Heh. Probably more than the Playstation 4 reveal.
VGLeaks: First look as Durango XDK (always connected, kinect required, must install)
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Heh. Probably more than the Playstation 4 reveal.
I really don't understand why some people are going "mandatory installs to HDD? Fuck that, I'm out! No more XBOX for me!!!!!"
How in hell is that a negative? I just don't see it. :-/
I always install the games I'm playing the most on my 360 and would love to do it on my other systems as well if I had the option. The only negative right now is that I still need to insert the DVD to play of the HDD.
If I didn't have to do that anymore, I'd be even happier.
And yeah, I'm reading "always on" as in WiiConect24 right now, unless MS comes out and explains it's an always on DRM system, which is a very good possibility.
Still. Not jumping to conclusions like a lot of others here.
Heck I don't even know if I'd want the new system as we haven't seen a single game yet. :-/
How in hell is that a negative? I just don't see it. :-/
I always install the games I'm playing the most on my 360 and would love to do it on my other systems as well if I had the option. The only negative right now is that I still need to insert the DVD to play of the HDD.
If I didn't have to do that anymore, I'd be even happier.
And yeah, I'm reading "always on" as in WiiConect24 right now, unless MS comes out and explains it's an always on DRM system, which is a very good possibility.
Still. Not jumping to conclusions like a lot of others here.
Heck I don't even know if I'd want the new system as we haven't seen a single game yet. :-/
digoutyoursoul
Member
I think people are getting fed up of "I know what you don't" stuff in all honesty but you're right, I can't wait either, simply because it will be official and not whispers and hints.
JonathanPower
Member
In short, anyone saw X360 integration into VS2012 will feel at home.
Article @ http://www.vgleaks.com/durango-xdk/
The most interesting part:
- Always on, Always connected
- Low powered mode
- Kinect sold with every console, wider FOV, no motors, better tracking
- Kinect is required to be plugged in
- Low latency controller with "improved ergonomics", simplified interaction with console OS
- Bluray drive
- All games must be installed on HDD [you can start playing few secs after installation starts], game data streaming from optical disc not supported
- Only digital audio out
- Always on, Always connected, Always recorded
Probably what they are already doing now with the PS3, like online passes... Just universal.
It almost seems like MS is doing this on purpose to set the bar low, knowing that info would get leaked.
Go on....
Syphon Filter
Member
I think you guys are misinterpreting what always on is. They mean if your system is connected then it can update for you. I don't think it means always on for the games to work.
It limits user options. No further explanation needed.
Possibly. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see publishers take online passes to the next level.
OverHeat
« generous god »
Well it depend on what aspect of the hardware people focus on.
You were responding to this which was talking about Durango:
In a Durango thread where people are discussing Durango blocking used games. I was making an observation based on your comment.
Proelite
Member
You get to play the game within seconds of the installation process. Afterwards you can resume and suspend multiple games from your HDD.
Sony needs to be really worried if they don't offer the same capability. If on PS4 you have to switch game discs and you don't on Durango, it's a big advantage for MS in terms of user experience.
The user was, I wasn't. I was answering the question in relation to the PS4.
JonathanPower
Member
Yoshida already confirmed no block for used games on PS4.
PS4 will edge out in hardware, Durango OS and services will edge out PS4.
Karak
Member
It would solidly put MS into the used game business.
This is going nowhere. Can we discuss the topic at hand please?
Haha I think MS would much rather sell u a "new" copy.
No no no no no... You don't understand. Its Microsoft so it has to be AWFUL. There is no other explanation.
I really want something like that on PS4 after thinking about it. At least let me do optional installs like on the 360.
I also don't understand why people don't think you'll be able to delete and reinstall freely.
Iced_Eagle
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http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/02/playstation-4-used-games/
Essentially, Sony has said that you will be able to play used games. As for the how, it seems like it's less certain since Sony isn't detailing that. Based on the way Sony has responded to inquiries about it, more than likely it's not going to be a simple matter of selling your disc and it will just work for that person who bought the used disc. There will likely have to be some form of activation code, or deactivating the license on your account so it can be used again.
And actually, as I'm thinking about that, I'm wondering if the PS4 will allow you to loan games to your friends? It sounds like when you want to sell your PS4 game, you will have to deactivate the license associated with the disc from your account, so it can be used again (places like Gamestop would probably be able to do that for you). But what if you didn't want to sell your game, but just wanted to loan it to a friend? That means the license is still on your account, and the disc won't work on another persons console. Does anyone know if Sony has confirmed being able to loan PS4 games to friends?
So Sony suddenly drops online passes which Sony is still using with the PS3? I'll believe it when I see it.
Glorified G
Member
I can't wait to the hardware reveal so some people can stop pretending they have any inside information.
Karak
Member
Ya and since things like Onlive and so forth already do that, though you aren't installing it but a buffer. No issue for a console to do it.
Why would you need to be connected to the internet to install a game from the Blu-Ray disc to the hard drive?
He confirmed no used game feature built into the hardware. That still doesn't stop publishers enacting a no used games pass system though.
By all means.
shinra-bansho
Member
I actually don't care that much about the potential "No used games" side; but always online is definitely unappealing. Also, more Kinect, bleh - it's interesting in general, but sucks for traditional games, and the best use of it is probably as a microphone.
I'm curious how big the HDD's are going to be in Durango then.
They said they'll allow online passes but won't do anything to lock a game directly to a unit.
CrunchyFrog
Member
The ironing is delicious
What is just as damning is MANDATORY game installs. Unless this thing packs a 250GB HDD minimum with even the basic system it's gone beyond a laughably poor purchase, IMO. At least it mentions the possibility of starting the game off soon after installation starts (though I'll remain skeptical as to how well that actually pans out in practice). Beyond any of this though is the fact that live still exists and what's free on just about any other platform out there is behind a paywall on MS's systems because of reasons.
That's an easy answer. Basically "because I say so, end of discussion."
My take: no it doesn't.
You insert a disc, it instals a game while you boot it up and start playing.
Loading times are reduced, laser wear is reduced and with a little luck you don't have to swap discs all the time to play something else.
The only real negative I'm seeing is the forced Kinect integration and how deep they seem to want to imbed it into the system.
That's a major turn-off. Never was interested in that wonky ass motion wannabe, and I certainly am not looking forward to new games forcing this upon us.
Boss Man
Member
Do you know something?
Well they do have the thing where you immediately start playing when a game begins downloading to your HDD. Although, I have a gut feeling that Sony pulled a quick one on MS with their early reveal and showed a bunch of features that MS has been working on to steal their thunder. Maybe those features hardly even work right now. I have no idea, and that's totally coming out of my ass but it's just a feeling.
What would happen on this forum if MS did both?
JonathanPower
Member
You don't really to install the whole content of the disc to speed up loading times, just some portion of the data. The first Xbox already did that, all games installed automatically some data to the HDD. They changed this with the Xbox360 because the HDD was standard.
digoutyoursoul
Member
It's possible however, with the competition being more important, I doubt Sony is completely in the dark with what MS is doing
Proelite
Member
No online validation of your install means you can buy a copy of the game and all your friends now have it on their HDD to play with.
I believe PC games used to be like that originally.
Uno Venova
Banned
Is that the reason you're going with for why people are predicting mandatory online in the next Xbox?
Online passes are here to stay. He is speaking about blocking a used disc outright.
Boss Man
Member
Because they want to make sure you didn't buy it used or are borrowing it from someone else.
- Always on, Always connected, Always recorded
But what if I don't want to go to funny junk to view this image?
For the bulk of negative posts here? Yeah.
For the few intelligent negative posts.. Nope.
It's why you have to have the disk in the 360 to play a game that you installed to the hard drive.
Meltdowns galore! You can be sure of that.
Not to mention a return to: it's the games that count, nothing else. ;P
Same thing as usual
Paywall
Kinect
Bender Gif
I'm probably going to pick up a PS4 if I do the console route next gen but I seriously hope to hell MS spanks the shit out of Sony for the glorious reading to be had
The Wii-U is the first console I have not purchased in over a decade...chances are I will cave buy a Durango also
Rhazer Fusion
Member
I always install my games also, but some people just want to put in the game an play without waiting for installation and they might not want to take up the space on their hard drives. The always online, mandatory Kinect and anti-used games rumors bother me much more than that.
Ken Masters
Banned
If all games must be installed and the games are all going to be on blu-ray discs the game sizes are going to be HUGE.
Is MS going to ship a 1TB hard drive with this sucker?
Is MS going to ship a 1TB hard drive with this sucker?
JonathanPower
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AdventureRacing
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Sorry log but it's required.
Are you seriously telling me you're going to buy a PS4 and not leave it connected to the internet? All is fake outrage is so obvious. PS4 has the same always on/always connected capabilities.....but you're not going to use it. Sure.