VGLeaks rumor: Durango CPU Overview

c0de said:
I say that all this OS RAM talk is legit but I also think that MS has a strategy lying beneath: The app-concept. I don't think that MS will reserve 3 GB RAM for OS-purposes but I think it will open the XBOX Os somehow to their windows store where users can download apps as they like.
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You can already download apps on the 360, but I don't see Durango having full access to the Windows Store unless it ships with a touch panel or a mouse (which I don't think it will). Emulating those input devices with a controller or Kinect would be cumbersome, which would defeat the whole purpose, and native support for controllers and Kinect is not something that's required from already existing apps.
 
REMEMBER CITADEL said:
You can already download apps on the 360, but I don't see Durango having full access to the Windows Store unless it ships with a touch panel or a mouse (which I don't think it will). Emulating those input devices with a controller or Kinect would be cumbersome, which would defeat the whole purpose, and native support for controllers and Kinect is not something that's required from already existing apps.
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I could see the Durango being an additional platform for devs to target on the Store. They would have a requirement to support the controller or Kinect at that point.
 
REMEMBER CITADEL said:
You can already download apps on the 360, but I don't see Durango having full access to the Windows Store unless it ships with a touch panel or a mouse (which I don't think it will). Emulating those input devices with a controller or Kinect would be cumbersome, which would defeat the whole purpose, and native support for controllers and Kinect is not something that's required from already existing apps.
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Smartglass?
 
c0de said:
Smartglass?
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Not unless a smart device is packed in the box. They're not going to peg a major feature on an optional peripheral that some people might not even have. Sure, you could presume that everyone has a smartphone or a tablet by now, but you'd be wrong. I don't, for instance.
 
REMEMBER CITADEL said:
Not unless a smart device is packed in the box. They're not going to peg a major feature on an optional peripheral that some people might not even have. Sure, you could presume that everyone has a smartphone or a tablet by now, but you'd be wrong. I don't, for instance.
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I say it isn't necessary but as an option it would make sense after all. And yes, there are always people who don't fit in the target. Without internet you won't be able to play PS3-games on PS4, for example. There are of course ppl without internet access but the majority has and this seems to be true by now and will be even more in the next months and years.
 
c0de said:
I say it isn't necessary but as an option it would make sense after all. And yes, there are always people who don't fit in the target. Without internet you won't be able to play PS3-games on PS4, for example. There are of course ppl without internet access but the majority has and this seems to be true by now and will be even more in the next months and years.
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Broadband internet access is far more common than smart devices, that's really not comparable. Putting in such an optional feature that would take away the resources for everyone (we're talking about what might be requiring 2-3 GB of RAM here) would not make much sense.
 
REMEMBER CITADEL said:
You can already download apps on the 360, but I don't see Durango having full access to the Windows Store unless it ships with a touch panel or a mouse (which I don't think it will). Emulating those input devices with a controller or Kinect would be cumbersome, which would defeat the whole purpose, and native support for controllers and Kinect is not something that's required from already existing apps.
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Isn't the whole "Minority Report controls" deal what they're shooting for with Kinect? If so I'd say emulating a touch pad/mouse cursor-esque effect with it would be one of the first implementations they should be able to nail.

At that point they could handle the vagaries of input system-side and let apps run as though they were being controlled by a mouse or touchpad like on any windows PC.
 
REMEMBER CITADEL said:
Broadband internet access is far more common than smart devices, that's really not comparable.
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Of course many ppl have broadband access but smartphone sales are already high and the market is still growing. Look at this old data:
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But it isn't worth arguing because MS will deliver a platform that will last for years and smartglass is also already available. Even more the target group will most probably have smartphones.

Putting in such an optional feature that would take away the resources for everyone (we're talking about what might be requiring 2-3 GB of RAM here) would not make much sense.
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I doubt that the application layer will eat up 3 gb (of course not the os alone, that would be insane) - as I mentioned there are enough ways to offer more. And even if they leave 5 gb RAM for devs by now this would be definitely enough for 1st gen games.
 
c0de said:
I doubt that the application layer will eat up 3 gb (of course not the os alone, that would be insane) - as I mentioned there are enough ways to offer more. And even if they leave 5 gb RAM for devs by now this would be definitely enough for 1st gen games.
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Yeah i am doubting this as well, id say its more likely to be 500-1024MB of ram or maybe 1.5GB but 3GB is sound a bit much.
 
If the 360 is designed to be a thin client for future Durango services, why not just have the apps direct on the 360? It's not like its lacking in power to have a fully featured front end and direct access to services.
 
REMEMBER CITADEL said:
Broadband internet access is far more common than smart devices, that's really not comparable. Putting in such an optional feature that would take away the resources for everyone (we're talking about what might be requiring 2-3 GB of RAM here) would not make much sense.
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Could it be possible that the rumored tv tuner aspects of the system is the reason for the high memory footprint? I was thinking one thing the multiple buffer layers for the gpu would be good for is, rendering game activity while having a picture in picture of a show/ tv station or other forms of multitasking going at the same time.
 
th4tguy said:
Could it be possible that the rumored tv tuner aspects of the system is the reason for the high memory footprint? I was thinking one thing the multiple buffer layers for the gpu would be good for is, rendering game activity while having a picture in picture of a show/ tv station or other forms of multitasking going at the same time.
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Nope. Ps3 can record from the Japanese/euro TV tuners in the background with a piddly 50Mb for the OS. Embedded systems in DVRs are usually low power Linux systems with maybe 512MB ram.
 
th4tguy said:
Could it be possible that the rumored tv tuner aspects of the system is the reason for the high memory footprint? I was thinking one thing the multiple buffer layers for the gpu would be good for is, rendering game activity while having a picture in picture of a show/ tv station or other forms of multitasking going at the same time.
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No the tuner-stuff would have dedicated hardware and ressources as does any tv-tuner-hardware out there. It wouldn't affect the games-hardware by much. Of course it would use some ressources (like HDD or yes, TV-Output via HDMI) but RAM, most probably no.
 
I think the high memory OS/System reserve is simply because they can, and don't know what they will need 5-6 years into the life of the system when they want to release some add-on device(s).

Nothing will consume 3 GB now, just like launch games won't need 4-5GB of RAM in all likelihood, but much later into the gen there maybe something that will eat up that system reserve. If not, they can scale that down and let later gen games use more of the RAM. They can't go the other way, they can't increase the system reserve. So better safe than sorry.
 
Well since every insider says "nothing changed" why are we waiting for new leaks? I don't want to hear the same leaks over and over with just some more "technical" insight - but in the end those leaks could be described like: "Yeah, it's just two Jaguar CPUs duct-taped together...".
 
fritolay said:
Wouldn't it be great of Durango came with an XBMC port out of the box? Talk about a long circle the project would take.
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Oh, this is tough :) Well, essentially it isn't. There won't be a port out of the box - if you want this, buy ouya ;) But I can see XBMC officially in the Win store in the next months/years. It also depends on what MS will do with nextbox but if they make it possible for user-apps (not the ones they have now, these apps are highly customized for 360) to be installed I don't see why it wouldn't. The "one-platform for all"-approach could turn good for MS.
 
McHuj said:
I'm sure there will be stuff leaking at GDC, but that's still two weeks.
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It makes no sense to me that Microsoft will reveal the system after GDC with games like BF4 being revealed.

Just like it didn't make sense when rumours were saying big things were coming from DPS before the PS4 reveal was to be 20th Feb.

Surely Microsoft would want the name of their new console associated with BF4 along with PS4?

I really think we'll at least hear something official (if not a full reveal) at or before GDC.
 
THE:MILKMAN said:
It makes no sense to me that Microsoft will reveal the system after GDC with games like BF4 being revealed.

Just like it didn't make sense when rumours were saying big things were coming from DPS before the PS4 reveal was to be 20th Feb.

Surely Microsoft would want the name of their new console associated with BF4 along with PS4?

I really think we'll at least hear something official (if not a full reveal) at or before GDC.
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The silly announcement game from MS is ruining some of the reveals of high profile titles.
 
THE:MILKMAN said:
It makes no sense to me that Microsoft will reveal the system after GDC with games like BF4 being revealed.

Just like it didn't make sense when rumours were saying big things were coming from DPS before the PS4 reveal was to be 20th Feb.

Surely Microsoft would want the name of their new console associated with BF4 along with PS4?

I really think we'll at least hear something official (if not a full reveal) at or before GDC.
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I agree with you and I always thought we would, but we're only two weeks away from GDC and there hasn't been a peep.

Perhaps they're not intent on doing a full show like Sony did and will handle everything through web and press releases, but I think we would have heard something by now.
 
Hana-Bi said:
Well since every insider says "nothing changed" why are we waiting for new leaks? I don't want to hear the same leaks over and over with just some more "technical" insight - but in the end those leaks could be described like: "Yeah, it's just two Jaguar CPUs duct-taped together...".
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Firstly, I think we can count the number of "insiders" on one hand...and I believe (although I could be wrong), that there is an overlap on some of these original source(s) -- in other words, a few of the gaming sites are using the same "source", but many here on GAF assume these are multiple, independent sources.

Secondly, if these "sources" are bonafide, the question remains what version Development Kit they are basing their "nothing has changed" declaration.

The only thing we have to go by, is how accurate these alleged sources have been in regards to the PS4, prior to it's official unveiling. And if I am not mistaken, not one of these "sources" forecast the 8Gb DDR5 announcement, which was a WHOPPER.
 
THE:MILKMAN said:
It makes no sense to me that Microsoft will reveal the system after GDC with games like BF4 being revealed.

Just like it didn't make sense when rumours were saying big things were coming from DPS before the PS4 reveal was to be 20th Feb.

Surely Microsoft would want the name of their new console associated with BF4 along with PS4?

I really think we'll at least hear something official (if not a full reveal) at or before GDC.
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Yup. It's literally free advertising for Sony at this point. BF4 launching on PS3, 360, PC and PS4.
 
Deuterium said:
The only thing we have to go by, is how accurate these alleged sources have been in regards to the PS4, prior to it's official unveiling. And if I am not mistaken, not one of these "sources" forecast the 8Gb GDDR5 announcement, which was a WHOPPER.
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You are mistaken, edge clearly stated sony were pushing for 8GB. Many here, myself included, assumed that highly improbable given that RAM chip densities had only just increased
 
THE:MILKMAN said:
It makes no sense to me that Microsoft will reveal the system after GDC with games like BF4 being revealed.

Just like it didn't make sense when rumours were saying big things were coming from DPS before the PS4 reveal was to be 20th Feb.

Surely Microsoft would want the name of their new console associated with BF4 along with PS4?

I really think we'll at least hear something official (if not a full reveal) at or before GDC.
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Why?

It is what will be lying on the shelf when the system launches. Nobody right now will care a lot on what systems BF4 launches... as long as they see it in the shop on launch day.
 
NemesisPrime said:
Why?

It is what will be lying on the shelf when the system launches. Nobody right now will care a lot on what systems BF4 launches... as long as they see it in the shop on launch day.
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Because I think a lot of core-casual gamers that play COD/FIFA/BF that I know didn't even know a new Xbox was even coming until I told them. they don't read gaming sites/forums.

It was the same with the PS4 until adverts started showing in Champion League games and it was being talked about in mainstream media. One of my work colleagues was very confused with a Bungie game being on PS4!

So although you're ultimately right about the games being there on launch day is what matters most, it definitely doesn't hurt to have these type of gamers associate game X with PS4 for weeks/months on end.
 
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