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Top-level COD competitions look like what we expect
- Thread starter Nibel
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What does beating someone at CoD have to do with basic decorum? If you act like a 12 year old who just learned how to say 'fuck' and 'prick' then you will be treated as such.
Haunted
Member
:lol
You'll notice that most people will make a subtle difference between competitive games and esports. As far as FPS go, Quake and CS have earned the moniker, CoD still has a ways to go (imo, obviously).
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Have you been in a LoL match? I have played around 10 games and there has always been immaturity.
Lol @ "what are you trying to say".
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I have been sort of poking at that point. Put some real thought and effort into something which may actually enrich your life, not games. Have fun with games but don't let that change or cause you to behave like 5 year olds.
computers putin'
Member
I agree, but I wasn't trying to compare Esports to actual sports leagues and I REALLY didn't have football in mind when I made that point because sports at that level is on a whole other level of stress and was on the extreme end of examples I was thinking of. I was thinking of a more moderate example where you get trash talking, along the lines of a competitive pick up game of basketball at your local YMCA lol. I can see why you were getting indignant about my response, and you're point still applies some, but believe me I agree with you.
I feel like I'm getting away from my base point, you put somebody in a situation that is at least somewhat stressful, with emotions running high, and it elicits a base reaction; with some of that stress and emotion being ascribed by the players themselves, just depends on how serious they take it. Some people can repress it, some let loose with it, and some of those that do get punished for it; It depends on the environment they are in, and if these players aren't very professional it shouldn't be totally unexpected, because for one they are teenagers before they are professional gamers, and two, it's just as much up the league to enforce a professional atmosphere as its up to the players.
to reiterate, I think it's human instinct to become aggressive and trash talk in these typ of situation, but since we are logical creatures we can circumvent any base instinct we may have, if we choose to. So I can't look down on these players for doing it, even if the situation is petty to me, because obviously they care and most things only mean as much as we choose to make them mean.
If at any point this came of as incoherent, i apologize, I haven't slept and I don't feel like proof reading.
I don't watch tournaments to see personalities. I watch tournaments to see skilled play by skilled players. I don't see why I should care about the personalities of the people playing.
This is not about being legitimized. If you are in a public setting, behave yourself. If you organize a tournament, see that the competitors respect basic courtesy. This is just a shitty way to behave, regardless of setting.
basic sportsmanship should be respedted/enforced at any level of play.
SneakyStephan
Banned
By dota I meant all moba likes
Neuromancer
Member
Why on earth don't they have any kind of behavior or sportsmanship rules in place? This is insane, literally insane.
I have seen people talk trash plenty on the sports field however it never gets crazy like that.
That's good for you, but a lot of people are drawn to sports of any type not just for the skilled play but also for the personalities behind the skilled players. If those personalities are rotten to the core then it drives away viewers who would otherwise be drawn in by the drama associated with the people BEHIND the guns.
In other words, having people act like idiots is holding e-sports back.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
have you ever been in a sports event??
COD will never become truly competitive because Activision releases a new game each year. There's no time for the developers to refine the gameplay and maps.
Neuromancer
Member
BattleMonkey
Member
Yea these leagues want to create some kind of sports atmosphere, but they lack simple things like sportsmanship and rules against vulgarity. Instead it will always looked down on because of stuff like this.
Yes? While unsportsman like conduct happens, many sports have rules and anyone saying the stuff and acting up like these kids would get fined or ejected. Tossing tantrums like that will usually have an umpire toss you out, and what you say can get you fined afterwards which we don't see as it happens behind the scenes
HueyFreeman
Banned
Sadness.
Sociologically I guess it's like combining the player and the super fan into one person.
I really feel like COD needs to change it's image. Diminishing review scores likely signal the onset of diminishing sales. It also just kind of paints the medium in a pretty negative light.
Sociologically I guess it's like combining the player and the super fan into one person.
I really feel like COD needs to change it's image. Diminishing review scores likely signal the onset of diminishing sales. It also just kind of paints the medium in a pretty negative light.
Even this, it depends on where you live. In many places in the US if you talk trash to the wrong person in a pickup game you might end up lying face down on the pavement. There are real world consequences to acting like an ass.
Playing a video game against someone who is acting like that is just not fun. There are no consequences for poor behavior.
I'm getting pretty tired of the dota has the worst community stereotype. Every single game I've played online has had assholes playing them too.
Just yesterday I was kicked from a cs go match because I didn't listen to this guys direction one round.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
I totally agree with you that the organizers are the ones who should be regulating their behavior. Everyone loses their head from time to time and lose their shit. But the is issue is that there IS no regulation, so these people get to act whatever way they want.
And while I understand that they are teenagers they are teenagers who are supposed to be representative of something professional and they should try their best to
act accordingly. If they can't then maybe they shouldn't be allowed to be put into the competition. If they don't have the level of maturity they should have in a situation like this I don't think they should be a part of it. Because all it is is damaging to the general opinion of video game competition.
A lot of these tournaments have the players on mic or at least their yelling is audible. Their personality is essentially forced upon me if I'm watching the feed and don't have it on mute.
Most of the time the people I see are perfectly reasonable when on mic, but I shouldn't have to deal with the shit I mute online just because I want to watch some high level play. Either make it to where I don't have to hear their bullshit or ban them until they can act reasonably.
MikeE21286
Member
lol, whoa...
I think I spotted one of them wearing the CoD glasses
I think I spotted one of them wearing the CoD glasses
computers putin'
Member
If your're comparing it to online sure, but I'm specifically talking about these live, face to face events. ain't nothing stopping these kids from flailing and scratching each other like the warriors they are after the event is over.
BattleMonkey
Member
DOTA and such is probably the worst I've ever seen, many other have the same experience, what can you do about it? Folks are used to dealing with PUG play in games and a noobie often will just be ignored. In the smaller game environments of stuff like MOBAs and it's highly competetive culture, those noobs face far more upfront anger. It's not the same as playing a FPS with a bunch of other players who will pretty much take over the game while the sucky player has little impact. In a MOBA the sucky player gets alot more attention put on them as their actions are more impactful.
Professor Renegade
Banned
Kind of defeats the concept of "professional"
Neuromancer
Member
This is why I play against bots.
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Anyone else reminded of the apes at the beginning of 2001: A Space Odyssey?
HueyFreeman
Banned
That seems rather extreme if serious. What quality games don't allow you to mute players (or disable voice chat completely) ?
You're a despicable robot with no sportsmanship.
Obviously I'm talking about my own experiences here but in the last couple mm matches of cs go I've played in the bottom player has been voted out frequently of the losing team and some people flat out refuse to play. But that doesn't mean I don't go around saying the whole cs go community is shit.
The dota community can go both ways. You can either have the best teammate helping you out with items and general game knowledge or someone just bashing you the whole game. In an fps its usually just bashing other players the whole game and no strategy what so ever.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
haha
Neuromancer
Member
It's civilized at most "professional tourneys" for most games (even COD). Especially if sponsor money is involved.
I went to EGL last year to take part in a mortal kombat tournament, didn't see any of this kind of stupid behaviour from the FGC, they're much nicer guys, really friendly.
So this isn't really an example of esports if you ask, haven't bothered reading after the first page though so this has probably already been said, needs to be said still.
So this isn't really an example of esports if you ask, haven't bothered reading after the first page though so this has probably already been said, needs to be said still.
I see what you're saying... but there's usually what gets said and what happens during/after a sporting event which is usually conveyed through a physical act that promotes sportsmanship.
Sure, during an American football game there is all kinds of trash talk between teams. However, if someone gets hurt the other team takes a knee to show respect. Or, you help someone from the other team up after a big pile up. There are things like that which go along with the shit talking. It's hard to convey the same thing in an eSport though short of a handshake after the game.
Haven't there been multiple threads about how the FGC is homophobic and misogynistic? I remember one thread about a Video where everyone was laughing at some dude that started crying because people were ragging on him so hard.
And everyone on GAF pretty much agreed that if you're in the FGC then you need to have a thick skin.
I don't know then, my experience of I guess atleast UK members of the FGC is that they're really friendly guys.
Hot Coldman
Banned
This is hilarious. Player footage makes this so much better.
IISANDERII
Member
$1 million for a tournament of 128 players? Enough to rage over for sure.
Haunted
Member
The FCG has its bad apples, too.
But yes, generally this kind of embarrassing behaviour is not indicative of the premier esports tournaments, whether it's Dreamhack, GSL/Proleague, The International, MLG or Evo/Road to Evo events.
The more I think about it, the more it reflects badly on not only the players and their scene/community, but most directly on the tournament organisers. At some point you just have to step in and stop this disrespectful behaviour.