No exactly. There are poems in Chinese literature expressing the idea of lighter equals beauty/handsome, more than two thousand years ago, when Chinese didn't know any other skin color existed.
Skin bleaching (whitening) products - How is this crap even allowed?
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No exactly. There are poems in Chinese literature expressing the idea of lighter equals beauty/handsome, more than two thousand years ago, when Chinese didn't know any other skin color existed.
SuperAngelo64
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I will never understand the 'self loathing' argument.
There are arguments that it may be innate. Even though the advertisement here shows a male I once read a study awhile ago that says that lighter skin, relative to the skin tone of the overall ethnic group is innately more attractive to males even in societies with little to no western influence.
There may be traits that are just innately more attractive? I've heard this same thing with east asian women getting eye surgery supposedly because it makes them 'more white'.
How about every white woman in Hollywood? Do they tan and get lip augmentation to look more black? Probably not. Do they make their noses smaller, iron their hair, and get tummy tucks to look more asian? Doubt it.
On a side note; I'm not really attracted to white(caucasian) women, but I think light-skinned black chicks are absolutely gorgeous, even if their skin is still darker than most white women.
There are arguments that it may be innate. Even though the advertisement here shows a male I once read a study awhile ago that says that lighter skin, relative to the skin tone of the overall ethnic group is innately more attractive to males even in societies with little to no western influence.
There may be traits that are just innately more attractive? I've heard this same thing with east asian women getting eye surgery supposedly because it makes them 'more white'.
How about every white woman in Hollywood? Do they tan and get lip augmentation to look more black? Probably not. Do they make their noses smaller, iron their hair, and get tummy tucks to look more asian? Doubt it.
On a side note; I'm not really attracted to white(caucasian) women, but I think light-skinned black chicks are absolutely gorgeous, even if their skin is still darker than most white women.
Winterfang
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I don't have a problem with this.
Stabby McSter
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I used it on my arms because I developed a really bad farmer's tan, and then gave up on using it because it was too much of a hassle. I just wear long-sleeves now. :X
Devolution
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Certain features are definitely due to euro-centric beauty. Skin tone can also be a class thing. Peasants and farm workers get a deeper tan than those who stay inside.
speculawyer
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Devolution
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What are you even talking about? There is no denying that western euro centric beauty is foisted upon women (and men). When little girls were given barbies who do you think was considered ugly? The darker and less blonde the barbie.
What's their position on anal farting in the sink?
This is my take, also it's really depressing seeing people go from beautiful and dark skinned to some weird shade and just wrong.
Amerie has also done more to herself =/.
This is a recent picture of Amerie and she looks gorgeous, if not better. Not sure what you're talking about.
What the fuck?!
Ya, and melanoma are just extreme cases for those that abuse tanning. No need to be willfully ignorant.
Tanning and bleaching your skin aren't even close to being on the same level. One causes problems through abuse of it and one causes irreparable damage on first use.
Oh man why did I look on Wikipedia
SuperAngelo64
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Barbie isn't really terribly relevant anymore. The Daryl Hannah look has been replaced with the Mila Kunis look.
You also didn't really refute what I was saying, you just made reference to a childrens toy and then acted as if that was argument enough.
Devolution
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And you just posted another pic far removed from how she used to look. So?
You're not really making a salient point here. Girls internalize beauty standards and they're eurocentric as all hell still.
that's a clean anus.
I'm not sure how anything you said don't constitute self-loathing. Someone's skin color really is a pretty inherently large part of their physical presence and if they're going to permanently change it because , how is it not self-loathing?
That's not what you said so stop trying to change your argument. You said skin bleaching causes permanent damage, as if tanning doesn't. Tanning can lead to something much worse and yes tanning once causes skin damage.
The tone of your post made it seem like she was ugly or weird looking now. /shrug
Winterfang
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It's so inviting.
FloppyDelux
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This is my take, also it's really depressing seeing people go from beautiful and dark skinned to some weird shade and just wrong.
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SuperAngelo64
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Girls will always internalize beauty standards, that's sort of how evolution has played out. It's a competitive world and until the day women stop trying to catch the eye of a mate they'll continue to do it (but considering that reproducing is the literal cornerstone of evolution, this trait would die off even if developed through selection and/or mutation).
What I'm saying is that I don't even think we know what 'eurocentric' is here. Our culture has more or less pawned off all beautiful traits as being something 'eurocentric', even if certain traits aren't generally innate to the Caucasoid branch.
So is someone losing weight because they want to look better self-loathing? You're basically arguing that change in general is self-hate and that improvement is not subjective.
Devolution
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Compared to how she used to look it sure is.
water_wendi
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I don't really see what makes her look worse. Granted, the picture you posted of her had her styled really poorly, and with heavy make up... so I would agree she looked worse compared to the other picture you posted. However, the more recent picture I posted has her in casual attire, looking fresh and beautiful. So is there any specific reason you think she looks worse?
Well the self-loathing and Eurocentrism are really two different aspects to this whole thing, though on this particular subject it does get thrown together a whole lot.
It has little to do with trying to be more attractive so much as it has to do with permanently changing one of your most prominent aesthetic features, not to mention a historically prominent cultural identifier and essentially treating it as a defect, like excess fat. Note how it nicely fits into a conversation about how another skin color is inherently better. Say it with me: "My excess fat is disgusting". Now again: "My skin color is disgusting".
Also, you're talking about "here", which I'm assuming is a western/European country. The overwhelming part of the whole eurocentric and self-loathing conversation is focused in on non-European countries where darker skin tones are the norm. In these places, the mass popularity of skin whitening as a concept is a much more prominent identifier of ethnic self-loathing.
Winterfang
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This is my take, also it's really depressing seeing people go from beautiful and dark skinned to some weird shade and just wrong.
Amerie has also done more to herself =/.
Both look vastly better on the second pictures.
Wow. I think I have to consider using those products just need to do more research first.This is my take, also it's really depressing seeing people go from beautiful and dark skinned to some weird shade and just wrong.
Amerie has also done more to herself =/.
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? isn't that what I said in that post? lol
and you're once again being willfully ignorant. skin damage =/ permanent skin damage. What you're talking about is through doing it over time and abusively. tanning once =/ permanent skin damage. Then again, you probably already know this.
Winterfang
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Yeah those pictures worked contrary to the intent since now I kind of want to try it. I wouldn't mind being two tones lighter.
Freezie KO
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Everybody is beautiful, unless you're fat. Then you're defective.
Excess fat. Nice try though, good thing we didn't see that coming from a mile away or anything.
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Sorta OT:
Skin bleaching causes permanent damage? That doesn't make me happy.
I was waiting until my son was older and going to let him decide if he wants to have his skin bleached (he has vitiligo), but now I am wary. Does medical skin bleaching do the same kind of damage as over the counter products?
Skin bleaching causes permanent damage? That doesn't make me happy.
I was waiting until my son was older and going to let him decide if he wants to have his skin bleached (he has vitiligo), but now I am wary. Does medical skin bleaching do the same kind of damage as over the counter products?
SuperAngelo64
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And I do agree with the first thing you've said here, it is definitely a problem. There are definitely features that are seen as 'ugly' by the western world that when within their own culture wouldn't be seen that way, and it's definitely a problem. I have a black friend and she's just now at the age of 26 stopped being ashamed of her 'kinky hair', and I think it's a great thing since it was her own choice.
What I was arguing is that when it comes to skin color, it may not be so 'black and white' (no pun intended), since skin adapts to environment and that even in cultures with no western influence fairer skin is desirable and also has connotations. It also changes with health, when my girlfriend, who is Filipina, came down with a very life-threatening illness and was hospitalized her skin tone became very, very dark. When she was much healthier her skin became a lot lighter. So there are really a lot of dimensions to what is considered 'good' or 'bad'.
Freezie KO
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Who defines what's in excess?
LQX
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One of the best singers and most successful artist in pop music, Beyonce Knowles, has often been accused of bleaching her skin to appear lighter. While we will never really know if it is true or not, I own all of her albums and have noticed some changes in her skin tone. It could be make up, or just her tanning... but I'll let you guys judge for yourself.
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I think she is gorgeous regardless, though.
Ugh, this post is so ridiculous. You're using album covers shot under different conditions(not to mention photo editing techniques) as gauge of her skin lightening? Ha, wow.
Winterfang
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Rolls, double chin, cankles, the works.
Actually tanning once = permanent skin damage. :lol
You said bleaching permanently "fucks up your skin" and I replied that tanning does as well.
Have you actually tried this?
MorisUkunRasik
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lol really?
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