]

People actually try and lump the vita disappointing sales with the 3DS? Really. There is no similarities at all. Can you imagine what this place would of been like if the 3DS was sitting at 10 mil right now instead of 30 mil.

Yeah, it's funny.
If 3DS had tanked like Vita that would probably meant the end for dedicated handheld gaming.

 

[Mario007]

Both BbS and 3D are main entries in the series. They are not numbered, but they're mainline as well as MGSW is. They are not spin-offs by any means. You can call them mini-KH, because they're not packed with contents as the first two episodes, but they're far more better, in terms of... everything, than Coded, Re:coded and Days. Then, if you don't want to play 3D is a your decision. As a KH fan, I would play because it's really enjoyable, worlds are pretty good and gameplay is fun.

Honestly 3D was so awfully rushed that I would be tempted to call it a spin-off. It really didn't tell us much of anything except that you must stop the main villain of the series. The whole game basicaly hangs its significance on a few scene at the end. To put it on the same level as bbs or com is doing a big disservice to those games.

 

[DGRE]

It's interesting some posters conviently forgotten that first weeks of 2012 were shortly after vita launch ....

That puts the 2012 YTD in an even worse light. Highlight that only makes the situation worse.

 

[clay_ghost]

Honestly 3D was so awfully rushed that I would be tempted to call it a spin-off. It really didn't tell us much of anything except that you must stop the main villain of the series. The whole game basicaly hangs its significance on a few scene at the end. To put it on the same level as bbs or com is doing a big disservice to those games.

Have to disagree with you here, its very much an main game(new worlds, story that pushes serials forward,etc) just that story wise its rushed.
And they did throw so many concepts at you in the end, you will be confused like hell if you did not know the story of 3D.

Yeah, it's funny.
If 3DS had tanked like Vita that would probably meant the end for dedicated handheld gaming.

It will be the start of the end of Nintendo.






This Thread is now about Kingdom Hearts
See SE, We all want Kingdom Hearts 3, so much that we invaded a vita sales thread.
Give us VS too.

 

[SpaceBridge]

Honestly 3D was so awfully rushed that I would be tempted to call it a spin-off. It really didn't tell us much of anything except that you must stop the main villain of the series. The whole game basicaly hangs its significance on a few scene at the end. To put it on the same level as bbs or com is doing a big disservice to those games.

Agreed. Seriously disappointed with KH3D. Sure there are new worlds but they felt as empty and linear as ever. That one Tron world felt like a level from FFXIII actually.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

KH3D touted "new worlds" but then gave us Tron and Pinnochio. Later games really seem to downplay the Disney connection, which pisses me off really. That said, it's almost redeemed by the excellent Fantasia level. Sort of wish the whole game had been that really.

 

[Mondriaan]

It will be the start of the end of Nintendo.

It's the start of the endo of Nintendo unless they make their next handheld a phone.

 

[Laguna]

It's interesting some posters conviently forgotten that first weeks of 2012 were shortly after vita launch ....

PSVs sales in 2012 were considered terrible regardless of launch, releases etc., so don´t know what your problem is? In fact PSV sold under 20k already in the second week of 2012, and under 15k in the sixth week of 2012 in Japan.

under 20k
week 2 - 2012

under 15k
week 6 - 2012

It's the start of the endo of Nintendo unless they make their next handheld a phone.

Please then be consequent enough to call PSVs state as it is, if selling 30m in 2years is already the beginning of the end in your opinion. What exactly would the appopriate term for PSV be then?

 

[Soriku]

KH3D touted "new worlds" but then gave us Tron and Pinnochio. Later games really seem to downplay the Disney connection, which pisses me off really. That said, it's almost redeemed by the excellent Fantasia level. Sort of wish the whole game had been that really.

Why are you listing Tron? The old Tron and Tron Legacy are incredibly different. Pinocchio is really different too.

 

[serplux]

KH3D touted "new worlds" but then gave us Tron and Pinnochio. Later games really seem to downplay the Disney connection, which pisses me off really. That said, it's almost redeemed by the excellent Fantasia level. Sort of wish the whole game had been that really.

Slightly off topic, but how much do you recommend it? It's gone down in price enough to the point where I'm interested in trying out the series. I've enjoyed other action RPGs, like Terranigma and the Tales series, if that conveys my taste enough.

 

[Mondriaan]

Please then be consequent enough to call PSVs state as it is, if selling 30m in 2years is already the beginning of the end in your opinion. What exactly would the appopriate term for PSV be then?

This is the last generation of dedicated portable gaming devices that aren't also phones- true for Sony, true for Nintendo. A 3DS successor that isn't also a phone will be absolutely dead in the water. The social component is going to be more important than the gaming component, at any rate.

 

[electroplankton]

This is the last generation of dedicated portable gaming devices that aren't also phones- true for Sony, true for Nintendo. A 3DS successor that isn't also a phone will be absolutely dead in the water. The social component is going to be more important than the gaming component, at any rate.

That's assuming that mobile phone gaming will always increase, and it won't decline or collapse anytime soon.

 

[Napalm_Frank]

Slightly off topic, but how much do you recommend it? It's gone down in price enough to the point where I'm interested in trying out the series. I've enjoyed other action RPGs, like Terranigma and the Tales series, if that conveys my taste enough.

If you are at all interested in story DDD is not a good place to start, I'd recommend waiting for the first HD collection if you have a PS3. If you don't give a hoot about story and can find it cheap then sure, try it out.

And BBS+DDD are not spinoffs. They are definately main games. It's a real shame that DDD was so rushed cause technical side of it is extremely solid. Probably one of the best on 3DS.

 

[Laguna]

This is the last generation of dedicated portable gaming devices that aren't also phones- true for Sony, true for Nintendo. A 3DS successor that isn't also a phone will be absolutely dead in the water. The social component is going to be more important than the gaming component, at any rate.

Obviously this is only wishful thinking on your part because Sony seems to be on the way out.

 

[grimshawish]

This is the last generation of dedicated portable gaming devices that aren't also phones- true for Sony, true for Nintendo. A 3DS successor that isn't also a phone will be absolutely dead in the water. The social component is going to be more important than the gaming component, at any rate.

Do you know how much phones cost?
Am not buying a phone for work and social stuff thats for gaming. I buy a console for that.

People buy a phone for a phone. Mobile gaming has not evolved over the years, and its rising sales are driven by people taking up smartphones and not by massive growth in the number of games people are playing.

Nintendo should not develop a phone. Its not something they could even start to compete effectively with.

 

[Mondriaan]

Nintendo should not develop a phone. Its not something they could even start to compete effectively with.

Nintendo's already competing with phones whether or not they like it.

 

[Laguna]

Nintendo's already competing with phones whether or not they like it.

I agree but so far only PSV seem to have lost against phones evidenced by the even worse selling 3G version.

 

[Yopis]

This thread turned into handheld war quick. Why are we talking about 3ds games.

 

[partyphone]

This thread turned into handheld war quick. Why are we talking about 3ds games.

They're pretty cool?

 

[ArtHands]

So many wrong things in this post...where should i begin?

Okay first of all KH3D is spin off title just like Birth by Sleep,Days and Coded.Every title is a spin off unless it is a numbered title.I dont know what exactly you want to achieve saying things like that....that 3DS has a main KH title while PS3 or PSP dont?Just because it is a follow up story and has the same characters doen't mean it can be considered a main title in the series.I have played all KH except 3D and i wont play it since it is a spin off title and i am full with them after Days and BBS.I am just gonna wait for 3 and i am 100% sure that i can play it and understand it completely without having played 3D.I am just gonna stop here posting things that are completely out of topic.I am suggesting you to do the same but you already ruined this topic so......

You said you haven't played KH3D. How will you know it is a spinoff? Just because they are not numbered doesn't mean they are not mainline titles.

 

[Principate]

This thread turned into handheld war quick. Why are we talking about 3ds games.

Every Vita thread is like this. A lot of 3DS threads too. Nature of dedicated gaming device wars.

 

[electroplankton]

You said you haven't played KH3D. How will you know it is a spinoff? Just because they are not numbered doesn't mean they are not mainline titles.

Actually it's numbered: 3D, haha

 

[metalslimer]

This thread turned into handheld war quick. Why are we talking about 3ds games.

Because attacking the 3DS is the last defense for people because there is no way to spin Vita's sales up til now as a positive.

"Well Vita based on its sales doesn't seem to have much of a futu..."

"3DS IS DEAD!!!!"

Which is a perfectly fine if you want to back up your opinion on that matter. Normally when you attack a platform though in a sales thread said platform isn't doing orders of magnitude better, but I guess Vita doesn't exactly have anything lower than it.

 

[Mondriaan]

Because attacking the 3DS is the last defense for people because there is no way to spin Vita's sales up til now as a positive.

You shouldn't take it so personally that some people are noting that the Vita and the 3DS are just like two ships floating on a receding tide.

 

[metalslimer]

You shouldn't take it so personally that some people are noting that the Vita and the 3DS are just like two ships floating on a receding tide.

Personally? I've been one of the people saying how disappointing the 3DS's western sales are and how Nintendo has squandered many opportunities they had with the system. Only a mentally disabled person could honestly look at the Vita and 3DS and put them in the exact same boat when the 3DS has already shipped 29 million units and Nintendo is about to make a massive amount of money this year on it with Pokemon and 3rd party royalties from Monster Hunter 4. You should take it less personally when someone doesn't say something positive about Vita and actually attempt to back up your arguments instead of going about like a child attacking other posters.

 

[SmokyDave]

"Well Vita based on its sales doesn't seem to have much of a futu..."

"3DS IS DEAD!!!!"

That seems like a perfectly reasonable summation of things. I'm glad you're able to provide such neutral commentary.

 

[metalslimer]

That seems like a perfectly reasonable summation of things. I'm glad you're able to provide such neutral commentary.

Well to think that Nintendo won't ever release another dedicated handheld is quite reasonable as well. This topic isn't even about the 3DS and has nothing to do with the 3DS, so the fact that it's continually brought up and placed in the same boat is a sign of someone not having their argument to actually defend Vita. But I'm glad you're hear to keep us on track for neutral commentary =p

But no one is actually going to seriously defend there arguments because they aren't meant to be serious arguments, and instead are just distractions.

 

[Mondriaan]

That seems like a perfectly reasonable summation of things. I'm glad you're able to provide such neutral commentary.

I really liked the bit about mentally disabled persons. I'm sorry for hurting his feelings.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

PSVs sales in 2012 were considered terrible regardless of launch, releases etc., so don´t know what your problem is? In fact PSV sold under 20k already in the second week of 2012, and under 15k in the sixth week of 2012 in Japan.

under 20k
week 2 - 2012

under 15k
week 6 - 2012



Please then be consequent enough to call PSVs state as it is, if selling 30m in 2years is already the beginning of the end in your opinion. What exactly would the appopriate term for PSV be then?

Funny how you did not mention the first week of 2012 which accounted for more than a quarter of the sales you mentioned. Convenient isn't it?

Obviously this is only wishful thinking on your part because Sony seems to be on the way out.

The only wishful thinking here is you thinking Sony will quit handheld gaming.

1) They are not going to let Nintendo have a monopoly of the market.
2) They are not losing a shit ton of money with the Vita.
3) If a console manufacturer left the market because of bad sales then Nintendo would have left after Gamecube. However they had GBA just like Sony has its home consoles to make up for it.

Because attacking the 3DS is the last defense for people because there is no way to spin Vita's sales up til now as a positive.

"Well Vita based on its sales doesn't seem to have much of a futu..."

"3DS IS DEAD!!!!"

Which is a perfectly fine if you want to back up your opinion on that matter. Normally when you attack a platform though in a sales thread said platform isn't doing orders of magnitude better, but I guess Vita doesn't exactly have anything lower than it.

I don't think anyone has said 3DS is dead. What a hyperbole. People have said that the 3DS under performed according to Nintendo's expectations which is a fact.

I agree but so far only PSV seem to have lost against phones evidenced by the even worse selling 3G version

Hmmm....maybe I am going crazy but if I recall correctly the DS did not need a price cut so early in its life did it?

 

[Chaos Theory]

^^^^It seems like it is a good deal.



Maybe.



It's Activision, I think they put very little effort into Declassified and would like to put little effort into it again.

The black splotches are normal. Whether the library warrants a purchase for you is up to you. Sounds like a good deal.

Holy shit that's a deal, buy it dude.

That seems like a really good deal. He's your friend, right? Unless that "dot" becomes a huge scratch, why not? The 16 GB card alone is worth $50.

Buy it.

the blotches are normal, its one of the few detractors of OLED. Personally id recommend the vita, being both a launch 3ds and vita owner i felt that the vita is a much nicer hand held than the 3ds, hopefully the games pick up eventually

ok.. since all comments suggesting this is a good deal. i already decided to buy it and i am picking it up later today. the good thing i am even buying it by installment. 60 $ or so per month. he said he is not really interested in it and he doesn't play it. so why not.

to be honest i want few games on it but i highly doubt i am paying alot of money on brand new games, i would wait for used games first or good deal. the main function i want the PS vita for is because of PS4 compatibility which interest me alot if its anything like the WIIU and the controller. .. meaning if i can play my ps4 games via wifi on that thing then i am good to go without any regret.

the problem is the PS4 isnt coming till Nov i think at least. and i am expecting a price drop for the system. which is why i am wondering if i should have waited or not.

assuming the WIFI PSV is 150$ after a price drop. + i duno how much 16GIG memory is + wipe out and MGS collection say 35$ each... we are talking about 220$ brand new wifi PSV with games.. so yeah i dont think its a bad deal

 

[metalslimer]

People have said that the 3DS under performed according to Nintendo's expectations which is a fact.

Now what exactly does this have to do with the 3DS being the last handheld from Nintendo because the only way that is a legitimate possibility is if the 3DS is dead/dying and not making a ton of profit for Nintendo. It's just as reasonable as Pachter suggesting next gen will be the last gen after selling 85-95 million systems for both Sony and MS.

 

[Mpl90]

Hmmm....maybe I am going crazy but if I recall correctly the DS did not need a price cut so early in its life did it?

Not that early and obviously not that big, but DS had a 20$ (from 149.99 to 129.99) cut in US in August 2005.

 

[SmokyDave]

Well to think that Nintendo won't ever release another dedicated handheld is quite reasonable as well. This topic isn't even about the 3DS and has nothing to do with the 3DS, so the fact that it's continually brought up and placed in the same boat is a sign of someone not having their argument to actually defend Vita. But I'm glad you're hear to keep us on track for neutral commentary =p

But no one is actually going to seriously defend there arguments because they aren't meant to be serious arguments, and instead are just distractions.

I don't think anyone was actually suggesting that the 3DS was dead, merely that it was under-performing in accordance with Nintendo's expectations. Probably due to a contracting market for dedicated handhelds that is hitting the Vita far harder. I don't feel like many people actually read the posts in threads like this, they just imagine what is being said and then respond accordingly. One guy came in earlier and scoffed at the notion that this spike would make devs 'jump ship' to the Vita and I still don't have the first idea who said that or where.

These things would go far better of people didn't lump everyone into groups and then respond to the perceived beliefs of these groups.

 

[BlackJace]

1)They are not going to let Nintendo have a monopoly of the market.

They've let them before. There's no indication that they aren't willing to let them again.

2) They are not losing a shit ton of money with the Vita.

Lol, source on that?

 

[metalslimer]

I don't think anyone was actually suggesting that the 3DS was dead, merely that it was under-performing in accordance with Nintendo's expectations. Probably due to a contracting market for dedicated handhelds that is hitting the Vita far harder. I don't feel like many people actually read the posts in threads like this, they just imagine what is being said and then respond accordingly. One guy came in earlier and scoffed at the notion that this spike would make devs 'jump ship' to the Vita and I still don't have the first idea who said that or where.

These things would go far better of people didn't lump everyone into groups and then respond to the perceived beliefs of these groups.

Of course there are people in here making reasonable arguments. Arguing the 3DS is the last dedicated handheld for Nintendo is not at all a reasonable argument in my view. And yes, the 3DS numbers are definitely a disappointment. And then when people suggest that it isn't, the best reply I can get is "feelings are hurt"? That's about as big of a non reply as you can get.

1) They are not going to let Nintendo have a monopoly of the market.

The only place where this seems like a possibility is Japan. Everywhere else the handheld market is dying and the only reason Nintendo will continue to stick it out is the fact that handhelds are half of their entire business and with the Wii U flopping who knows what the future of consoles holds for them.

 

[Mondriaan]

Of course there are people in here making reasonable arguments. Arguing the 3DS is the last dedicated handheld for Nintendo is not at all a reasonable argument in my view. And yes, the 3DS numbers are definitely a disappointment. And then when people suggest that it isn't, the best reply I can get is "feelings are hurt"? That's about as big of a non reply as you can get.

Certainly you are mischaracterizing my argument, so I'm attributing it to hurt feelings. I said the 3DS successor that isn't essentially a phone is dead in the water meaning a substantially lower sales performance than the 3DS. (Does dead in the water have some other meaning I'm not aware of?)

 

[metalslimer]

Certainly you are mischaracterizing my argument, so I'm attributing it to hurt feelings. I said the 3DS successor that isn't essentially a phone is dead in the water meaning a substantially lower sales performance than the 3DS.

Dead in the water does not equal a substantially lower sales performance. I agree the 3DS successor is not going to sell as much as the 3DS will and will probably a sell a good chunk less, but that does not make it dead in the water. Dead in the water means it's going to completely bomb the second it comes out. Assuming Nintendo doesn't fuck something up, the 3DS successor will sell at least another 20 million in Japan alone so, that seems like a product worth releasing.

I'll also add I don't think Nintendo will release another system in the DS form factor and that they will do something substantially different next gen in last ditch attempt to save the dwindling market. The biggest thing to worry about with Nintendo is how they will manage with a badly performing console and a handheld in a shrinking market.

 

[Laguna]

Funny how you did not mention the first week of 2012 which accounted for more than a quarter of the sales you mentioned. Convenient isn't it?

Don´t you understand that PSV performed worse than 2012 until last week and that they needed a price drop, new PSV color and PSO2/SenranKagura to reach last years YTD sales was exactly my point?

1st week PSV sales of 2012 and 2013:
2012 42.915
2013 33.309


week9: year to date sales in Japan
2013 163.582
2012 160.035

 

[serplux]

Certainly you are mischaracterizing my argument, so I'm attributing it to hurt feelings. I said the 3DS successor that isn't essentially a phone is dead in the water meaning a substantially lower sales performance than the 3DS.

It will have Pokemon on it. It's not going to sell under 50 million units, 'cause I see the 3DS being over 100 million when its all said and done.

 

[sechsterangriff]

.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Now what exactly does this have to do with the 3DS being the last handheld from Nintendo because the only way that is a legitimate possibility is if the 3DS is dead/dying and not making a ton of profit for Nintendo. It's just as reasonable as Pachter suggesting next gen will be the last gen after selling 85-95 million systems for both Sony and MS.

Nothing at all. Why would Nintendo abandon their biggest market lol. I have never said this will be the last handheld from Nintendo.

They've let them before. There's no indication that they aren't willing to let them again.

Ummm when have Sony quit anything in the gaming industry. Sony saw the success of the PSP and now they know there is a market for another handheld.

Lol, source on that?

Whats the "lol" for?

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/12q3_sony.pdf

Page 3 under the section called Game.

Sales decreased 15.1% year-on-year (an 18% decrease on a constant currency basis) to 268.5 billion yen (3,086
million U.S. dollars). Overall segment sales decreased significantly due to lower sales of hardware and software
of the PlayStation®3 (“PS3”) and PSP® (PlayStation Portable) (“PSP”), partially offset by the sales of the
PlayStation®Vita introduced in December 2011.

Seems like the PSV did more good than bad.

Don´t you understand that PSV performed worse than 2012 until last week and that they needed a price drop, new PSV color and PSO2/SenranKagura to reach last years YTD sales was exactly my point?

Are you saying that the PSV was declining until this price drop came into effect?

I see what your saying now. Forgive me I think I may of misunderstood.

I guess it shows that people buy gaming consoles for the games.

 

[DaBoss]

Whats the "lol" for?

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/12q3_sony.pdf

Page 3 under the section called Game.



Seems like the PSV did more good than bad.

I think they're saying that the sales decreased a lot partially from 2011's 3rd quarter to 2012's 3rd quarter due to the launch sales of the PSV being included in that 2011 number. So what it seems like they're saying it was hard to get a year-on-year growth due to the launch of the PSV bringing in a lot of revenue in the 3rd quarter in 2011.

Doesn't really say whether the Playstation Vita is doing anything bad or good for them currently.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

I think they're saying that the sales decreased a lot partially from 2011's 3rd quarter to 2012's 3rd quarter due to the launch sales of the PSV being included in that 2011 number. So what it seems like they're saying it was hard to get a year-on-year growth due to the launch of the PSV bringing in a lot of revenue in the 3rd quarter in 2011.

Doesn't really say whether the Playstation Vita is doing anything bad or good for them currently.

Well their gaming business is still operating an income so it at least shows that the Vita is not making them lose tons of money which was my original statement. Especially notable since it probably includes PS4's R&D.

 

[DaBoss]

Well their gaming business is still operating an income so it at least shows that the Vita is not making them lose tons of money which was my original statement. Especially notable since it probably includes PS4's R&D.

It doesn't say anything specific about the Vita since we don't have a breakdown of what the costs and revenue are. It just says their gaming sector has a positive operating income thus not losing money.

This is just an example and not what I think: for all we know the PSVita is making them a loss, but the PS3 software sales, royalties, hardware sales, and etc. is offsetting that.

I definitely think the Vita is not making a loss since it seems they barely market the thing, so marketing costs must be low and they will be getting a large amount of money through memory cards. I don't have any guesses on whether it would be profitable or not.

As for PS4's R&D, wouldn't it be also be in consideration for 2011? I don't see why it would be considered for 2012 only.

 

[Father_Brain]

Well their gaming business is still operating an income so it at least shows that the Vita is not making them lose tons of money which was my original statement. Especially notable since it probably includes PS4's R&D.

The bit you quoted is referring to revenue only. It says absolutely nothing about Vita's profitability or lack thereof, as it's impossible for a new hardware launch not to boost revenue over what would have been the case had that hardware not launched. PS3 boosted SCE's revenue when it launched, too.

 

[DR2K]

When 3DS is selling faster than PS2 in Japan, and is seeing decent numbers in the West, and Nintendo is still absurdely popular among kids?

Yes, sales are and will be in a huge decline and will keep that pace until Nintendo evolves their hardware stratagy.

Posting from my Nintendo tablet.

 

[Gokurakumaru]

I disagree because it´s silly to ignore the huge difference between a 4m and a 30m userbase. Also we know what system sellers will be released this year.

Talking about Japan. Here a comparison between PSV year to dates sales from 2012 and 2013

2013 163.582
2012 160.035

So it needed the big price-drop and releases like Phantasy Star Online 2 and Senran Kagura, to even keep up with last years sales.

You mean the numbers it did immediately post launch? GTFO here with that comparison.

 

[Gokurakumaru]

What about smartphones and tablets? That has to make some sort of impact on how much the 3DS sells.

This has already been pointed out, and it's kind of the point. 30 million is "awesome" until you point out it's worse than the DS did, and that the DS did it with stronger competition from the PSP. Then it's not so awesome, and more a question "why isn't it higher?" and "is it sustainable?" The answers are "smartphones" and "no."