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[Devolution]

Did you kill yourself ever?

I was taught how to be responsible with it. Plus this was before the advent of texting.

 

[Bombadil]

At least she didn't die a virgin.

 

[marrec]

I was taught how to be responsible with it. Plus this was before the advent of texting.

I think kids can use phones responsibly in this day and age, it just takes that much more vigilance and patience on the parents part.

 

[YuriLowell]

When I have a kid they are never going to have a phone. I grew up without one until I was 18, you will live.

 

[zomaha]

going out and partying/having sex at 12, 13 years old tells me she probably had some emotional issues stemming from the divorce or some other family problem

 

[paully]

I had a cellphone at 12. Did stuff after school, made it easy to call the parents when I needed to be picked up. It was huge though.

Congratulations.

 

[Rubbish King]

When I have a kid they are never going to have a phone. I grew up without one until I was 18, you will live.

GOOD LUCK WITH THAT

 

[Devolution]

Congratulations.

Nice snark. Anyway it was meant to be a reply to cellphone too young for her and all kinds of silly sentiments. Teach kids responsibility.

 

[marrec]

GOOD LUCK WITH THAT

So their kid will just use someone else's phone, not trust their parents, and there will be no oversight on how that kid uses someone else's phone or opportunities for teaching them how to use a phone responsibly.

Then! When they get a phone at 18, they'll have no idea how to pay for it or replace it or take care of it.

Sounds like a great plan.

 

[squidyj]

When I have a kid they are never going to have a phone. I grew up without one until I was 18, you will live.

are they also going to have to milk a cow and use a washboard?

 

[paully]

Nice snark. Anyway it was meant to be a reply to cellphone too young for her and all kinds of silly sentiments. Teach kids responsibility.

I know, I just couldn't resist.

 

[GJS]

going out and partying/having sex at 12, 13 years old tells me she probably had some emotional issues stemming from the divorce or some other family problem

Going out, drinking in the streets and then having underage sex. All common in the UK.

At that age you have just started secondary school, probably just started getting more independent walking to school and home from school by yourself, going out with friends after school etc. Then you start hanging around with some of the older kids, then so on and so on.

 

[ClassyPenguin]

are they also going to have to milk a cow and use a washboard?

They're going to have to walk 18 miles in the snow uphill like I never did.

 

[marrec]

Nice snark. Anyway it was meant to be a reply to cellphone too young for her and all kinds of silly sentiments. Teach kids responsibility.

Which is why I wanted to point out that you had not killed yourself despite having a phone at 12.

Though, hard to sext on a phone like that I guess.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

So their kid will just use someone else's phone, not trust their parents, and there will be no oversight on how that kid uses someone else's phone or opportunities for teaching them how to use a phone responsibly.

Then! When they get a phone at 18, they'll have no idea how to pay for it or replace it or take care of it.

Sounds like a great plan.

It's a good thing all children are exactly the same so we can reasonably draw conclusions for people we have never met and have no reason to suspect we ever will.

 

[Blasty]

going out and partying/having sex at 12, 13 years old tells me she probably had some emotional issues stemming from the divorce or some other family problem

Not necessarily.

 

[Rubbish King]

Going out, drinking in the streets and then having underage sex. All common in the UK.

At that age you have just started secondary school, probably just started getting more independent walking to school and home from school by yourself, going out with friends after school etc. Then you start hanging around with some of the older kids, then so on and so on.

HEY MAN THAT'S OFFENSIVE

Spoiler

It's also true

 

[Nekofrog]

Realistically though, what could be THAT bad

To an emotionally immature teenaged girl?

Everything.

 

[marrec]

It's a good thing all children are exactly the same so we can reasonably draw conclusions for people we have never met and have no reason to suspect we ever will.

Ya, that is a good thing. Otherwise parenting would be difficult.

 

[R3TRO]

She was cute, but shit are phones that serious.

 

[Sanky Panky]

Text block, data block, etc. etc.

And no camera, with pre-paid minutes. I'll let the texts in, but they will be randomly checked.

Either way, I tend to put the blame on the parents on these cases.

 

[GungHo]

To an emotionally immature teenaged girl?

Everything.

Yeah, it's their whole life. That's why that cyberbullying shit is so insidious.

 

[Kallor]

She was 12 and already having sex? Hanging yourself over a phone? The fuck is going on.

 

[Syph Medwes]

Like dis thread if u cry evertim

oh god

 

[Devolution]

Which is why I wanted to point out that you had not killed yourself despite having a phone at 12.

Though, hard to sext on a phone like that I guess.

Quite difficult. But I also had one when I had a bf. Kept it on AIM though. If I used the phone to talk I did it when minutes were unlimited after 7pm. At the same time my parents weren't horribly restrictive and I felt like I could come to them about anything. Never really had too though. I have a feeling if the first thing she did was try to kill herself then their relationship was very strained. Also is it just me or does it sound like there is something else to this story? Why would she be so adamant about them checking her phone for abusive texts?

 

[marrec]

Quite difficult. But I also had one when I had a bf. Kept it on AIM though. If I used the phone to talk I did it when minutes were unlimited after 7pm. At the same time my parents weren't horribly restrictive and I felt like I could come to them about anything. Never really had too though. I have a feeling if the first thing she did was try to kill herself then their relationship was very strained. Also is it just me or does it sound like there is something else to this story? Why would she be so adamant about them checking her phone for abusive texts?

Sounds like she probably didn't have a great relationship with her parents in the first place. Even teenagers have to have a reason to attempt suicide and often it's usually the same one adults have, they see no way out of their situation besides the inevitable. Whether their relationship was strained because of the divorce or poor parenting or maybe some mental illness... who knows.

 

[akira28]

She began to wear makeup, go out at night and was having sex when she was just 12 years old? Story is beginning to make a bit more sense now, I can understand why her father took the phone off her to look at the messages. This is one of those examples that make me question whether good parenting is a matter of skill or just luck

My parents just took the door off the hinges of my sister's door when she started getting super dramatic and acting out. It...sort of worked...but not really. Kids need more than what they're getting from most parents.

 

[Kinyou]

Fuck this is so messed up.

 

[GJS]

Quite difficult. But I also had one when I had a bf. Kept it on AIM though. If I used the phone to talk I did it when minutes were unlimited after 7pm. At the same time my parents weren't horribly restrictive and I felt like I could come to them about anything. Never really had too though. I have a feeling if the first thing she did was try to kill herself then their relationship was very strained. Also is it just me or does it sound like there is something else to this story? Why would she be so adamant about them checking her phone for abusive texts?

History of bullying, overdose of paracetamol in Nov 2011 resulting in hospitalisation, rumours of images of her circulating around school, accusation of abuse to her by her boyfriend and police confiscating her phone to prevent him contacting her.

It was only then after the police returned the phone and the parents were going to give it back to her that she didn't want them to be involved with it, the police would have already seen everything that was on it and would likely have notified the parents.

 

[akira28]

Oh she tried to OD on Tylenol in 2011? Yeah parents should have take that door off the hinges...

 

[SnakeswithLasers]

I had a cellphone at 12. Did stuff after school, made it easy to call the parents when I needed to be picked up. It was huge though.

Cellphones didn't exist for children when I was 12. =|

 

[timetokill]

Based on the very limited info we have, I feel bad for the parents

 

[spiderman123]

Poor girl.

 

[Omegasquash]

This is something my wife and I have talked about lots...responsible cell phone use. Our understanding (knowing that there's at least 6 to 7 years before our oldest will have a cell) is that we'll tell them that we're going to:

1) Get text logs monthly, so don't put anything in there you wouldn't want us seeing.
2) Not give you the account password, so no downloading apps without our knowledge.

We'll just have to be mindful is all. It'll be difficult, but hopefully my kids don't make any boneheaded mistakes. Just got to educate them and make them value their reputation and identity enough to not do anything stupid.

 

[Devolution]

History of bullying, overdose of paracetamol in Nov 2011 resulting in hospitalisation, rumours of images of her circulating around school, accusation of abuse to her by her boyfriend and police confiscating her phone to prevent him contacting her.

It was only then after the police returned the phone and the parents were going to give it back to her that she didn't want them to be involved with it, the police would have already seen everything that was on it and would likely have notified the parents.

Thanks for the details. So awful =/.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Holy shot she does not look 14. Sleeping with boyfriend at the age of 13 da fuq is dis shit.

I heard a year 7 girl today talk to her friends about how she might be pregnant. Year 7. What is our society turning into.

 

[3N16MA]

Holy shot she does not look 14. Sleeping with boyfriend at the age of 13 da fuq is dis shit.

I heard a year 7 girl today talk to her friends about how she might be pregnant. Year 7. What is our society turning into.

7? How did you hear this?

 

[GJS]

7? How did you hear this?

Year 7 is age 11 - 12. Psycho_mantis could still be in secondary school, could be in Sixth form at the same school, or could be a teacher or assistant.

 

[Takuan]

Two things that jump out at me that may or may not be relevant to the discussion:

1. Her parents were both teens when they had her

2. Her parents have since divorced

There's probably something to be said of an unstable household and the psychological effect it could have on a child.

 

[3N16MA]

Year 7 is age 11 - 12.

Gotcha.

 

[EdibleExplosives]

Did nobody on the first page read the article or was it just recently added to the OP? It's pretty obvious she's mentally ill in some way, she attempted suicide before this occasion.

 

[Trey]

I empathize with the parents and the family. A sad affair all around.

 

[Thorakai]

Is there a way to completely lock a phone from using text messages? I understand how useful it is to be able to call your child anywhere, but how much benefit does texting give to young kids? It seems to remove control from parents trying to look out for the best interest of their child and give an additional distraction for students in class.

 

[GJS]

Did nobody on the first page read the article or was it just recently added to the OP? It's pretty obvious she's mentally ill in some way, she attempted suicide before this occasion.

There was a daily mail link at first which contained most of the details, the link there now also contains the same details. I think a lot of people are just going off of the short quote in the OP.

Is there a way to completely lock a phone from using text messages? I understand how useful it is to be able to call your child anywhere, but how much benefit does texting give to young kids? It seems to remove control from parents trying to look out for the best interest of their child and give an additional distraction for students in class.

My sisters (9 and 11) use their phones to text my parents and my parents text them, they are rarely used for calls. You should educate your children not restrict them unnecessarily tbh.

Also if it isn't text messages then they are on their ipods using imessage and face time with their school friends, and if its not that then they are online talking to friends on moshi monsters or some shit. In fact they even play minecraft on internet servers whilst talking to their friends now.

 

[akira28]

There was a girl in our 7th grade class who took too many Tylenol...looking back, I feel really bad for her. But at the time, it was something so far outside of the realm, empathy didn't enter in to it. There were rumours about her too, we never even thought about it, whether they were true or not, it didn't even matter. It was "interesting" and we wanted them to be true.

 

[Rubbish King]

Holy shot she does not look 14. Sleeping with boyfriend at the age of 13 da fuq is dis shit.

I heard a year 7 girl today talk to her friends about how she might be pregnant. Year 7. What is our society turning into.

I remember my mates little brother (12) walking in on us having a chong and we shit ourselves only to see him pull out a bag of weed, me mate didnt give a fuck but i was shocked

I started doing this stuff around 14 but 12?! fuck that's mad

 

[adamsappel]

Edit: wait, she died 6 days later from a hanging, which was more than likely strangulation rather than the snapping of the neck? Doesn't that sound REALLY odd?

I'd imagine that everyone who hangs themselves dies of strangulation. You need a certain drop height and proper noose tying and placement to actually break your neck.


My daughter is 10 and she has my old iPhone 4. It's proven pretty beneficial for her to have one even at that young age.

 

[Devolution]

I'd imagine that everyone who hangs themselves dies of strangulation. You need a certain drop height and proper noose tying and placement to actually break your neck.


My daughter is 10 and she has my old iPhone 4. It's proven pretty beneficial for her to have one even at that young age.

You're obviously a terrible parent.

Spoiler

joking

 

[IdreamofHIME]

My theory is she wanted to teach her parents a lesson and act the drama queen by pretending to do this but fucked up and actually hanged herself. No way does a person intentionally kill them self after an hour and a half of no phone.

What I was thinking too, especially as she did it with a scarf. None of it sounds planned, just a teen trying to punish her parents and it going horribly wrong.

 

[Insane Metal]

Jade’s mother, Natalie Ingoe, 32, told the hearing that her daughter, who had done well at school, started wearing make-up and wanting to go out at night around the age of 12 or 13.
‘I suppose the normal teenage things,’ she added.

Seriously? Is that normal in the US?