VGLeaks: First look as Durango XDK (always connected, kinect required, must install)

SPE said:
I like your naive hope!

If the console is always online, you bet there will be a check to ensure that the physical game is only installed on one console. Each game disc will have a unique ID, which will then be tied to the first console that it games installed onto.

How else would MS/publishers block used games if they didn't do this?
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If such a move were implemented by publishers, it means the PS4 would also have to be online at all times too.

Publishers won't just do this on one platform. It's all or nothing.
 
I really hope this stuff isn't true these rumors are getting crazy now they need to just announce it soon but PS4 is looking really good about now.
 
SPE said:
I like your naive hope!

If the console is always online, you bet there will be a check to ensure that the physical game is only installed on one console. Each game disc will have a unique ID, which will then be tied to the first console that it games installed onto.

How else would MS/publishers block used games if they didn't do this?
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You're kidding, right? You guys act as if you've never installed games on a 360... If they really want to block used games, they are doing it in the way they did with online passes.
 
upJTboogie said:
And there it is, always online.
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I read that differently

Durango will implement different power states so that it can always be powered on, but will draw minimal electricity when not in use. The console will be ready instantly when users want to play, and will always maintain a network connection so that console software and games are always current. With this 'Always On, Always Connected' design, users will quickly and easily enjoy their connected entertainment experiences, with no waiting for the console to restart or install updates.
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I imagine that means:
  • It's going to be constantly downloading game updates/patches/OS features when 'off'
  • Always (powered) on (when plugged in) and always connected (if you have an internet connection) in order to do the first.

It's not going to be the clusterfuck of EA proportions.
 
This does not look like something that would be found in a Microsoft help file I call hoax. The language is too simplistic and it just looks like something written like really bad marketing material and not an official document for developers.


alot of the garbage there a dev wouldn't even care to know.
 
upJTboogie said:
Service outages, relying on someone esle's servers for gameplay.
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So if xbox live goes down in the middle of your fifa 14 game you think a message will come up and stop gameplay?

I doubt this would happen there will be software measures if this happens to enable you to continue your gameplay.
 
Ding-Ding said:
So you are saying that MS marketers are deliberately giving out the impression that online is mandatory, when its actually not required at all. In the meantime, they piss off half their customers...

Great marketing, alienate your fanbase
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Said nothing about online being "mandatory" in the OP though. Just said always online.
 
Required install...why?

It's not needed to stop used game sales. An online pass system would solve that. Unless once you install a game the disc 'breaks' itself so it can no longer be used. Would be a way to avoid the internet registration requirement.
 
Vestal said:
This does not look like something that would be found in a Microsoft help file I call hoax. The language is too simplistic and it just looks like something written like really bad marketing material and not an official document for developers.
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the language is really weird for sure.
 
akidnamededdy said:
Isn't PS4 supposed to always be online too? Background downloads of updates and patches and all that? How is that any different than this? Or am I missing something?
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PlayStation 4 does not require an internet connection

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-21-playstation-4-does-not-require-an-internet-connection

Sony's super-slick PS4 conference talked about a lot of functionality that will clearly benefit from an internet connection more than ever before - a processing module that handles downloads in the console's suspend state, for one thing - but when I talked to Sony Worldwide Studios boss Shuhei Yoshida after the PS4 conference he was adamant it was all customisable.

Does the PlayStation 4 always need to be connected to the internet, I asked?

"You can play offline, but you may want to keep it connected," he suggested. "The system has the low-power mode - I don't know the official term - that the main system is shut down but the subsystem is awake. Downloading or updating or you can wake it up using either the tablet, smartphone or PS Vita."

Are all of those things optional, though? For people who have broadband data limits, for example? They can customise everything?

"Oh yes, yes, you can go offline totally. Social is big for us, but we understand there are some people who are anti-social! So if you don't want to connect to anyone else, you can do that."
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Ding-Ding said:
So you are saying that MS marketers are deliberately giving out the impression that online is mandatory, when its actually not required at all. In the meantime, they piss off half their customers...

Great marketing, alienate your fanbase
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It won't alienate anyone, we're only seeing a small part of a much larger plan. Once it's fully revealed with the proper marketing, it will undoubtedly make a lot more sense.
 
SPE said:
But that's not what previous rumours, or this leaked Durango XDK help file states. I doubt very much that devs will have the option what gets installed and what doesn't. It seems pretty clear that the entire disc has to be installed. The physical BD might even just contain an installer, rather than playable code. As per an application disc, like Office.
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That would be just stupid, IMHO.
If they're going down the "play without disc"-route, it might make sense, but not otherwise, it would be just useless, pre-rendered cutscene can be streamed without problems today, let alone next-gen. This also helps hiding loading time...
 
NeoUltima said:
Required install...why?

It's not needed to stop used game sales. An online pass system would solve that. Unless once you install a game the disc 'breaks' itself so it can no longer be used. Would be a way to avoid the internet registration requirement.
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My guess is that it is so they can drop the bluray drive down the road (or offer a sku without one) and go digital only. I mean, they could do that anyway but I imagine it is simpler if games don't expect a drive in the first place and the disc is just a delivery mechanism
 
surly said:
You've used an Xbox 360, yeah? It could work exactly like that. You install the game, but it won't boot unless the disc is in the drive to prove that you own it.
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I'd be totally fine with that. I do this now anyways, to keep my 360 from sounding like a leafblower.
 
Krilekk said:
Of course they are. Can't fill those 8 GB with 25 MB/s from a disc.
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Is that really necessary? I mean, there has got to be ways to mitigate that problem without installing the whole freaking game onto the HDD.
 
So is what I'm getting here is, the documentation needs to confirm every feature, philosophy and policy of the next Xbox, if something is not stated, that would invalidate every rumor from credible sites such as EDGE and VGleaks, the same site that published this article? Or is it a case of no one can mention those other rumors in this thread?
 
RayMaker said:
So if xbox live goes down in the middle of your fifa 14 game you think a message will come up and stop gameplay?

I doubt this would happen there will be software measures if this happens to enable you to continue your gameplay.
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Pretty sure there will be a timer like Simscity where if you are not connected after x amount of time they will disconnect you. If the saves are store locally, should not be a big problem outside of the obvious "Well, I cannot play my video games anymore because Microsoft have closed the server for my solo game."
 
TurkishEmperor said:
No mention if disc needs to be in the tray or not. Lets say what you say is true, that would mean the disc is useless to whoever you give it to.
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Disc will not be in the tray. They've already been said to work on capability to suspend / resume your games from any state.

They want you to play multiple games without ever switching discs.

You'll also need to be connected for the intial install at the very least.
 
Juan29.zapata said:
This is almost a viral marketing for Person of Interest. It's actually scary. "Observing you with a thousand eyes and a million ears".
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The funny thing is, people are afraid of cameras, but that's not where the information is. Companies don't care about your image, your haircut and the color of your underwears when you're playing. The real precious information is one you're already happy to give them : your age, gender and location, your game/app/browsing history, the demos you tried, the people you play with, ...
 
I couldn't care less about the always on, requires kinect to function. Who cares, it's the same as requiring a controller to play a game. I'm guessing that MS will not have a mandatory internet connection, but will simply be enhanced with the connection active. Can you imagine how much of an epic fail it would be if you couldnt launch games without an active connection? MS isn't that suicidal.

The improved controller sounds good.

But this nonsense about will not use optical media to stream content really bothers me? WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU WASTE A DATA CONNECTION WHEN THE CONTENT IS RIGHT THERE TO INSTALL? WHY MICROSOFT?

Ah fuck it, I guess I'll just have to wait and see how it pans out, perhaps they'll make it work.
 
Reiko said:
What's your take on this?
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My take.

Will it require an always connected to the Internet state?
No.

Will it be able to have an always on connection to the network at your home for sharing media instantly as you move from one room to another. Say from your tv to your PC back to your tv. Will you be able to control downloads from your online dash and so forth like the 360 but with a better interface and include things like movies and so forth.
Yes.

It is actually somewhat of a big deal if it IS always on and always connected. In a good way, for the various reasons people mentioned with updates and so forth. But not required.

Kinect + the word required

Connected + the word always and + maintain are not the same as required. And as a technical document the expectation is that if its required it would state required...like the other required bits it mentions.
 
planetsmasherx1 said:
I read that differently



I imagine that means:
  • It's going to be constantly downloading game updates/patches/OS features when 'off'
  • Always (powered) on (when plugged in) and always connected (if you have an internet connection) in order to do the first.

It's not going to be the clusterfuck of EA proportions.
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Yep. Going exactly what they need to do. Do what Steam does. I don't remember the last time I noticed a game update. Thud is especially important for them with the apps.
 
Proelite said:
Mandatory install to disk is a system selling feature.

No more disc switching when I want to play another game is something that I wished I had already.
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If it's a system selling feature (and I totally agree that it's great) did it sell you on PC?
 
Ushae said:
I couldn't care less about the always on, requires kinect to function. Who cares, it's the same as requiring a controller to play a game.

The improved controller sounds good.

But this nonsense about will not use optical media to stream content really bothers me? WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU WASTE A DATA CONNECTION WHEN THE CONTENT IS RIGHT THERE TO INSTALL? WHY MICROSOFT?

Ah fuck it, I guess I'll just have to wait and see how it pans out, perhaps they'll make it work.
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It installs off the disc... It's described more in the kotaku article based on same docs: http://kotaku.com/5982986/we-know-all-about-the-next-xbox-from-someone-who-says-theyve-got-one
 
Proelite said:
Mandatory install to disk is a system selling feature.

No more disc switching when I want to play another game is something that I wished I had already.
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That is not said, you may still need to have the disc in like you do now with a full install on the 360. It will need a DRM method to make it like Steam where the disc is not required, which means a network connection and authentication with a server.
 
radioheadrule83 said:
That might be because you really know jack squat about it at the moment and have no clue about the games or services its going to offer.

If you've been an xbox fan for the last ten years, I'd wager you'll be interested in what they show.

I'm not talking about you here, but the assumptions and overreactions in this thread aren't even funny. Its just broad, uninformed righteous indignation and 'real gamer' histrionics.

I'm reading stuff like this:

You and I have very different ideas of dystopia!

How the fuck is kinect being included and required any different from having your Wii U sensor bar plugged in, or the PS4 and its included camera bar, which is required for tracking the new dual shock?

As for the always connected stuff - take a look at Windows Phone 7 and Windows 8 and you can imagine how that might be useful. I don't know how we've convinced ourselves that the best online service provider out of the three is suddenly only interested in online because they want to take ma physical games and stop me from reselling them! This talk reeks of unsubstantiated fear and FUD

Bring on the reveal!
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A few points.

1. The Wii U dosen't come with a sensor bar. The Wii did, but the Wii U does not.
2. There is no information about whether or not the PS4 comes it's camera bar. If I had to guess, I bet the "core" does not and the "pro" does.
3. While Xbox Live has been a very good service, it has had some pretty bad outages/problems especially during holidays when Call of Duty comes out. Just because they where better than Nintendo or Sony does not mean that everybody believes that they are equipped to take the next step.

The reason that people are freaking is that every Durango rumor (including this one) reinforces the negative "no used games" rumor. If Microsoft wanted to put that rumor to be they could. With a short press release, a Major Nelson tweet, or a controlled leak to a journalist. As long as Microsoft stays silent on this people are going to get uncomfortable and they have every right to.

Edit: I was wrong the US Wii U does come with a sensor bar.
 
Seriously am I the only one that sees this for what it is?? Its a hoax folks, if you have ever read a Microsoft SDK or anything related to it you would know this is not written by Microsoft
 
This console continues to look more and more like a complete disaster. I was flamed hard when I stated this before, but things are becoming more clear now....
 
NeoUltima said:
Required install...why?
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Just off the top of my head faster load times and less wear and tear on the optical drive. Which is good news to me as most of my console failures since the Ps1 days were do to the optical drives wearing out. PCs have been doing mandatory installs for a long time. In my opinion it is about time consoles got on board.
 
Man, I would really love to have just a list of my games and start them once installed/downloaded - just like on Steam or XBLA games.
edit: and idle states would be bonkers.
 
Proelite said:
Mandatory install to disk is a system selling feature.

No more disc switching when I want to play another game is something that I wished I had already.
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You'll need the disc in the system of course. That is unless there are no used games, then it just ties to account, which will always be online.

Only 2 routes afaik
 
Alx said:
The funny thing is, people are afraid of cameras, but that's not where the information is. Companies don't care about your image, your haircut and the color of your underwears when you're playing. The real precious information is one you're already happy to give them : your age, gender and location, your game/app/browsing history, the demos you tried, the people you play with, ...
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They don't care because they can't get that information. Tracking your face as you smile or frown at a commercial is going to be gold.

As for the install? It'll be exactly like steam. Game comes with a code and the disc saves you a download.
 
Proelite said:
Disc will not be in the tray. They've already been said to work on capability to suspend / resume your games from any state.

They want you to play multiple games without ever switching discs.

You'll also need to be connected for the intial install at the very least.
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You need the disc to play the game for verification. (Like this gen)
 
AgentP said:
That is not said, you may still need to have the disc in like you do now with a full install on the 360. It will need a DRM method to make it like Steam where the disc is not required, which means a network connection and authentication with a server.
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Nope.

I am 100% you don't need the disc in the tray.
You need network connection to install the game at the very least.
 
Thank you based Nintendo and Sony for not making your consoles always online with required controller-free bullshit along with pay to play online filled to the brim with ads

 
Proelite said:
Disc will not be in the tray. They've already been said to work on capability to suspend / resume your games from any state.

They want you to play multiple games without ever switching discs.

You'll also need to be connected for the intial install at the very least.
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Implies licensing. Can said licenses be deactivated so the game in question can be sold on? That's the big question.
 
sangreal said:
My guess is that it is so they can drop the bluray drive down the road (or offer a sku without one) and go digital only. I mean, they could do that anyway but I imagine it is simpler if games don't expect a drive in the first place and the disc is just a delivery mechanism
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I expect a digital only SKU right there at launch.
 
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