hAHAH WTF
We really do need some real news.
I'm betting MGS4 was no walk in the park either.
VGLeaks rumor: Durango CPU Overview
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hAHAH WTF
We really do need some real news.
I'm betting MGS4 was no walk in the park either.
statham
Member
thats what stood out to me 'slightly'
Yeah. That really stood out to me.
Going by rumored specs vs. official specs slightly is a understatement.
As aforementioned, no multiplat developer who has to sell product on both platforms labelled, "next gen" will publicly make any statement that will be scrutinized and then perhaps be blown out of proportion. That will be quite detrimental to manufacturer and developer relationship.
Deuterium
Member
Hi Razgreez, then I may stand corrected. However, has it been determined if Edge was simply making an editorial speculation and commentary...based upon the pre-existing leak that the Nextbox will have 8Gb RAM? Or, did Edge directly attribute this information to one of their "souces"/"leaks"?
phosphor112
Banned
Why is that? Devs acknowledged 360's advantages over PS3, and vice versa...
Whole fields of grass missing from PS3 games because of no edram, or complete lack of image quality for cutscenes on 360 because of dvd.
BlockheadBrown
Member
Annoying tease.
From one of their source.
You're kidding right?
Miles Quaritch
Member
I don't believe that applies to Payton, he's currently working a kickstarter project for iOS, through a studio he set up, and hasn't made any hint toward working on either the PS4 or next Xbox.
His comments are revealing in that he has no investment in either console nor does it appear he will have one for some time to come, so I wouldn't be so eager to dismiss his comments.
phosphor112
Banned
I meant CGI. Case in point is FF13. Several other examples as well.
CGI and Audio quality downgrades are the only cons of using DVD as a format. It has nothing to do with graphics.
There is a difference. We see the difference (on websites like DF). No multiplat developer would come out and point the lack of something due to certain shortcoming of a console.
For example, despite knowing how ugly the situation could get with the PS3 version of Skyrim, they shipped the game anyway without any indication that PS3's split pool and their engine became incompatible with that game.
I am not dismissing his comments as much as I stating that at is both ambivalent and that there are ramifications for making claims that could later come to bite him in the tush.
phosphor112
Banned
Ermmm, they were still advantages that PS3 had over 360. I'm just saying, it goes both ways. They didn't just slap in the same sounds and low bandwidth CGI pre-renders that the 360 had.
The main beasts of the PS3 was that the Cell could do GPU tasks and you didn't have to tile things into RAM to get a 720p framebuffer.
phosphor112
Banned
Well, they acknowledged the differences, but they always said they strive for parity (even though it doesn't happen). Some dev will say "well, bluray lets us do so many things" and then another dev says "the 360's memory lets us do more than we can on other consoles" but yeah, you're right, in the end it's "they are about the same."
The point is, devs will take advantage of each console if it doesn't involve doing backflips and loopdy loops. =P
Miles Quaritch
Member
What ramifications? He isn't working on any multiplat games nor does it look he will be for quite some time to come. If anyone could be trusted to relay accurate information, it would be someone like Payton.
He'll be bogged down with Republique for quite some time, by the time he gets around to developing for next gen consoles, if ever, his comments won't be a factor.
So in that sense, it does appear as though you're attempting to dismiss his comments by creating a scenario where we shouldn't read into his comments as ihe would try to be as neutral/diplomatic as possible. The problem being, the scenario isn't supported by the facts nor is it realistic.
To show that they are mostly equal but perhaps he can't really tell how the small differences will turn out to be a favor for either one.
Crimson_Gold
Member
To stoke the fires of war. Why else?
How am I dismissing his comment when I am acknowledging it (except we do not know which is more powerful)? All I am trying to say is that even if PS4/XB3 was more than "slightly more" powerful than the other no developer (incl. Payton) would come out and say it.
Plus, just because he is not developing any of the next gen platforms right now (as far as he has stated) he may do so in future.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
For most people who don't obsess over specs, framerates and benchmarks, anything less than 2x can probably be classified as slightly. Here we might see at most 30-50% performance difference, so people making games won't start doing backflips over something like that.
Thats how I take it too.
If Durango's current specs are more than enough for more stable framerates compared to the 360, that would be good enough. If it produces sub optimal framerates compared to the competition then it's not a console I would be getting for third party ports. IMO
Miles Quaritch
Member
I disagree. If the difference were as big as some hope it is, I doubt he or anyone would use the word slightly. It's very specific wording and it shouldn't be ignored.
It also nicely backs up the claim by EDGE that the PS4 is slightly more powerful. So now we have two sources claiming one is slightly more powerful than the other and as EDGE has been accurate in the past, it's fair to assume that Payton is referencing the PS4 when he says one is more powerful than the other. The vice versa is obviously thrown into stoke the flames, but can easily be dismissed when you take the so far accurate EDGE claim into account.
Camouflaj seems entirely focused on Republique, I doubt he's working on any next gen projects nor will be be for some time to come.
So 360 has framerate-issues, you say? 360 especially or this gen generally?
Ninja Moomin
Banned
Thats why the current situation is so interesting.... things are not going to be 'about the same' any more from the specs on paper.
PS4 should be faultless for multiplatform ports... even when they are nerfed for the lowest common denominator.
This gen people like DF and Lens of Truth (lol) have gone to town on (mostly) minor differences in tearing, framerates, etc.... how will that work in reverse when there's a bigger difference that the specs back up.
As much as people think that devs and pubs will only develop to 720/durango specs... do you not think fans and the media will start questioning why certain things arent better on a platform with so much power on paper?
That will mean a promotional advantage and, provided the PS4's additional grunt isn't difficult to get to (and every account so far says it is good for developers) then we will see a good number of titles that take advantage of the power.
Sure... by no means all of them.... but then, the 360 didn't need every title to be better for there to be a perception that it runs multi-plat games better than PS3.
So you would be happy with nothing more than a frame rate boost? that would seriously feel 'next gen' to you?
It's been that way for 360 and PS3.
Very few games this gen had stable framerates on consoles.
I would be happy to own a console that can run next gen code with stability.
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
Console specs don't mean anything unless you have software. You cannot talk about frame rate with half of the equation.
AstroNut325
Member
This thread keeps getting more and more entertaining each time I check, gone are the discussion of the main topic instead replaced by denial, wishful thinking, illogical ideas, insults, bickering etc.
Next gen is going to be glorious, I can't wait!
Meh... this is all tame and mild compared to the all out fanboy wars when PS2 and GC were about to launch. Oh and Sega was in the foray too! The internet gaming forums were madhouses.
XtremeXpider
Member
You're right, 2x is "slightly", better AA, some things here, better things there, but almost the same. 4x is more dangerous, it is not "slightly"(I read it an article from eurogamer).
phosphor112
Banned
They have to stay neutral. They don't want making one faction more "salty" than the other. Saying the PS4 is the superior version will only get xbox fans mad and vice versa. Fanboys and websites that do comparison breakdowns will point out which one is obviously better, there is no need for devs to shoot themselves in the foot and harm potential sales.
2x better is 2x the shaded pixels.
Thats nearly but not quite the difference between 720P and 1080P.
If you seriously believe they dropped some mega tonne changes I have a bridge and statue to sell to you, but they will have to wait till next year to arrive.
Gemüsepizza
Member
Would you get a feeling of "true, vindictive ecstasy", if the difference was only "slightly"?
Well it is odd that he chose this day to say it.
Maybe he was reading GAF and decided to stir up more shit for the lol.
Gemüsepizza;49740894 said:
Since I know nothing of official specs it doesn't really mean anything.
travisbickle
Member
It would be strange if he said it before he knew the finalised specs of both consoles.
XtremeXpider
Member
Obviously there is a difference in power, but if it 2x, both will do practically the same, with some things better with PS4.
Yeah he's reading GAF.
SniperHunter
Banned
he posts on gaf too...
Haha, poor Quatrich banked too much on that.
Worthless tweet, phosphor & i-Lo pretty much on the money.
lastflowers
Banned
maybe this was targeted towards a friend he had a steak-bet with? (just speculation of a bet)Gemüsepizza;49740894 said:
I know the 8-4 guys do that sort of thing. It's hard to really extract anything out of this, since we lack any substantive context.
XtremeXpider
Member
Yes, he is trolling xD
